Murder or Self Defense?

Originally posted by Robtard

The difference though, that law in Thailand is set in place, getting executed on a lawn for stealing household goods in America (even TX) isn't. See?

What they have in common is that they both have the death penalty for nonviolent crimes. So people committing them, should take that into account.

This reminds me of what a comedian said...

When you enter Texas there should be a sign with a guy sitting in the electric chair saying '"Welcome to Texas, DONT **** UP".

Killing in self defense is not murder.

Picture a guy breaking into the house of let's say....mm...hmmm..BRUCE LEE! Yeah, a thief breaks into his house. Bruce is practicing his lethal kicks and the guy chargers him. Bruce kicks him and the guy dies.

It's not murder. Bruce isn't responsible for the other idiot's actions.

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However, in all serious business...I can't call it. If I was in the same situation I would do everything in my power to protect my property and my family.

Originally posted by Robtard
The guy says "I'm going out there to kill them" and ignores the 911 operator's demands, that clearly shows that his intent was to kill. It wasn't like they broke into his house; he had no idea if they were armed and he just shot out of fear. Dude loaded up, went outside, saw they weren't armed and fired.

I also highly doubt one of them charged him, but taking his word on it, I can see why he shot that one. The other guy though? Where's the justification in shooting a thief running away?

Dude murdered two guys, in the very least, it was manslaughter. Hero he is not.

My feelings exactly. His intention was to shoot/kill them before he left the house. While I hate thieves, there's no justification for killing them. I dont care if he had shot them in the legs or an arm, incapacitate them. He is no hero.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
In what sense?

They did something "bad" and got "punished"? If we're being that retarded, yes.

They stole from someone else, never physically hurt anybody and never threatened hi. In retaliation, he shot and killed them with a shotgun.

That's not justice.

-AC

To each their own then.

I have no problems with an illegal cocaine dealing house robbing immigrant getting killed.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
My feelings exactly. His intention was to shoot/kill them before he left the house. While I hate thieves, there's no justification for killing them. I dont care if he had shot them in the legs or an arm, incapacitate them. He is no hero.

I dont think he needed to kill them, he could of just wounded them as mentioned previously. Now though, I see two less criminals in the world, and selfishly, two less in the area I live in. I have a hard time seeing a problem with that.

I wouldn't take chances wounding a criminal. He can still pull a weapon out and shoot back and even kill me. You can never take a risk with a criminal. Cops put criminals in handcuffs and they still fight back. If you're going to KO a guy make sure he's out for the count.

as much as i think that people should be encouraged more to take action against criminals and crime as it would make an effective deterent...there is such as thing as "excessive force" and this is a prime example of it

as for murder?...i dont think it was premeditated so no

Originally posted by jaden101
as much as i think that people should be encouraged more to take action against criminals and crime as it would make an effective deterent...there is such as thing as "excessive force" and this is a prime example of it

as for murder?...i dont think it was premeditated so no

He did say "I'm going out there to kill them" before he left his house, faced them and assessed the situation.

F*ck him. We need new judges, ones that actually can make a fair ruling. The man's intent was to murder two people. He should be getting assraped in jail right now.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
He should be getting assraped in jail right now.

According to Niko from GTA4, that is an American phenomenon, it doesn't happen in European jails.

Murder.

Good old Houston. How I miss my home city.

This is a very interesting case. Should the guy be considered a hero? Absolutely not. I don't agree with what he did. I think he should have stayed inside and guarded his own home. He could have easily gotten himself killed by doing what he did.

However, I have absolutely no sympathy for the guys that were killed, regardless of whether they were shot from the front or back. If they were out ruining other people's lives and making them live in fear by invading their homes, then they deserved what they got.

Originally posted by Robtard
According to Niko from GTA4, that is an American phenomenon, it doesn't happen in European jails.

I wouldn't take life lessons from him. Remember, he got b*tch slapped by Dimitri. That's pretty embarrassing.

Originally posted by Robtard
He did say "I'm going out there to kill them" before he left his house, faced them and assessed the situation.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Right. Premeditated murder.

If you see someone getting beatin up in an alley by 2 people and you go down there and kill the 2 guys..is it premeditated murder?

Originally posted by KidRock
If you see someone getting beatin up in an alley by 2 people and you go down there and kill the 2 guys..is it premeditated murder?

Originally posted by KidRock
If you see someone getting beatin up in an alley by 2 people and you go down there and kill the 2 guys..is it premeditated murder?

He went out there planning to kill them, and he did.

Originally posted by KidRock
If you see someone getting beatin up in an alley by 2 people and you go down there and kill the 2 guys..is it premeditated murder?

That would probably be manslaughter, it is also an entirely different scenario; those scenarios factor in to what is murder, manslaughter and self-defense when someone is killed. See.