Originally posted by psycho gundam
unlike batman, frank doesn't need to sneak in anywhere to get the job done, he can long range a perp without anyone knowing, joker included.again, not much defense against a barret 50. semi rifle easily obtainable by castle to end this in under a week, a day or two at the most. no elaborate planning just one shot, one kill.
it will be a closed casket funeral for the joker.
This isn't "Can Frank assassinate the Joker in a week" nor is it one-sided prep for him...
Originally posted by llagrokthanks....... i'm just insinuating that the punisher doesn't waist time nor leaves things to chance when mass murderers are involved, a sniper kill makes total sense.
This isn't "Can Frank assassinate the Joker in a week" nor is it one-sided prep for him...
if you actually read a few batman comics you would see that bruces psychology>some nutball with guns.
and when you actually think about it:
-Frank, childhood traumas and exposure to violence leading to a frame of mind regarding the world and how evil is always around us. bruce witnessed murder of his parents as a child and sees evil always plaguing his city.
-Frank, driven by personal tragedy and need for vengeance. Bruce driven by personal tragedy and need for vengeance.
-frank is a solitary, anti-hero who fights a never ending battle against evil. bruce is suppossed to be solitary but seems to have just about everyone he needs including a loyal bulter, beds every hot babe in town, has a thing going with Selina and has a son in the new robin. heck, he has a son with Talia as well. solitary? yeah.
on top of that, Frank has known the idea of evil on a more personal front than Bruce, Frank fought in a war that no one believed in but in a world where "up is down and black is white" he chose loyalty to his country instead of walking away from battle. why? because he was a soldier. he continued to fight in a war that he knew he was a tool in, was being used as a front and knew that his life was in the hands of incompetent burnt out war junkies who didn't know anything. is that complex? not really. but between frank's "absurdity of doing the right thing" and bruce's waging a "one-man crusade on war without killing people", i'd pick absurdity of doing right.
Frank also saw suffering more than Bruce, considering that he saw mere teenagers die for a lie, all his comrades died and all his new potential loves also died. heck, he even saw his children get gunned infront of him. and while bruce's parents died a more or less clean death at a time when he couldn't have done something, frank had the luxury of watching his family get gunned down when he could have done something if he had shown up a few seconds earlier and hadn't been shot in the stomach. heck, he even got to see his kids die slowly and painfully. watching your children die slowly and painfully is much more painful.
he knows the absurdity of fighting evil becuase he knows its a never ending battle and that evil is always around. Frank's whole life is absurd because his family was gunned down a week before his "president award" which would have granted him freedom for the rest of his life, he followed Captain America's example to fight for a battle and for justice only to see that all of it was just a BS front and all his comrades died for nothing. he saw his suriving comrades come home and get harrassed by "pacifist" jackasses even though they didn't know the first thing about what they were talking about....on top of that he gets metahumans who have the nerve to lecture him about not using guns just because they can dodge bullets, have supersenses and premonitation and he's got nothing going for him.
he even saw women, whom he realized were fighting for a just cause, get butchered and raped by his comrades who were supposed to be upholding justice. only he never let them rape the girls because he'd shoot them. is that wrong? well, for one they were still his enemies and he did prevent them from going through something worse than death--rape. he made it fast. and he made it painless. is that justice? in a world that where "up is down and black is white", yes that is.
all of these themes are there for batman. he's fighting a never-ending battle (isn't everyother superhero for that matter?), but he's got a relatively plain black/white idea of the world (i was banging my head during infinite crisis when he won't let Diana state her point because *gasp* she killed someone), has seen less tragedy, has seen less suffering and on top of that has several comrades to back his "oneman" crusade.
so if Frank is a nutball with guns then bats is a nutball with a utility belt.
you think Frank is deep?
and for the record, no one from marvel or DC is deep really.
So realism is a requirement for deep?
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
bruces psychology is nothing when you actually think about it. childhood trauma, fear of bats, embodying his fear. sure, like i said, he's complex. just not complex enough. and seriously, read a punisher comic before you talk. in fact, read "Punisher: born" for starters.and when you actually think about it:
-Frank, childhood traumas and exposure to violence leading to a frame of mind regarding the world and how evil is always around us. bruce witnessed murder of his parents as a child and sees evil always plaguing his city.
