Punisher vs Joker

Started by Sado2236 pages

joker kill count>>>>>>>>>>Punishers

frank killed 2000 (or was it 20000?) people after dropping a nuke. and that was just one issue. and frank's been doing all this for around 30 years and all over america. on top of that, frank's idea of a body count isn't innocent, hapless civilians but crooks, and scums, supervillains and corrupted soldiers and cops.

This is exactly why I left VG versus. Because of ignorant posters like you who can't be argued with.

IF you had bothered to actually read up on the event I mentioned, instead of just of polluting the forum with your stupidity, then you'd have learned that Joker's Last Laugh was a massive crossover event started by Mr. J. Joker, in less than a week, poisoned every super villain in the Slab (a meta-human prison), with Joker Venom and unleashed them upon the world. It was a world-wide disaster and was barely contained with the help of Harley Quinn, who turned traitor on the Joker. President Luthor even went so far as to declare the USA at war with the Joker. And you have the audacity to put Frank ****ing Castle as an intellectual peer of the Joker? Castle dies. You have absolutely no concept of the nightmare that is Joker with prep time.


you never left VG. you were pwned out of it, really. last i remember you're the guy who said that anyone with ki based moves would own anyone with them........and then i brought up Gen, and somebody left the VG area altogether 😆
and the other reason would be your BS flaming instead of actually debating.
and really, you're giving me an example of last laugh as if it really means something. he didn't do any of that alone (as oppossed to frank who almost always kills everyone despite being outnumbered). in fact, joker hardly ever does anything on his own. has thugs and harley to help him out...and the only reason he's gone as far as he has is simple: because bruce hasn't killed him.
as if frank won't be able to destroy america if he had a way to turn supervillains into his allies😐

The Joker enduring fear with his encounter with Frank Castle, is a prime example of the shit writing that occurs in crossovers........Joker doesn't even use the same tactics with opponents that aren't Batman. Who ever uses that example as a way to justify Castle's suppority over the Joker, is in need of a Darwin award.

you and your jabs.
joker never ran away from batman in fear now did he? 😆
with you the cool thing is anything you don't agree with, you call it bad writing. and yet you consider frank coming after wolverine (a person he said several times he's not interested in in the least) a 9mm uzi good writing. you also think that even though wolvie was standing over 3 grenades and had them blow right under him, the fact that he was standing the next panel with his clothes intact and not even a scratch on him is also good writing. on top of that, you also happen to ignore the fact that the moron who wrote that issue was doing it to get back at Ennis.

~Sado
P.S. brainchild81, foo, whose side you on?! 😠

Originally posted by brainchild81
No need for the insults, even if it is Sado 😄 Castle has evaded and/or beaten Strategic Homeland....errrrr.......SHIELD, police, FBI and other heroes on numerous occasions IIRC. He's extremely resourceful and he's on his home turf. In that crossover(I know crossovers are shit usually and non-canon) Frank was in GOTHAM(Joker's turf) and still made Joker look like a bit<h. Joker's lucky if he doesn't get shot in the head when he steps off the bus to NY. I'm not taking anything away from Joker, but he's going up against a killing machine in the killing machine's house. Somebody should post the pages of JokersLL on his respect thread so I can see 'em. Maybe I'll be as impressed as you were

http://agent0x7.tripod.com/joker1.html

Check em out. And here's a few other scans from the resident KMC thread.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t399116.html

Here's the point:
There is no f***ing way that Punisher will be able to beat the MOST UNPREDICTABLE villain in all of comics history.

The guy's got multiple psychoses. Did you guys see how insane he is in Emperor Joker? There's just NO WAY in your wildest dreams Punisher is winning this fight.
It doesn't matter even if Castle uses nukes and his fancy-pants gadgets, nothing's gonna work.

About the Batman killing Joker, Joker could have killed the guy since their very first encounter. Joker could literally wipe out the population of NYC with a bombardment of Joker Venom.

Originally posted by Starscream M
They each have a week to kill each other. Who will succeed?

Location: NYC

vs

joker, he's just too demented...

Originally posted by Sado22
joker never ran away from batman in fear now did he? 😆

awful comparison. 😬

batman is the only person in any reality that joker considers to be worthy of his attention... if frank showed up, joker'd laugh in his face...

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
This is exactly why I left VG versus. Because of ignorant posters like you who can't be argued with. 🙄

IF you had bothered to actually read up on the event I mentioned, instead of just of polluting the forum with your stupidity, then you'd have learned that Joker's Last Laugh was a massive crossover event started by Mr. J.

