Originally posted by Phantom Zone
So basically everything I said went completely and utterly over your head?
oh, no, i read it all... and when the tears were forming, i looked away...
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
If you've read his discussion with cresh, why did you get into a debate with him ?
i don't know... 🙁
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneVietnam and Joker and Wes Craven? 😐 Seriously, you need to stay on topic. If you think Vietnam and Wes Craven>>>>Joker in inflicting psycho trauma then that's fine. It's not okay to post as if it's fact and everyone else is wrong. But your bombastic claims aren't fact and nothing more than your opinion.
Ok.Look this is really quite irritating you're telling me I dont get it when the point im making is simple. He killed Jason Todd and kidnapped and paralysed Babs? Check this out......Frank Castle was in the Vietnam War!!!!!?????? Can you imagine the shit that hes seen, hell did you know one of Wes Cravens major infulences for his horror movies was the vietnam war? Wes Craven has written stuff that makes the Killing Joke look like nothing. So despite its craziness in the grand scheme of things it aint shit at all.
1. He doesnt
2. Vietnam War.Again prove it. Franks prep > Captain America. Red Skull has been a universal threat twice. Can you prove to me that Joker is more resourceful than Red skull?
Quit the patronising.
Hmm well lets see. Already stated that Dr Doom tried to kill Frank. Does Doom have any impressive prep feats? Theres evidence that Frank castle prep is better than Caps and yes I do think that if Cap had the right resources he could take down the JLA, hell hes outsmarted Red Skull before whos been a universal threat twice. Hell Red Skull pawned The Avengers and had thor cleanign his shoes.😐
Mxy didnt help The Joker take over the universe. The point I was making is that Joker didnt get those powers on his own accord like Red Skull did
The thread is about Frank. Not you saying Cap thwarted Red Skull and Frank>>>>Cap in prep. That's your opinion, back it up or move on.
You're welcome to your opinion and so is everyone else. Throwing around your own scenarios while discounting what others say is not okay. You freely ask for proof but rarely offer any of your own. This isn't the first time this habit has been brought to your attention. Keep derailing threads and it will result in a warning. If you have a problem with a mod then take it to a PM or another mod. If I see any digs against a mod it will result in a warning.
Originally posted by Sado22Sado, this is the 2nd post I've seen in 2 days where your taking a dig at a mod. If you have a problem with a mod then take it to a PM or another mod. If I see another dig at a mod on a thread it's a warning at the very least.
not really a reason, mod.you're a mod, start acting like it raoul. and while you're at it, work on your arguments 😬
Originally posted by Badabing
Vietnam and Joker and Wes Craven? 😐 Seriously, you need to stay on topic. If you think Vietnam and Wes Craven>>>>Joker in inflicting psycho trauma then that's fine. It's not okay to post as if it's fact and everyone else is wrong. But your bombastic claims aren't fact and nothing more than your opinion.The thread is about Frank. Not you saying Cap thwarted Red Skull and Frank>>>>Cap in prep. That's your opinion, back it up or move on.
You're welcome to your opinion and so is everyone else. Throwing around your own scenarios while discounting what others say is not okay. You freely ask for proof but rarely offer any of your own. This isn't the first time this habit has been brought to your attention. Keep derailing threads and it will result in a waring. If you have a problem with a mod then take it to a PM or another mod. If I see any digs against a mod it will result in a warning.
You know what im not going to argue with you.
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
hysterical
I should have taken my own advice but im stubborn, im probably going to get banned soon.
Originally posted by Badabing
Vietnam and Joker and Wes Craven? 😐 Seriously, you need to stay on topic.
It is on topic. The point is that what Joker did to babs is nothing compared to the horrors that you can experince in war. Wes Craven based some of his idea from horror movies on the Vietnam War is to point out how horrible war can be. Hell if that was a situation in a war they would have probably raped and killed her......
Theres nothing that Joker can do to to Punsiher to distabilize him or shock him.
