Punisher 10/10
IMO joker and the rest of the gotham guys are so used to just being slapped around a bit and then put into rehab (and then breaking out for the millionth time) that the moment they come across a guy who they realize isn't short of sticking up a m60 up their butts and pulling the trigger, they're just going to wet themselves. the only reason Joker actually seems "dangerous" is because Batman or anyone in Gotham won't do jack but slap him around and put him in arkham from which he'll break out of for being the "this week's special villain" for the next (annoyingly repetitive) story arc. i've read almost every arc of batman because i'm a big fan of his but i've gotta say, it gets highly repititive.
in terms of prep, joker has nothing going for him. maybe "acid pies, squirt guns and laughing gas" are DC's idea of "dangerous psychopath", but that isn't even in Frank's league. you're talking about a guy who has outclassed some of the best heroes and villains in marvel. with prep he had everything going his way even against Fisk and had immobalized almost all his routes. more than that, Fisk even asked for doom's help to take out frank and even that failed. so please don't tell me about survivability. i suggest you guys read a few punisher comics before you go around saying that "frank has no prep" or "frank is just gung-ho" or that "he isn't as survivable".
in terms of sheer experience and presence of mind, i'll just that he's survived confrontations against captain america and even "overratedrine" even though they were the ones who got the drop on him. he was able to detect spiderman even though spidey was in spying on him and he has gone so far as to foil DD's ambushes on more than one occassions. on top of that, why do people assume that Joker's goons are actually going to be something new for frank? he's taken on entire platoons on his own and has survived the like a million ambushes.
in terms of durability, he's gone in a h2h scenario with tombstone and survived. he's performed surgery on himself, survived fights with someone like The Russian on three occassions (cyborg Russian Ko'd spidey in two blows), fought and beat Barracuda h2h two out of three times (MAX, but still its not like Frank's doing something he hasn't been proven to do before).
in terms of brawling, he's humiliated DD and has gone toe-to-toe with him in h2h. in fact, frank doesn't even want to kill him. in fact, he's gone into a stalemate on more than one occassion...and in their ONLY "to-the-end" fight, Frank was the one who humiliated DD. all the Joker mostly does is runaway from a fight, or call Harley to back him up. and most importantly, Frank crippled Bullseye. and Bullseye>>Joker
there is nothing going for Joker. he's never faced someone who'd kill...and kill is an understatement when you see some of the ways Frank has killed people. the way he's going to tear through Joker is going to be fun to read.
speaking of which: i keep reading batman's "strength of character". for all my love and respect for bats, to me all that's strength of character only if you actually buy DC's half-assed pop philosphical BS.
he doesn't kill. wow...he only lets thousands of people die all the time and endangers the life of several people just cuz he can't get over the death of his parents who happened to be killed. the batman motto is simple: i don't kill. i just let them go after a while so they can endanger millions of people again so that i can keep my own comic running.
please.
~Sado
P.S.
"those who do not punish evil are willing it to continue"