Joker, in less than a week, poisoned every super villain in the Slab (a meta-human prison), with Joker Venom and unleashed them upon the world. It was a world-wide disaster and was barely contained with the help of Harley Quinn, who turned traitor on the Joker. President Luthor even went so far as to declare the USA at war with the Joker.

😐 And you have the audacity to put Frank ****ing Castle as an intellectual peer of the Joker? 👇 Castle dies. You have absolutely no concept of the nightmare that is Joker with prep time.

Well Red Skull almost took over the unverse with no help from Mxy, Cap beat him and Puns preps skills on par with Caps.

Originally posted by Raoul
joker, he's just too demented...

I think this is an exaggeration. One of Jokers plots was to kidnap the mayor and there was nothing particulary demented about it. I have seen some of Jokers traps and yes you need to be intelligent to beat them but it seems to be blown out of proportion.

Hell Pun could have killed Kingpin at least twice if it wasnt for outside help and has survived an assasination attempt by Doom.

Originally posted by Raoul

awful comparison. 😬

batman is the only person in any reality that joker considers to be worthy of his attention... if frank showed up, joker'd laugh in his face...

Hasn't Azreal beaten the Joker? Hell what was so demented about Joker killing Robin...he sjust beat him over the head with a crowbar...after that Batman simply couldnt have captured him because he couldnt run fast enough...hell Punsiher would have just shot him.

P.S. Yes I have loads of batman comics.

There is no f***ing way that Punisher will be able to beat the MOST UNPREDICTABLE villain in all of comics history.

MOST UNPREDICTABLE VILLAIN.... 😆
how about you post some real reasons so i can argue with you. otherwise i'd just be trickster.

joker, he's just too demented...

not really a reason, mod.

awful comparison. batman is the only person in any reality that joker considers to be worthy of his attention... if frank showed up, joker'd laugh in his face...

funny how nightwing practically beat him to death.
now, joker laughs at pun's face...but pees in his pants when he actually sees him.
you're a mod, start acting like it raoul. and while you're at it, work on your arguments 😬

~Sado
P.S. as i've already stated, Jean talked about his encounter with frank in canon comics. punisher later talks about the same encounter later on and joker refers to it as well. seems to me that it was canon. and according to canon, frank could've killed him it hadn't been for bruce.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I think this is an exaggeration. One of Jokers plots was to kidnap the mayor and there was nothing particulary demented about it. I have seen some of Jokers traps and yes you need to be intelligent to beat them but it seems to be blown out of proportion.

Hell Pun could have killed Kingpin at least twice if it wasnt for outside help and has survived an assasination attempt by Doom.

the joker is possibly the most demented character in all of comics, one not so demented plan and he's not up to much?

Hasn't Azreal beaten the Joker? Hell what was so demented about Joker killing Robin...he sjust beat him over the head with a crowbar...after that Batman simply couldnt have captured him because he couldnt run fast enough...hell Punsiher would have just shot him.

P.S. Yes I have loads of batman comics.

in a physical fight the joker is weak, nobody would deny that, but to say he isn't insane? you've read the killing joke right? you don't consider that to be pretty messed up?

Originally posted by Sado22
MOST UNPREDICTABLE VILLAIN.... 😆
how about you post some real reasons so i can argue with you.

he is.

not really a reason, mod.

that's not my name. and knowing the joker, it is, given his history and the multitude of messed up things he could think up to deal with frank.

you're a mod, start acting like it raoul. and while you're at it, work on your arguments 😬

pr1983

yes, because your example is one worth following. please.

Originally posted by Sado22
MOST UNPREDICTABLE VILLAIN.... 😆
how about you post some real reasons so i can argue with you. otherwise i'd just be trickster.

Truth humors you?

Originally posted by Raoul
the joker is possibly the most demented character in all of comics, one not so demented plan and he's not up to much?

Dont even understand that...

Originally posted by Raoul

in a physical fight the joker is weak, nobody would deny that, but to say he isn't insane? you've read the killing joke right? you don't consider that to be pretty messed up?

Of course its messed up that doesn't prove that his plans are too complicated for Frank, hell people have done worse stuff than that in real life. From what I remember the traps werent even that compliacted either, just blowing things out of proportion.

You missed the point we know hes physically weak the point is that the plan wasnt terribly complicated.

Originally posted by Raoul

he is.

Prove it. When Joker kidnapped the mayor the plan was as basic as hell, kidnap the mayor take him some place....wow unpredictable. Frank would have just shot him.

Originally posted by Raoul

that's not my name. and knowing the joker, it is, given his history and the multitude of messed up things he could think up to deal with frank.

Prove it. Just saying he can prove absoultely nothing.