-Frank, driven by personal tragedy and need for vengeance. Bruce driven by personal tragedy and need for vengeance.
-frank is a solitary, anti-hero who fights a never ending battle against evil. bruce is suppossed to be solitary but seems to have just about everyone he needs including a loyal bulter, beds every hot babe in town, has a thing going with Selina and has a son in the new robin. heck, he has a son with Talia as well. solitary? yeah.on top of that, Frank has known the idea of evil on a more personal front than Bruce, Frank fought in a war that no one believed in but in a world where "up is down and black is white" he chose loyalty to his country instead of walking away from battle. why? because he was a soldier. he continued to fight in a war that he knew he was a tool in, was being used as a front and knew that his life was in the hands of incompetent burnt out war junkies who didn't know anything. is that complex? not really. but between frank's "absurdity of doing the right thing" and bruce's waging a "one-man crusade on war without killing people", i'd pick absurdity of doing right.
Frank also saw suffering more than Bruce, considering that he saw mere teenagers die for a lie, all his comrades died and all his new potential loves also died. heck, he even saw his children get gunned infront of him. and while bruce's parents died a more or less clean death at a time when he couldn't have done something, frank had the luxury of watching his family get gunned down when he could have done something if he had shown up a few seconds earlier and hadn't been shot in the stomach. heck, he even got to see his kids die slowly and painfully. watching your children die slowly and painfully is much more painful.
he knows the absurdity of fighting evil becuase he knows its a never ending battle and that evil is always around. Frank's whole life is absurd because his family was gunned down a week before his "president award" which would have granted him freedom for the rest of his life, he followed Captain America's example to fight for a battle and for justice only to see that all of it was just a BS front and all his comrades died for nothing. he saw his suriving comrades come home and get harrassed by "pacifist" jackasses even though they didn't know the first thing about what they were talking about....on top of that he gets metahumans who have the nerve to lecture him about not using guns just because they can dodge bullets, have supersenses and premonitation and he's got nothing going for him.
he even saw women, whom he realized were fighting for a just cause, get butchered and raped by his comrades who were supposed to be upholding justice. only he never let them rape the girls because he'd shoot them. is that wrong? well, for one they were still his enemies and he did prevent them from going through something worse than death--rape. he made it fast. and he made it painless. is that justice? in a world that where "up is down and black is white", yes that is.
all of these themes are there for batman. he's fighting a never-ending battle (isn't everyother superhero for that matter?), but he's got a relatively plain black/white idea of the world (i was banging my head during infinite crisis when he won't let Diana state her point because *gasp* she killed someone), has seen less tragedy, has seen less suffering and on top of that has several comrades to back his "oneman" crusade.
so if Frank is a nutball with guns then bats is a nutball with a utility belt.
stop making BS assumptions just because you don't really have anything to say. how about you actually raise an issue so i can debate with your points and see if i'm right or wrong. otherwise, take a hike.
and for the record, no one from marvel or DC is deep really.
no. a non-simplified view of the world is. the moment you have idiots in cloaks going around upholding a black-and-white view of the world, then you have something lacking in depth. Bruce is single minded when it comes to the view of the world. so is Frank. but at least, frank acknowledges that "up is down and black is white" and that is why he needs to do what he does. and while bruce has a rich house, every comfort in the world, friends, allies, a string of lovers, a son in the latest robin, a father figure in Alfred....frank has nothing but his "long, lonely night that i've made of my life".
~Sado
*sniff*
Originally posted by Sado22When did Frank have everything going his way against Fisk ??. Frank has never been more then at most a minor financial threat to Fisk. DD is Fisks main nemesis not Frank.
