Originally posted by Phantom ZoneI don't have to prove what YOU'RE claiming. the burden of proof is on your shoulders, and seeing as how it says the exact opposite of what you claim in the comics you CAN'T prove your claims.
I dont think he has because he needs to prove that his HF does.
All you're doing is trolling and spamming at this point in time.
The comics indicate the opposite of what you claim. Deal with it. You're wrong about the character.
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Originally posted by Creshosk
Which still goes to show that how a person reacts is NOT an indication of how much pain they feel.
Look im aware that people can be in pain and not react but that still doesnt change the fact that crying out is an indication of ability to cope with pain.
Also pain is relative. A person may be experiencing the samething as somebody but if he feels hes in more pain then he is, that person with a lower pain threshold may also pass out.
We know that Wolverine can take alot of punishment, has pervioulsy taken pain and not reacted to it, if he takes far less and reacts to that implies hes not able to cope with it so well
Originally posted by Creshosk
Why is this so hard for you to understand?People sometimes fake pain. Some people don't react to pain. How a person reacts does not indicate how much pain they feel.
You can keep claiming things that prove this, things that prove you wrong, are irrelevant. But that's a pretty pathetic dodge and a copout.
Just accept facts: The comics contradict what you're saying. You are wrong.
Irrelevant.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I don't have to prove what YOU'RE claiming. the burden of proof is on your shoulders, and seeing as how it says the exact opposite of what you claim in the comics you CAN'T prove your claims.All you're doing is trolling and spamming at this point in time.
The comics indicate the opposite of what you claim. Deal with it. You're wrong about the character.
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Im not posting my scans again...ok?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dont think he has because he needs to prove that his HF does. If he gets stabbed in the foot and goes cries out in pain without a HF...and with his HF gets stabbed through the stomache and sliced up and shows hardly any reaction im obvosuly going to think that his HF helps him cope with it.Hell he got a clip unloaded into him by Crossbones and he didnt even move. Bullets dont just do edged damage they're hot as well, that most likely hurts more than getting stabbed in the foot.
Originally posted by jinzin
ALF his ability to "deal with it" better is because he's not being dragged down by Adamantium poisoning, deathspores, bleeding out through wounds as well as his claws (sheathed or unsheathed). It's pretty simple. It's been stated repeatedly that his HF doesn't help pain. He said it makes pain WORSE, common sense like Srank stated dictates the same.
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Originally posted by Phantom ZoneSo the people who fake being in pain, and the spoiled brats really ARE in the amount of pain they indicate?
Look im aware that people can be in pain and not react but that still doesnt change the fact that crying out is an indication of ability to cope with pain.
By the gods you're a gullible one.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneSo the crybabies that chip a nail and say that they're in excruciating agony really are?
Also pain is relative. A person may be experiencing the samething as somebody but if he feels hes in more pain then he is, that person with a lower pain threshold may also pass out.
Yeah, you're gullible.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneOr its the individual writer. Jesus you're a thick one.
We know that Wolverine can take alot of punishment, has pervioulsy taken pain and not reacted to it, if he takes far less and reacts to that implies hes not able to cope with it so well
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneYeah I know it proves you wrong. That's why I'm using it. Why don't you just accept it since we both know it proves you wrong?
Irrelevant.
Originally posted by jinzin
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You have only one example of him saying that. 😐 My scans indicate otherwise.
Originally posted by Creshosk
So the people who fake being in pain, and the spoiled brats really ARE in the amount of pain they indicate?By the gods you're a gullible one.
So the crybabies that chip a nail and say that they're in excruciating agony really are?
Yeah, you're gullible.
Or its the individual writer. Jesus you're a thick one.
Yeah I know it proves you wrong. That's why I'm using it. Why don't you just accept it since we both know it proves you wrong?