Originally posted by Raoul

yes, because your example is one worth following. please.

Well he did state that Frank manged to go through Jokers traps.....

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Dont even understand that...

srug

Of course its messed up that doesn't prove that his plans are too complicated for Frank, hell people have done worse stuff than that in real life. From what I remember the traps werent even that compliacted either, just blowing things out of proportion.

You missed the point we know hes physically weak the point is that the plan wasnt terribly complicated.

that's one, what about the multitude of times the joker came up with something that only batman could figure out?

and even when his plans aren't complicated, they're usually incredibly effective...

Prove it. When Joker kidnapped the mayor the plan was as basic as hell, kidnap the mayor take him some place....wow unpredictable. Frank would have just shot him.

do you have any other examples?

Prove it. Just saying he can prove absoultely nothing.

have you proved frank could counter him?

Well he did state that Frank manged to go through Jokers traps.....

and his attitude was terrible...

one crossover and suddenly punisher > joker? who wrote it? when was it written?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Hasn't Azreal beaten the Joker?
Azreal > Frank too.

Originally posted by Raoul
srug

that's one, what about the multitude of times the joker came up with something that only batman could figure out?

Well theres three that includes what he did to Jason and The Killing Joke. The Killing Joke traps were not too complicated.

Originally posted by Raoul

and even when his plans aren't complicated, they're usually incredibly effective...

do you have any other examples?

The three ones I have..
1. kidnapping the mayor
2. killing Jason Todd
3. Killing Joke

and

4. Azrael beating the Joker....now im going to put my hand up here and say I dindt read the issue they just talked about it in there letters, but the Azreal comics ive read Azreal is nowhere near Frank in terms of prep.

Originally posted by Raoul

have you proved frank could counter him?

Well lets see Franks prep skills have been compared to Cap or even seem to be better. Cap has outsmarted people like the Red Skull, theres no way you are proving Joker is smarter than the Red Skull.

He could have killed the Kingpin twice if it wasnt for outside cirumstances

He survived an assasination attempt from Dr Doom

He survivbed a deathtrap with and electrical floor and tear gas. He had no gas mask and he blew out of the trap without explosives.

Dardevil hired Moon Knight, Shang Chi, Black Widow and Dagger to hunt down The Punisher and he had them under survillance and they didnt even know it, something tells me these guys can beat The Joker in prep.

Hell Black Widow on her own was able to outsmart a computer that fooled the whole of SHIELD.

Its in his own city.

Frank Castle is crazy himself and more dangerous than Batman.

Originally posted by Raoul

and his attitude was terrible...

one crossover and suddenly punisher > joker? who wrote it? when was it written?

Ask Sado.

Originally posted by Juntai
Azreal > Frank too.

....dont know what issues you were reading. He had to get Batmans help to find his mother, im pretty sure Frank could do stuff like that without Batmans help.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well theres three that includes what he did to Jason and The Killing Joke. The Killing Joke traps were not too complicated.

The three ones I have..
1. kidnapping the mayor
2. killing Jason Todd
3. Killing Joke

and

4. Azrael beating the Joker....now im going to put my hand up here and say I dindt read the issue they just talked about it in there letters, but the Azreal comics ive read Azreal is nowhere near Frank in terms of prep.

1. ok...
2. Read it again. KILLING JASON TODD. The psychological effect alone is massive.
3. Killing Joke, kidnapping Commissioner Gordon and paralysing Babs...

Sometimes its not how you do something, but what you actually do that counts... If Frank had anyone left that he cared about, Joker would use his prep to hunt them down, and use them as yet another way to mess with Frank.

Well lets see Franks prep skills have been compared to Cap or even seem to be better. Cap has outsmarted people like the Red Skull, theres no way you are proving Joker is smarter than the Red Skull.

Batman's prep > frank's, cap's... and even he has trouble with the joker at times... and thats when the joker WANTS to be caught... he wants batman's attention, killing batman is rarely on his agenda...

He could have killed the Kingpin twice if it wasnt for outside cirumstances

He survived an assasination attempt from Dr Doom

He survivbed a deathtrap with and electrical floor and tear gas. He had no gas mask and he blew out of the trap without explosives.

all impressive, nobody would deny that...

Dardevil hired Moon Knight, Shang Chi, Black Widow and Dagger to hunt down The Punisher and he had them under survillance and they didnt even know it, something tells me these guys can beat The Joker in prep.

no offence, but if you'd read that much batman, you can't be serious...

