Wolverine vs Top Martial Artists

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Sorry. But I explained my theory as to why Wolverine's body isn't reduced to paste when he gets smacked by Hulk a long time ago:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=21541&pagenumber=32

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Here is why Adamantium is different than Vibranium. Vibranium absorbs impact, Adamantium resists it. If anything by virtue of their incredible durability, Wolverine's bone would absorb less impact then a normal human's since their is no give in them what so ever.

Originally posted by Starscream M
no it wouldn't

basically imagine having a pillar slam into your big toe, your big toe is gone, but no organ of yours would be affected in the slightest

stop making up sh1t

What?

Imagine having a missile hit you in the foot. Now tell me what sort of condition your internal organs are in?

Hulk can lift thousands of tons. The force he would create just be swinging his arms would be enough to kill a normal human. Physics for the win? Stay in school.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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Here is why Adamantium is different than Vibranium. Vibranium absorbs impact, Adamantium resists it. If anything by virtue of their incredible durability, Wolverine's bone would absorb less impact then a normal human's since their is no give in them what so ever.

Fact is, Wolverine's actual bones have been snapped by people far lower than class 100. Just because he gets smacked by class 100's, doesn't mean his flesh and durability is all of a sudden class 100. Captain America and Spiderman have been smacked by class 100's as well. Batman too. Heck, Daredevil also. This narrow logic doesn't work simply because it's applied to Wolverine.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Sorry, but the harder a metal is, the more force it absorbs. If I punched a copper plated hand, the hand would be crushed. If I punched a steel plated hand, my hand would be crushed. Having less malleability means absolutely nothing.

Fact is, Wolverine's actual bones have been snapped by people far lower than class 100. Just because he gets smacked by class 100's, doesn't mean his flesh and durability is all of a sudden class 100. Captain America and Spiderman have been smacked by class 100's as well. Batman too. Heck, Daredevil also. This narrow logic doesn't work simply because it's applied to Wolverine.

Does it absorb the force or does it shunt it? Adamantium is so dense and the molecules are so title back that there isn't any room for force to be absorbed.

The difference is that Wolverine takes damage form class 100's by nature of his abilities, the other's do it by the nature of the plot. Captain America, Batman and Spider-man never brag or boost about taking blows from Superman, or the Hulk, and their team mates never bring it up because it is nonsensical and shouldn't happen. Wolverine on the other hand has done more then simply be hit by class 100s. He has been knocked into orbit. He has been punched across state lines. He has been sent flying literally miles. And the fact that he has is brought up all the time because he is supposed to be able to do it. If you can't see the difference between what Batman getting punched by a class 100, and Wolverine doing like wise then you are purposely ignoring what is actually happening in the comics you read.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Does it absorb the force or does it shunt it? Adamantium is so dense and the molecules are so title back that there isn't any room for force to be absorbed.

The difference is that Wolverine takes damage form class 100's by nature of his abilities, the other's do it by the nature of the plot. Captain America, Batman and Spider-man never brag or boost about taking blows from Superman, or the Hulk, and their team mates never bring it up because it is nonsensical and shouldn't happen. Wolverine on the other hand has done more then simply be hit by class 100s. He has been knocked into orbit. He has been punched across state lines. He has been sent flying literally miles. And the fact that he has is brought up all the time because he is supposed to be able to do it. If you can't see the difference between what Batman getting punched by a class 100, and Wolverine doing like wise then you are purposely ignoring what is actually happening in the comics you read.

Simple question: "Do you think that Wolverine's muscle density is a greater factor than his adamantium skeleton and healing factor when taking those class 100 hits?"

Easy question. Yes or no answer. If you please.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wolverine gets punched into orbit because he can take it by virtue of his adamantium skeleton and his healing factor. Captain America does not have an adamanitum skeleton or a healing factor. I'm not ignoring anything.

Simple question: "Do you think that Wolverine's muscle density is a greater factor than his adamantium skeleton and healing factor when taking those class 100 hits?"

Easy question. Yes or no answer. If you please.

I'm confused. Weren't you just arguing that Wolverine taking those punches was bullshit in the same vein as Cap or Batman doing it? If not, why even bring them up...

No. I don't think either plays a significant role.

^ Mew? I don't think I've ever argued that Wolverine or Captain America or Spiderman couldn't take a punch from Hulk.

And you didn't answer my question directly, "Do you think that Wolverine's muscle density is a greater factor than his adamantium skeleton and healing factor when taking those class 100 hits?"

I'm not going to put words into your mouth. I'm done doing that thorughout these sorts of debates. Answer the question. Yes or no.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Mew? I don't think I've ever argued that Wolverine or Captain America or Spiderman couldn't take a punch from Hulk.

What exactly was this meant to imply then?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Just because he gets smacked by class 100's, doesn't mean his flesh and durability is all of a sudden class 100. Captain America and Spiderman have been smacked by class 100's as well. Batman too. Heck, Daredevil also. This narrow logic doesn't work simply because it's applied to Wolverine.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And you didn't answer my question directly, "Do you think that Wolverine's muscle density is a greater factor than his adamantium skeleton and healing factor when taking those class 100 hits?"