Wolverine fakes pain....irrelevant...goodbye.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dont think he has because he needs to prove that his HF does. If he gets stabbed in the foot and goes cries out in pain without a HF...and with his HF gets stabbed through the stomache and sliced up and shows hardly any reaction im obvosuly going to think that his HF helps him cope with it.Hell he got a clip unloaded into him by Crossbones and he didnt even move. Bullets dont just do edged damage they're hot as well, that most likely hurts more than getting stabbed in the foot.
logan is usually so full of adrenaline that he isn't going to feel things until later, but thats not a part of his healing factor, thats just the plain old human 'fight or flight' feeling...
there's no proof that his healing factor does anything considerable to help him deal with pain...
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneYou mean your scans that don't prove this wrong, and don't prove all the other scans that say the same damned thing wrong?
Look im aware that people can be in pain and not react but that still doesnt change the fact that crying out is an indication of ability to cope with pain.Also pain is relative. A person may be experiencing the samething as somebody but if he feels hes in more pain then he is, that person with a lower pain threshold may also pass out.
We know that Wolverine can take alot of punishment, has pervioulsy taken pain and not reacted to it, if he takes far less and reacts to that implies hes not able to cope with it so well
Irrelevant.
Im not posting my scans again...ok?
Originally posted by BadabingThe answer is yes. Yes, he is disregarding things he doesn't agree with.
So, you are disregarding feats, abilities and showings?
Show him a scan he discards it.
Originally posted by Raoul
logan is usually so full of adrenaline that he isn't going to feel things until later, but thats not a part of his healing factor, thats just the plain old human 'fight or flight' feeling...there's no proof that his healing factor does anything considerable to help him deal with pain...
Could you please read what I posted because you just ignored it.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dont think he has because he needs to prove that his HF does. If he gets stabbed in the foot and goes cries out in pain without a HF...[u]and with his HF[/u] gets stabbed through the stomache and sliced up and shows hardly any reaction im obvosuly going to think that his HF helps him cope with it.Hell he got a clip unloaded into him by Crossbones and he didnt even move. Bullets dont just do edged damage they're hot as well, that most likely hurts more than getting stabbed in the foot.
HEALING FACTOR,
DOES.
NOT.
HELP.
WITH.
PAIN.
Wolverine explains his methods for dealing with pain while his healing factor tried to patch him up; He displays fairly impressive of both the human anatomy and psycology:
1. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4396/pain11wvep6.gif
2. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2420/pain20hizh0.gif
3. http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/5263/pain31teai3.gif
4. http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7796/pain48syqv0.gif
5. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8691/pain54hstn5.gif
6. http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/396/pain60voqh2.gif
7. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/82/pain78sikz7.gif
8. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5428/pain87noow5.gif
9. http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2854/pain96igsp9.gif
10. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/...ain105hfib7.gif
11. http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/...ain118iijg1.gif
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneSo what you say is relevant and what others say that proves you wrong is irrelevant?
Well could you please reply to it becsue what I said is relevant.
Yeah you're a troll... Also:
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/82/pain78sikz7.gif
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/3641/clawshurthp7.jpg
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4749/clawshurt2cr6.jpg
"phantom pains" huh? He feels his injuries for months huh?
His Healing factor helps him deal with pain huh?
How about no?
Dang it did it faster and better than I did.. but I grabbed the claws one of rogue.
The claws always hurt him.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well could you please reply to it becsue what I said is relevant.
i don't know what you want me to say, really...
when the human body is damaged, it starts putting itself back together if it can, and in logan's case, the severity of the injuries usually means there's some serious body work going on...
i think its more down to mental discipline than anything connected to his healing factor that allows him to deal with pain in a considerable fashion...
i've honestly never seen any overwhelming evidence to contradict whats been, iirc, established canon for a while...
hell, he still gets hangovers, if his hf did dampen pain, you'd think that would be of some use...
Originally posted by jinzin
HEALING FACTOR,DOES.
NOT.
HELP.
WITH.