Frank Castle is crazy himself and more dangerous than Batman.

batman was smart enough to come up with ways to take down the entire jla... i would love to see frank pull off his own tower of babel...

can frank get the drop and take down the joker? sure, but more often than the joker would him? no, imo, because as well as wanting to be caught by batman, batman is still the only person that can even begin to predict what the joker is up to...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well Red Skull almost took over the unverse with no help from Mxy, Cap beat him and Puns preps skills on par with Caps.

😐

Umm ..

😐

Originally posted by Raoul
1. ok...

Ok.

Originally posted by Raoul

2. Read it again. KILLING JASON TODD. The psychological effect alone is massive.

3. Killing Joke, kidnapping Commissioner Gordon and paralysing Babs...

Look this is really quite irritating you're telling me I dont get it when the point im making is simple. He killed Jason Todd and kidnapped and paralysed Babs? Check this out......Frank Castle was in the Vietnam War!!!!!?????? Can you imagine the shit that hes seen, hell did you know one of Wes Cravens major infulences for his horror movies was the vietnam war? Wes Craven has written stuff that makes the Killing Joke look like nothing. So despite its craziness in the grand scheme of things it aint shit at all.

Originally posted by Raoul

Sometimes its not how you do something, but what you actually do that counts... If Frank had anyone left that he cared about, Joker would use his prep to hunt them down, and use them as yet another way to mess with Frank.

1. He doesnt
2. Vietnam War.

Originally posted by Raoul

Batman's prep > frank's, cap's... and even he has trouble with the joker at times... and thats when the joker WANTS to be caught... he wants batman's attention, killing batman is rarely on his agenda...

Again prove it. Franks prep > Captain America. Red Skull has been a universal threat twice. Can you prove to me that Joker is more resourceful than Red skull?

Originally posted by Raoul

no offence, but if you'd read that much batman, you can't be serious...

Quit the patronising.

Originally posted by Raoul

batman was smart enough to come up with ways to take down the entire jla... i would love to see frank pull off his own tower of babel...
can frank get the drop and take down the joker? sure, but more often than the joker would him? no, imo, because as well as wanting to be caught by batman, batman is still the only person that can even begin to predict what the joker is up to...

Hmm well lets see. Already stated that Dr Doom tried to kill Frank. Does Doom have any impressive prep feats? Theres evidence that Frank castle prep is better than Caps and yes I do think that if Cap had the right resources he could take down the JLA, hell hes outsmarted Red Skull before whos been a universal threat twice. Hell Red Skull pawned The Avengers and had thor cleanign his shoes.😐

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
😐

Umm ..

😐

Mxy didnt help The Joker take over the universe. The point I was making is that Joker didnt get those powers on his own accord like Red Skull did

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Mxy didnt help The Joker take over the universe. The point I was making is that Joker didnt get those powers on his own accord like Red Skull did

Elaborate. Because I can't understand a thing you're saying 😬

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Elaborate. Because I can't understand a thing you're saying 😬

From my undertsanding.....Mxy went looking for Joker, Joker did not decide he wanted to take over the universe, he just happened to be lucky that Mxy turned up.

Red Skull wanted to take over the universe and set a plan in motion and almost did it. Therefore what Red Skull did is more impressive.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok.

Look this is really quite irritating you're telling me I dont get it when the point im making is simple. He killed Jason Todd and kidnapped and paralysed Babs? Check this out......Frank Castle was in the Vietnam War!!!!!?????? Can you imagine the shit that hes seen, hell did you know one of Wes Cravens major infulences for his horror movies was the vietnam war? Wes Craven has written stuff that makes the Killing Joke look like nothing. So despite its craziness in the grand scheme of things it aint shit at all.

1. He doesnt
2. Vietnam War.

Again prove it. Franks prep > Captain America. Red Skull has been a universal threat twice. Can you prove to me that Joker is more resourceful than Red skull?

Quit the patronising.

Hmm well lets see. Already stated that Dr Doom tried to kill Frank. Does Doom have any impressive prep feats? Theres evidence that Frank castle prep is better than Caps and yes I do think that if Cap had the right resources he could take down the JLA, hell hes outsmarted Red Skull before whos been a universal threat twice. Hell Red Skull pawned The Avengers and had thor cleanign his shoes.😐

Mxy didnt help The Joker take over the universe. The point I was making is that Joker didnt get those powers on his own accord like Red Skull did

😐

if i was a lesser man (or bada) i'd cry.

Originally posted by Raoul
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if i was a lesser man (or bada) i'd cry.

So basically everything I said went completely and utterly over your head?

Originally posted by Raoul
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if i was a lesser man (or bada) i'd cry.

If you've read his discussion with cresh, why did you get into a debate with him ?