Originally posted by OneDumbG0So when you're not blowing shit completely out of context you're buisy stuffing words in my mouh with strawmen huh?
Jinzin, fine. Elektra without her sais... but with the help of Batman, Bronze Tiger, Connor Hawke, Shang Chi AND Shiva gets her ass kicked. Ok. I see the logic there. Totally:Having sais >>>>>> Batman + Bronze Tiger + Connor Hawke + Shang Chi + Shiva and Elektra who can actually punch through a guy's chest anyway...
I'm not out here to change your opinion, that's impossible. I'm only here to point out the gaping holes in your logic to everyone else.
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What part about linear time here are you having trouble with? What I was arguing there was that Elektra looked superior to Logan in skill, but that in a KMC fight to the finish Logan'd still win. Now I'm not sure which part you're having trouble grasping here. The fact that I don't think Elektra can beat Logan in a fight to the finish, or the fact that taking away her sais takes away her best ability to damage Logan. All of the sudden the fact that she's stabbed him in the shoulders? Irrelivent. The fact that she's stabbed Wolverine in the heart? Irrelivent.
There's no gaping holes in my logic. Elektra might be more skilled than Wolverine and possibly/probably faster but she won't win a fight to the finish. On panel evidence supports this.
Taking away her sais reduces her chances to sinificantly harm Wolverine. Common sense.
It also decreases her reach. Common sense.
At no point did I state that Elektra with sias>>>Rest of the team, that's just a strawman you made, and the fact that that was what you concluded to only shows how poor your logic is. 😬
Originally posted by jinzinjust like how Logan always 'decimates' DD, Elektra, Captain America, Black Panther, etc when they fight right? 🙄
Do you even realize how hard it is to put a full bill of health boasting Logan down for the count. 1 on 1 most of these people would get decimated vs. Logan without weapons. 😐
Originally posted by FOOM
With a name like Batman-Prime, he's obviously a Bruce fan... but that doesn't make him wrong... this IS overkill... only a wolvie fanboy would disagree... the problem here isn't "BATMAN" love.it's typical Logan-phile B.S.
Translation: An attack from 6 peak humans = more devastating than a barrage of punches from the Hulk... apparently
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Originally posted by Starscream MHe's beaten DD easily. Was beating him while mind controlled and has beaten a superhuman DD in a non 616 so yes.
just like how Logan always 'decimates' DD, Elektra, Captain America, Black Panther, etc when they fight right? 🙄
Originally posted by Starscream M
just like how Logan always 'decimates' DD, Elektra, Captain America, Black Panther, etc when they fight right? 🙄
Wolverine and DD have fought twice. The one time they where both 100% DD ended up in a fullnelson in three panels. The second time Wolverine was A) mind controlled B) trying to fight off said mind control C) was missing part of his sould and D) wasn't actually trying to kill D (he was only bait for Elektra)... and DD still only managed to stay alive by temporary breaking HYDRA's hold over Logan. Hurray for a plot device? You bet your ass.
Elektra's only real fight with Wolverine was in EotS, where everything post above about Daredevil is true, only on top of all that he was being kept alive by live support only moments earlier and she got the drop on him while he was in combat. Redeemer isn't canon and I don't think Rise of the Imperfects is either.
Captain America has fought a mindless Werewolf mind-controlled Wolverine (a situation in which Wolverine still had the upper hand) and in Origin's he got the drop on Wolverine after he had already been put through the ringers by Nuke. Wolverine at this point in Origins had been going non-stop without food or water since HoM and had even passed out from hunger and sleep deprivation and had to eat his own arm. Even before his fight with Nuke, he wasn't 100%... and Cap only managed to "win" briefly because of a magic sword... and at the end of the day Cap still passed out and had to be rushed to medical attention so he wouldn't die.
Black Panther was quickly over powered by Wolverine in CoC. BP managed to dodge one blow and went into hiding, attacked Wolverine when he fought out Logan's sense of smell was as powerful as his own... and was quickly pinned. He only managed to escape because Thing showed up and distracted Logan. Other than that... he managed to toss Wolverine once. Big deal. Wolverine has done that to the freaking Mandarin!
Aside from BP, everyone of those people have had massive plot devices in their favor when they've "fought" Wolverine.
Even in a dojo Bullseye and Green Arrow should have enough of a distance advantage to hit Woverine in some vulnerable nerve points and the eyes allowing the rest of team a chance to take him down when acting together.
Wolverine CAN be temporarily weakened. Ask Mariko's father who hit him with poison shurikens (something Bullseye could do) and then beat the hell out of Logan with a wooden sword.
You insist 6 peak humans aren't as tough as the hulk- absolutely true... but are we also to believe these 6 aren't as tough as one old man with a blackbelt in Kendo?
Originally posted by FOOMYou know trying to downplay Hooverspleen like that is neither funny nor creative.
Even in a dojo Bullseye and Green Arrow should have enough of a distance advantage to hit Woverine in some vulnerable nerve points and the eyes allowing the rest of team a chance to take him down when acting together.
Wolverine CAN be temporarily weakened. Ask Mariko's father who hit him with poison shurikens (something Bullseye could do) and then beat the hell out of Logan with a wooden sword.
You insist 6 peak humans aren't as tough as the hulk- absolutely true... but are we also to believe these 6 aren't as tough as one old man with a blackbelt in Kendo?
What's the eye shot supposed to do?