PAIN.Wolverine explains his methods for dealing with pain while his healing factor tried to patch him up; He displays fairly impressive of both the human anatomy and psycology:
1. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4396/pain11wvep6.gif
2. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2420/pain20hizh0.gif
3. http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/5263/pain31teai3.gif
4. http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7796/pain48syqv0.gif
5. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8691/pain54hstn5.gif
6. http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/396/pain60voqh2.gif
7. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/82/pain78sikz7.gif
8. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5428/pain87noow5.gif
9. http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2854/pain96igsp9.gif
10. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/...ain105hfib7.gif
11. http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/...ain118iijg1.gif
Again all that proves is that he still feels pain when he has a HF, get me an example of him suffereing from the samething without a HF then thats evidence.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneGEE Alf.. he STILL FEELS PAIN. when he has his Healing Factor. I thought you said it helped him cope:
Again all that proves is that he still feels pain when he has a HF, get me an example of him suffereing from the samething without a HF then thats evidence.
IT DOESN'T.
Anyway, that's a slouthful induction argument. The evidence is heavily against you. Supressed evidence fallacy if you try to discard it.
Logic is against you. The Comics are against you. Quit ****ING trolling.
Originally posted by Creshosk
GEE Alf.. he STILL FEELS PAIN. when he has his Healing Factor. I thought you said it helped him cope:
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/82/pain78sikz7.gifIT DOESN'T.
You dont have any proof! If you have an example of him suffering from the samething without the HF then you have proof. All you have is evidence that it still hurts.
Originally posted by Raoul
i don't know what you want me to say, really...when the human body is damaged, it starts putting itself back together if it can, and in logan's case, the severity of the injuries usually means there's some serious body work going on...
i think its more down to mental discipline than anything connected to his healing factor that allows him to deal with pain in a considerable fashion...
i've honestly never seen any overwhelming evidence to contradict whats been, iirc, established canon for a while...
hell, he still gets hangovers, if his hf did dampen pain, you'd think that would be of some use...
Again the evidence been given indicates that he still feels pain with his HF im not saying he doesnt. That does not disprove that he feels more pain without it.
Hes only stated ONCE that his HF makes it worse, that is contradicted by the three examples ive given. Just because he said it does not matter how logical doesnt mean that it does if there is evidence to contradict it.
The three examples ive given contradict that.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You dont have any proof!
Originally posted by jinzin
HEALING FACTOR,DOES.
NOT.
HELP.
WITH.
PAIN.Wolverine explains his methods for dealing with pain while his healing factor tried to patch him up; He displays fairly impressive of both the human anatomy and psycology:
1. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4396/pain11wvep6.gif
2. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2420/pain20hizh0.gif
3. http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/5263/pain31teai3.gif
4. http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7796/pain48syqv0.gif
5. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8691/pain54hstn5.gif
6. http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/396/pain60voqh2.gif
7. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/82/pain78sikz7.gif
8. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5428/pain87noow5.gif
9. http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2854/pain96igsp9.gif
10. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/...ain105hfib7.gif
11. http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/...ain118iijg1.gif
Don't make me convert those to images so its harder for you to ignore them.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneSlothful induction.
If you have an example of him suffering from the samething without the HF then you have proof. All you have is evidence that it still hurts.
You said it helps him cope. Obviously it doesn't help him cope. Well at least obivious to people who have brains and aren't trolling.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneYOU have to prove that he DOES you cannot prove a negative... and that "phantom pain" is going to be impossible for you to prove against.
Again the evidence been given indicates that he still feels pain with his HF im not saying he doesnt. That does not disprove that he feels more pain without it.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneQuit using logicla. you're like one of the least logical people on KMC... The evidence is against you.
Hes only stated ONCE that his HF makes it worse, that is contradicted by the three examples ive given. Just because he said it does not matter how logical doesnt mean that it does if there is evidence to contradict it.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneWhich is contradicted by the eleven scans jinzin posted and the two I posted (from Jinzin's Wolverine thread)
The three examples ive given contradict that.
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The evidence is against you.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Again the evidence been given indicates that he still feels pain with his HF im not saying he doesnt. That does not disprove that he feels more pain without it.
you can't be serious...
Hes only stated ONCE that his HF makes it worse, that is contradicted by the three examples ive given. Just because he said it does not matter how logical doesnt mean that it does if there is evidence to contradict it.The three examples ive given contradict that.
who said it makes him worse? the pain is the same, regardless, its the healing afterwards that makes it more painful...