I'm not going to put words into your mouth. I'm done doing that thorughout these sorts of debates. Answer the question. Yes or no.

I believe I already said no?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What exactly was this meant to imply then?

Maybe because I've been drinking beer all day, but seriously, I don't know where the hole in my logic is. And if you ever wanted to show me up, now's the time. Cuz... I haven't eaten anything all day, and I'm just drinking beer. Honestly. Like... you could totally catch me off-guard and it'd be immortalized in teh intarnet!!!!!! :dur:

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I believe I already said no?

Answer that one more question, yes or no. For my indulgence. Please.

P.S. :dur: is not the command for Badabing's dur smiley? WTH? What's the hypertext, dammit?

P.S.S. Is it :durr: ???

P.S.S.S. Oi, what the f@ck?! Is this magic smiley or something?1

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
P.S. :dur: is not the command for Badabing's dur smiley? WTH? What's the hypertext, dammit?

P.S.S. Is it :durr: ???

P.S.S.S. Oi, what the f@ck?! Is this magic smiley or something?1

~ dur ~

Take out the spaces though.

Originally posted by batdude123
~ dur ~

Take out the spaces though.

^ How come I have colons on either side of the dur smiley, dammit?!

P.S.dur

Oh I see...

Don't use colons. Just the "~" sign.

dur

Edit: Never mind. doped

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
That because Cap and Spiderman and Batman and Daredevil have taken hits from bonefied class 100's, that is no evidence to suggest that their muscles and sinews are laced with concurrent 100 class durability? I don't think they have insane durability. When you say that Wolverine has taken hits from Hulk, I say, "Yeah? So? Doesn't mean his body is as durable as a normal class 100's..." What am I not getting?

I thought you where imply that Wolverine's healing factor wasn't capable of dealing with that sort of damage, in the same way Captain America or Batman can't. I don't know why you felt compelled to point out that Wolverine's muscles aren't as durable as a high end brick... I don't think any reasonable person would make that assumption.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Maybe because I've been drinking beer all day, but seriously, I don't know where the hole in my logic is. And if you ever wanted to show me up, now's the time. Cuz... I haven't eaten anything all day, and I'm just drinking beer. Honestly. Like... you could totally catch me off-guard and it'd be immortalized in teh intarnet!!!!!! :dur:
So. When Hulk or Namor hits Wolverine... "Hs ability to get right back up into the fight is more a virtue of his dense musculature than his adamantium skeleton AND his healing factor? According to you, that's correct?"

Answer that one more question, yes or no. For my indulgence. Please.

Yes.

The Adamantium skeleton keeps his body in one piece and shields his brain. It limits the damage his healing factor needs to deal with, as he doesn't need to regrow bones or lost body parts. What I don't think, is that the usefulness of the skeleton as anything to do with the asborbtion of mechanical energy.

Team for scenario 2. Not sure about scenario 1.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I thought you where imply that Wolverine's healing factor wasn't capable of dealing with that sort of damage, in the same way Captain America or Batman can't. I don't know why you felt compelled to point out that Wolverine's muscles aren't as durable as a high end brick... I don't think any reasonable person would make that assumption.

Yes.

The Adamantium skeleton keeps his body in one piece and shields his brain. It limits the damage his healing factor needs to deal with, as he doesn't need to regrow bones or lost body parts. What I don't think, is that the usefulness of the skeleton as anything to do with the asborbtion of mechanical energy.

Now how about the comic plot device of "rolling with the blow?" You know about them. "Would you ever consider that particular technique/excuse as being applicable to when Wolverine gets hit by class 100 blows?"

Lulz @ this thread

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So bottom-line... Wolverine's muscular density has more to do with his ability to soak damage than his adamantium skeleton and his healing factor? K. Carved in stone, your answer is! Why am I talking like Yoda?! I don't know!

Now how about the comic plot device of "rolling with the blow?" You know about them. "Would you ever consider that particular technique/excuse as being applicable to when Wolverine gets hit by class 100 blows?"

Opps I ment to say "no" in my previous post. As you can see from what I wrote after I said yes, I think it has more to do with the skeleton then muscle density. 😮

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Opps I ment to say "no" in my previous post. As you can see from what I wrote after I said yes, I think it has more to do with the skeleton then muscle density. 😮

scenario 1) sooner or later team ma all get seriously maimed, massive blood loss or dismemberment for the loss. but maybe someome can get behind him and get him into a full nelson, you never know.

scenario 2) team for the win. all they have to do is keep a somewhat fixated distance around him and hit him with gadgets/weapons from behind, never getting too close to him. batman or green arrow have the tools for this just as long as they don't get jumped by logan, the other fighters can provide ample distraction.

they may lose a couple of guys but team ma can beat him or at least subdue him.