Originally posted by OneDumbG0During Joker's Last Laugh the gases from two sources simply mixed generating gaseous Joker Venom. Asking me how to generate a fictional substance from its precursor is fatuous. And if you're asking me whether Joker can generate a derivative from the precursor, when this is something he regularly makes; I really don't see the point in replying.
Because we're starting in a city that has no Joker hideouts or stashes for which he can simply draw from. Other than his flower, he has to make it from scratch. Joker Venom is made from highly specific chemicals and from everything I've seen or researched, the most prevalent form of producing hydrogen cyanide requires stuff like 1000 degree temperatures and platinum. It's a restricted chemical in and of itself according to weapons conventions and must be reported.Strychnodide isn't even real so it's not lying around. So somehow Joker has to not only obtain strychnine but also derive strychnodide from this strychnine. What kind of equipment is required for this distillation? Is this equipment readily accessible in some New York University lab room?
You don't have to answer these questions directly. If you can, great! But there's probably no way to answer them. All I need to see in lieu of this is Joker concocting this Joker venom using normal chemicals without any need for special equipment from Batman comics. You referenced him making Joker Venom out of an Arkham collar. That's close, but there are no Arkham collars in this neutral New York City.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0If the Joker did the things in my presumably inferior plan to whatever he may think of, things that would take reasonably little time, then exactly how difficult do you think it will be to go that little bit further and contaminate the city's water supply. Or simply threaten to and ergo hold the entire city as ransom in exchange for Punisher's concession. My "toned down" scenario is an overture not a crescendo. In essence you're asking me to elaborate on the obvious.
I am not avoiding what you're writing at all. You're the one that's dodging my questions. "A few pages ago, you said Joker could simply hold the city for ransom or poison NYC's entire water supply. Ok, how does he do it?" If you've backed away from such conclusory suggestions, then say so and I'll drop it. You haven't done so yet and have merely dodged, so I'm still asking the same question. Moving past that and even assuming he could poison hundreds or thousands of children or innocents, "Do you really expect Punisher to walk out into the open and contain the chaos of a bomb that's already set off so Joker can take an easy clean shot at him?" Because that's what you were suggesting in your toned down scenario. Indeed, even Juntai seems to suggest it.You've ridiculed other posters' assertions that Punisher would somehow magically find Joker in his sniper rifle's crosshairs and shoot him. But how is your toned down scenario any different? Punisher magically loses all reason and jumps out into the open amongst hundreds of Jokerized citizens he can't hope to cure anyway? I'm not avoiding your post at all. I'm attacking the reasoning that underlies it. Answer the questions.
If he isn't to use the city as ransom, and Punisher is going to just let the Jokerized citizens run amok, then mayhaps Joker provoke Punisher via offering the antidote.
Yes, I'm dealing in hypotheticals, but no these are not as ludicrous as some of the propositions. In essence I doubt the Joker cares little for the Punisher, ergo provoking him out by "dressing as Batman on TV" "talking trash about Batman on TV" or "saying he's not crazy on TV," to subsequently "snipe him" to me seems rather pointless. While mass murder, large scale ransom or the prospect of saving a large number of lives via an antidote seem far more likely to provoke action.
If neither manages to draw the other out it is essentially a stalemate. If Joker's machinations which could at least potentially draw Punisher out work, then he would have prepped the upper hand. Presumably Punisher would go into whatever scenario Joker set up as prepared as possible, and Joker's plans wouldn't be foolproof. But it would be a ball in his court.
If Punisher miraculously manages to use petty taunts "on TV" to get Joker to forget about his preparations, then he gets shot.
I see the former two as far more likely.