Originally posted by Badabing
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If you think Vietnam and Wes Craven>>>>Joker in inflicting psycho trauma then that's fine. It's not okay to post as if it's fact and everyone else is wrong. But your bombastic claims aren't fact and nothing more than your opinion.[ /B]
Im well aware of that but maybe if he didnt tell me to 'read it again' I would be more polite.
Originally posted by Badabing
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The thread is about Frank. Not you saying Cap thwarted Red Skull and Frank>>>>Cap in prep. .[ /B]
Um its related to what im talking about. Im pretty sure when people have debates about characters they will bring in another character to illustrate a point.
Originally posted by Badabing
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That's your opinion, back it up or move on.. [ /B]
I havent even got that far yet.
Originally posted by Badabing
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You're welcome to your opinion and so is everyone else. Throwing around your own scenarios while discounting what others say is not okay. You freely ask for proof but rarely offer any of your own. This isn't the first time this habit has been brought to your attention. Keep derailing threads and it will result in a warning. If you have a problem with a mod then take it to a PM or another mod. If I see any digs against a mod it will result in a warning.[ /B]
Have you noticed that Roaul hanst provided any proof either, but you came here to give me a hard time?
Why is it im discounting what he saying but hes not discounting what im saying?
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneHorrors of war being>>>>Joker is your opinion. It's not fact and it's not part of the thread.
I should have taken my own advice but im stubborn, im probably going to get banned soon.It is on topic. The point is that what Joker did to babs is nothing compared to the horrors that you can experince in war. Wes Craven based some of his idea from horror movies on the Vietnam War is to point out how horrible war can be.
Theres nothing that Joker can do to to Punsiher to distabilize him or shock him.
Im well aware of that but maybe if he didnt tell me to 'read it again' I would be more polite.
Um its related to what im talking about. Im pretty sure when people have debates about characters they will bring in another character to illustrate a point.
I havent even got that far yet.
Have you noticed that Roaul hanst provided any proof either, but you came here to give me a hard time?
It's your opinion that Joker can't shock or DESTABILIZE him, not fact.
Frank's prep being>>>>>Cap's prep and therefore>>>>Batman's prep is opinion, not fact.
Your entire debate is a nuh uh opinion. You haven't offered one shred of proof. You consistently disregard scans and feats which go against your opinion. It happens in every thread you post.
This isn't about Raoul. It's about you.
You should have taken your own advice. If there's anything else take it to a PM. If you carry on it's a warning. That's fact, not opinion. Thanks.
Frank > Joker
Batman vs Joker: Batman disable Joker plan, and throw it in Arkahm.Than, the Joker get out, and begin again to do shit.
Frank Castle would shot one time in the face of the Joker and it would be done. The main difference between Batman and Frank is that Frank is willing to take a Sniper Riffle and shoot the joker from two miles of distance. Boom Headshot. No more Joker.
And what the hell it would change if the Joker is "crazy", "unpredictable" or whatever? Big Pun would just blow the building where he is, if there's any bobby traps inside.
A big 8/10 to Frank.
Originally posted by BouboumasterAnd what the hell it would change if the Joker is "crazy", "unpredictable" or whatever? Big Pun would just blow the building where he is, if there's any bobby traps inside.
A big 8/10 to Frank.
That is one of my main points. Joker maybe be crazy but hes not so crazy Frank cant deal with him.
Sado, this is the 2nd post I've seen in 2 days where your taking a dig at a mod. If you have a problem with a mod then take it to a PM or another mod. If I see another dig at a mod on a thread it's a warning at the very least.