Punisher 10/10IMO joker and the rest of the gotham guys are so used to just being slapped around a bit and then put into rehab (and then breaking out for the millionth time) that the moment they come across a guy who they realize isn't short of sticking up a m60 up their butts and pulling the trigger, they're just going to wet themselves. the only reason Joker actually seems "dangerous" is because Batman or anyone in Gotham won't do jack but slap him around and put him in arkham from which he'll break out of for being the "this week's special villain" for the next (annoyingly repetitive) story arc. i've read almost every arc of batman because i'm a big fan of his but i've gotta say, it gets highly repititive.
in terms of prep, joker has nothing going for him. maybe "acid pies, squirt guns and laughing gas" are DC's idea of "dangerous psychopath", but that isn't even in Frank's league. you're talking about a guy who has outclassed some of the best heroes and villains in marvel.
in terms of sheer experience and presence of mind, i'll just that he's survived confrontations against captain america and even "overratedrine" even though they were the ones who got the drop on him. he was able to detect spiderman even though spidey was in spying on him and he has gone so far as to foil DD's ambushes on more than one occassions. on top of that, why do people assume that Joker's goons are actually going to be something new for frank? he's taken on entire platoons on his own and has survived the like a million ambushes.in terms of durability, he's gone in a h2h scenario with tombstone and survived. he's performed surgery on himself, survived fights with someone like The Russian on three occassions (cyborg Russian Ko'd spidey in two blows), fought and beat Barracuda h2h two out of three times (MAX, but still its not like Frank's doing something he hasn't been proven to do before).
in terms of brawling, he's humiliated DD and has gone toe-to-toe with him in h2h. in fact, frank doesn't even want to kill him. in fact, he's gone into a stalemate on more than one occassion...and in their ONLY "to-the-end" fight, Frank was the one who humiliated DD. all the Joker mostly does is runaway from a fight, or call Harley to back him up. and most importantly, Frank crippled Bullseye. and Bullseye>>Joker
there is nothing going for Joker. he's never faced someone who'd kill...and kill is an understatement when you see some of the ways Frank has killed people. the way he's going to tear through Joker is going to be fun to read.
speaking of which: i keep reading batman's "strength of character". for all my love and respect for bats, to me all that's strength of character only if you actually buy DC's half-assed pop philosphical BS.
he doesn't kill. wow...he only lets thousands of people die all the time and endangers the life of several people just cuz he can't get over the death of his parents who happened to be killed. the batman motto is simple: i don't kill. i just let them go after a while so they can endanger millions of people again so that i can keep my own comic running.
please.
~Sado
P.S.
"those who do not punish evil are willing it to continue"
And Fisk did'nt beg Doom to kill Frank for him Doom bet Fisk that he could kill Frank Fisk accepted the bet.
Frank has never been the threat to fisk that DD is.
Originally posted by godking
When did Frank have everything going his way against Fisk ??. Frank has never been more then at most a minor financial threat to Fisk. DD is Fisks main nemesis not Frank.And Fisk did'nt beg Doom to kill Frank for him Doom bet Fisk that he could kill Frank Fisk accepted the bet.
Frank has never been the threat to fisk that DD is.
Man you just hate Punisher. I was rebutting your points in the Bullseyes and Punisher thread and you kept on coming out with the same stuff. 😬
When did Frank have everything going his way against Fisk ??. Frank has never been more then at most a minor financial threat to Fisk.
DD is Fisks main nemesis not Frank.
And Fisk did'nt beg Doom to kill Frank for him Doom bet Fisk that he could kill Frank Fisk accepted the bet.
Frank has never been the threat to fisk that DD is.
Originally posted by psycho gundamre-posted cause this owns so hard.
spite thread, joker wouldn't last a week in punisher ny.if punisher had joker as a rogue;
-punisher would violently interrogate thug upon thug to get info on joker.
-freeze his import/export, racketeering, laundering, and drug businesses with explosives and murder.
-kill all his men, no one gets away to alert their boss.
-joker is pulling his green hair out at this point since his business is crumbling and other mob bosses are sending hit squads to re coup their money/territory.
-this all leads up to the grand meeting between frank and the joker,
a physical fight is asinine as is a gun showdown, all joker has left is running away (as usual) but frank will have his HQ soaked in claymores and plastique explosives + he will have an colt assault rifle in his hand, a magnum on his hip, nades and combat knives too. joker dies that day.
p.s. joker's murders after his first meeting with batman are all batman's fault, bruce is an enabler.
thanks....... i'm just insinuating that the punisher doesn't waist time nor leaves things to chance when mass murderers are involved, a sniper kill makes total sense. purple and green suits tend to stand out.
I love you guys.... *sniff*
~The Invincible Sado-sama
P.S. how dare you bastards not comment on my hugeass post that explains frank?! you call yourself punisher fans?!