Originally posted by FOOM
Even in a dojo Bullseye and Green Arrow should have enough of a distance advantage to hit Woverine in some vulnerable nerve points and the eyes allowing the rest of team a chance to take him down when acting together.
Wolverine CAN be temporarily weakened. Ask Mariko's father who hit him with poison shurikens (something Bullseye could do) and then beat the hell out of Logan with a wooden sword.
You insist 6 peak humans aren't as tough as the hulk- absolutely true... but are we also to believe these 6 aren't as tough as one old man with a blackbelt in Kendo?
Shingen is an absolute Beast. The guy would wreak any of the people listed here (with the possible exception of Elektra due to telepathy and her other powers). He was faster and more skilled than Silver Samurai, significantly so... and Silver Samurai has punked Spider-man in two hits. Don't down play Shingen's skills, he is a master, and more skilled than any of these MA's... and the last time they fought Wolverine only took a single hit (and he was weakend and less skilled by having part of his soul removed).
Also Wolverine's healing factor is exponentially stronger now then it was during his first incounter with Shingen. Nerve attacks and pressure points are useless, his healing factor will deal with the damage in seconds.
Originally posted by FOOM
A) What the hell is Hooverspleen?
Originally posted by FOOMActually there's BONE right behind the eye, in Wolverine's case it'd be adamantium bonded bone right behind the eye.
B)Eye shots hurt; even Logan can be stunned by pain
AND the brain is right behind them... could stun him. Thought that was obvious.
Yeah, A little pain is going to stop him... Do you know anything about the character?
Originally posted by FOOMIts an ad hoc aequivocation fallacy. That's what's invalid about it.
C) What is invalid about my point that if Lord Shingen can take him maybe these 6 fighters could as well?
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"Wolverine: "Deadpool? Kinda rhymes with Dead fool."
Deadpool: "Oh yeah! Well your namerhymes with... Just what does Wolverine rhyme with? ... Hooverspleen ..."
-What the hell does that have to do with anything I said?
B) typical fanboy response to replace "stun" with "stop" to make the claim seem less credible.
We have all see Logan stunned before. Shingen did it with nerve strikes.
C) Every skull I've seen has emptiness between the optical cavity and the back of the skull. I'm no biologist, so i could be wrong, but you'll have to cite a source that shows otherwise.
Originally posted by FOOM
B) typical fanboy response to replace "stun" with "stop" to make the claim seem less credible.
We have all see Logan stunned before. Shingen did it with nerve strikes..
actually they failed to work and they were kill shots and that was prior to fatal attraction in which Logan healing factor was amped to far greater levels.
oh and Logan has ahs his eye slashed and kept on fighting, as well as far worses damage with out being stunned
Originally posted by FOOMWho said it had anything to do with what you said?
A)
"Wolverine: "Deadpool? Kinda rhymes with Dead fool."
Deadpool: "Oh yeah! Well your namerhymes with... Just what does Wolverine rhyme with? ... Hooverspleen ..."-What the hell does that have to do with anything I said?
Originally posted by FOOMReported for member bashing. 🙂
B) typical fanboy[]/b]
Originally posted by FOOMTrust me, changing one little word like that won't damage something that doesn't exist.. in this case the credibility of the claim.
[B] response to replace "stun" with "stop" to make the claim seem less credible.
Originally posted by FOOMAnd we've all seen him waltz through things that hurt like hell. and those of us that actually READ his comics know that he's hurting all the time.
We have all see Logan stunned before. Shingen did it with nerve strikes.
Originally posted by FOOMHow many skulls have you seen?
C) Every skull I've seen has emptiness between the optical cavity and the back of the skull.
Originally posted by FOOMObviously.
I'm no biologist,
Originally posted by FOOMHow about biology?
so i could be wrong, but you'll have to cite a source that shows otherwise.
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200410/r34321_85394.jpg
http://www.kihlstudios.com/skulls/images/human_3.jpg
http://mitpress.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/skull.jpg
I see you are right. The brain is not accessible through the eye cavity.
I will not concede to the idea of the "unstunnable" wolverine. I know he's in constant pain, but wolverine can be stunned by non-superhumans, like Shingen. Also, Shingen is not greater than these six combined, who could also use poison on their projectiles to slow Logan down. You just implied Electra (with her additional abilites) is in his league.
Stating that he lost to Shingen so he could lose to these six is just as fair as saying he's held his own with the Hulk so he could beat these 6.
Regarding my "fan boy" comment
My apologies for hurting your feelings.
I can see that was way out of line and I deserved to be reported for it.
Originally posted by FOOM
I see you are right. The brain is not accessible through the eye cavity.I will not concede to the idea of the "unstunnable" wolverine. I know he's in constant pain, but wolverine can be stunned by non-superhumans, like Shingen. Also, Shingen is not greater than these six combined, who could also use poison on their projectiles to slow Logan down. You just implied Electra (with her additional abilites) is in his league.
Stating that he lost to Shingen so he could lose to these six is just as fair as saying he's held his own with the Hulk so he could beat these 6.
Regarding my "fan boy" comment
My apologies for hurting your feelings.
I can see that was way out of line and I deserved to be reported for it.
Wolverine was saying that the blows Shingen was landing with his bokken would be fatal to a normal human. That's pretty impressive, considering he made it look like it was just a friendly spar to everyone watching. He is more skilled than anyone on this list. Shingen is a monsterous fighter.
And the poison that slowed Wolverine down 25 years ago isn't going to make him bat an eyelid now.