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back to topic:
most of joker's traps are alright. they are hardly that complicated. and please, batman comics are full of the "only batman can pick up that clue" kind of BS. i'm still waiting for someone to actually prove that joker is unpredictable. and REALLY unpredictable. not doing things that any idiot can figure out.
the killing joke was so overrated. he shoots an unsuspecting barb and kidnaps gordon. takes him to a place where about any idiot with half a brain cell would understand is being used by him (an abandoned funland with big smiles all over it...some masterplan). when bruce gets there, not only does he plough his way through poorly placed minions, he finds and owns joker in a matter minutes. and that had nothing to do with his intellect. oh, but wait........joker had his deadly squirt flower to dispel of the might Batman😐
picture frank there: M60, cleansweeps the whole place, plants enough C4's and plastique to blow it sky high and if (big if) joker does manage to get out, he'd just fry him with the M60. its really that simple because frank plans all his hits, never goes after anyone without doing full research on them, and never goes there without his share of surprises. heck, he infiltrated a building full of some of the biggest crime lords and sweeped it clean with assault rifles and grenades. on of the people he pwned there happend to be rapido who had a minigun for an arm.
please (punisher vol2). if you people want i'll just post the scans.
owning some of the biggest crimelords in one sweep>>>whatever batman's done for the past 10 years.
What "crazy" mean, anyways? It's meaning that Joker is a sadistic son of a *****? Guess what, it's one of the favorite type of dude of Frank Castle. He would just go killing him more willingly.
Horrors of war being>>>>Joker is your opinion. It's not fact and it's not part of the thread.
at least the Punisher supporters HAVE given a canonical proof of joker being owned at frank's hand. no one has addressed it (minus battlehammer, which doesn't count really) and everyone's dodging that. instead i see people saying Azrael>>>Frank even though Frank bested Azrael after using his own weapon against him...and this was frank shot in his shoulder and already busted up.
~Sado
P.S.and as for Azrael>>>>frank:
Frank beat azrael in that issue. he was shot, and all busted up and still won. their h2h fights were also even...and this is frank shot in his good shoulder.
Originally posted by llagrok
Prove this.
He just went into detail about The Jokers plan in Killing Joke! It wasn't that complicated.
I gave an example where he kidnapped the mayor it was as basic as hell.
Jokers plan to kill Robin wasnt complicated.
Azreal has beaten Joker. Joker doesnt have any prep feats.
Originally posted by Sado22and so is Raoul saying joker is the most unpredictable villain. what is he basing his opinion on? what are the people basing their opinion on when they say Joker is too crazy for farnk to handle? or that joker's body count is larger than frank's? or that joker can outplan frank?
Thats what I would like to know. 😐 Im still waiting for examples of really compliacted plans that Frank cant deal with.
My points.
1. Punsiher has escaped an assination atempt from Doom
2. In the Civil War Cap decided to use Punishers prep instead of his own.
3. Punsiher has evaded Capture from Cap using prep.
4. Cap has outsmarted Red Skull who has better prep feats than The Joker.
5. Punisher had DD, Black Widow, Shang Chi, Dagger and Moon knight under survilance and they didnt even know, something tells me that they can beat Joker with prep.
6. Its on his own turf!
" Azrael>>>>frank:
Frank beat azrael in that issue. he was shot, and all busted up and still won. their h2h fights were also even...and this is frank shot in his good shoulder."
In all seriousness, I can't see Castle beating Azrael without some kind of prep. Azrael is grossly superhuman and rediculously durable. He's tanked getting shot in the head, struck by lightning, and 5-10 tons of Semtex at point blank.
Originally posted by Sado22
Azrael>>>>frank:
Frank beat azrael in that issue. he was shot, and all busted up and still won. their h2h fights were also even...and this is frank shot in his good shoulder.
That's PIS. Clearly poor writing.
Azrael is obviously tougher than Frank durability-wise.
Same thing applies to Batman. They've both got armor than can withstand some of Frank's small guns.
1. If Joker laughs in Punisher's face, he will do so about 0.0001 seconds before being shot in the head by Punisher.
2. If Punisher can avoid being killed by Doom. Joker is small time to him. Doom>>>>>>Batman + Joker. Don't fool yourselves
Joker gets his head blown clean off and the Punisher plays "Another one bites the dust" on his boombox. You guys ain't giving Frank enough credit, especially considering he's on his own damn turf.