Lady Shiva vs Wolverine · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
*sigh* You stated there he had already been damaged thus implying that was a reason why he got Koed by the bullet.

Quote the posts leading into that. I know what I was thinking and stating better than you do. I understand context better than you do. I was stating the reasons that make that example irrelivent for Punisher being able to do the same. Punisher would have to have a HF. He'd have to have DP's damage soak, and he'd have to get past all the damage Wolverine can take up to that point to draw him in effectively to shoot him in the brain.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im not talking about civil war in this example.

Then what ARE you talking about?

You limited your examples to the Namor fight and the DP fight. One's a misinterpretation/misrepresentation, the other is an ignorance to printed proof that contradicts you.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Wasnt stated in the DP example and you implied that the damage he took previoulsy affect him getting Koed.

From a bullet to the brain? No I didn't.. I've stated a bajillion times that a bullet to the brain could/should put Logan down for a moment. You need to learn how to interpret things correctly.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Obvoulsy the statement implies that you were saying he rolled with it, DumbGo got that impression as well. Don't try to twist stuff around.

"A guy who can roll with class 100 punches"... I made the statement to imply that IF has a decent degree of reaction speed as well as durability. There's no shadow of a doubt when someone's reduced to a skeleton.

Phantom Zone Junior Member

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Once again...
Because he said "ARGH"?

Answer the question please.

Originally posted by Creshosk
He just doesn't get that, how a person reacts is not an indicator of how much pain the person feels.
Punch a spoiled brat in the face, they'll whine and cry about it.
Punch a seasoned soldier in the face and ... they'll probably beat the shit out of you.
Does it mean that the spoiled brat felt more pain than the soldier?

Irrelevant how the soldier or the brat cope with pain is not the issue. A seasoned soldier maybe able to take a punch in the face but if you wanted him to cry out in pain it would be alot harder. Just because the boy cries out in pain from less is neither here nor there.

We are dealing with ones person ability to deal with pain not comparing it with anybody elses.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok lets say you had a HF you stubbed your toe and you didnt say argh and then I take it away and you do? What am I supposed to think, im obvoulsy going to think it hurts more.

What if I had a healing factor stub my toe and say argh and then you took it away and I didn't say argh when I stub my toe?

Stupid hypotheticals don't prove anything.

A person may cry out in pain but not be in that much pain but it still and indication of pain.[/b][/quote] Or you know not.

OW! ****! I hurt so bad even though nothing happened. Of course then again dealing with your stupid incorrect ideas hurts mentally.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
If he takes worse damage than that with his HF and doesnt even flinch he clearly is able to cope with the pain better.

You're really grasping at straws you know that?

jinzin Senior Member

ALF his ability to "deal with it" better is because he's not being dragged down by Adamantium poisoning, deathspores, bleeding out through wounds as well as his claws (sheathed or unsheathed). It's pretty simple. It's been stated repeatedly that his HF doesn't help pain. He said it makes pain WORSE, common sense like Srank stated dictates the same.

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge

EDIT: Decided this didn't need to be brought up for discussion.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Answer the question please.
Irrelevant how the soldier or the brat cope with pain is not the issue.[/]b

See? Once again the scenerio proves you wrong and you say its irrelvant... Do'nt you get it? How many times do people have to tell you?
How a person reacts is no indication of how much they hurt.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
[B] A seasoned soldier maybe able to take a punch in the face but if you wanted him to cry out in pain it would be alot harder.

So in order to get a person with a higher pain threshold to react you have to INCREASE the pain?

What would happen if you did that to the spoiled brat?

Do you know anything about the scientific process of keeping variables equal on both sides of the equation?

Do you even READ your posts?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Just because the boy cries out in pain from less is neither here nor there.

Or its an indicator that the amount of pain a person feels is NOT an indicator of how much pain they feel.

But that's just your style isn't it kotex? Don't like it? It proves you wrong? Just ignore it!

Hell that's what president Bush does. And we all know how smart he is!

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
We are dealing with ones person ability to deal with pain not comparing it with anybody elses.

OR... we're using examples to show that you're wrong about a person reacting indicates how much pain they feel.

Phantom Zone Junior Member

Originally posted by Creshosk
See? Once again the scenerio proves you wrong and you say its irrelvant... Do'nt you get it? How many times do people have to tell you?
How a person reacts is no indication of how much they hurt.
So in order to get a person with a higher pain threshold to react you have to INCREASE the pain?
What would happen if you did that to the spoiled brat?
Do you know anything about the scientific process of keeping variables equal on both sides of the equation?
Do you even READ your posts?
Or its an indicator that the amount of pain a person feels is NOT an indicator of how much pain they feel.
But that's just your style isn't it kotex? Don't like it? It proves you wrong? Just ignore it!
Hell that's what president Bush does. And we all know how smart he is!
OR... we're using examples to show that you're wrong about a person reacting indicates how much pain they feel.

Nah you're example is rubbish go away.

Raoul Hey Yo!

pr1983

claiming logan doesnt feel pain due to his healing factor is ludicrous, considering the amount of evidence that shows definitively that the healing itself can at times hurt almost as much as the injury itself...

seriously.

Phantom Zone Junior Member

Originally posted by Raoul
pr1983
claiming logan doesnt feel pain due to his healing factor is ludicrous, considering the amount of evidence that shows definitively that the healing itself can at times hurt almost as much as the injury itself...
seriously.

Talking to me?

Raoul Hey Yo!

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Talking to me?

aye, unless i missed the point you were trying to make...

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well if he was in shock that explains why. Wolverine isnt in shock when he gets wounded hell ive even heard about people in the 7/7 bombings who said they lost limbs but all they did is attach it back to there body, its like they didnt feel any pain.
Nah you're example is rubbish go away.

Translation: "I can't argue against your point properly, but I'm not done trolling. Quit proving me wrong."

My examples prove you wrong, and you can't deal with them. I've also learned that "irrelevant" is Alf-ese also means "It proves me wrong."

Phantom Zone Junior Member

Originally posted by Raoul
aye, unless i missed the point you were trying to make...

Yeah you did. *shrug* Im not arguing that Wolverine HF negates pain im arguing that it helps him cope with it better.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah you did. *shrug* Im not arguing that Wolverine HF negates pain im arguing that it helps him cope with it better.

Which it doesn't.

How does something that hurts you help you cope with being hurt?

Phantom Zone Junior Member

Originally posted by Creshosk
Translation: "I can't argue against your point properly, but I'm not done trolling. Quit proving me wrong."
My examples prove you wrong, and you can't deal with them. I've also learned that "irrelevant" is Alf-ese also means "It proves me wrong."

Anyway I guess when somebody is being tortured and they cry out in pain that no indication of how much pain they are suffering. :/

Originally posted by Creshosk
Which it doesn't.
How does something that hurts you help you cope with being hurt?

Already given my reasons.

Phantom Zone Junior Member

Sorry was trying to edit another post.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Anyway I guess when somebody is being tortured and they cry out in pain that no indication of how much pain they are suffering. :/

That's right, because some people whom are tortured under the same exact methods don't cry out. Does that mean that the one whom doesn't cry out and was tortured under the same methods feels less pain than the person who cries out?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Already given my reasons.

Oh yeah.. I remember what your reasons are.

PZ's reasons: *discards evidence that proves PZ wrong*

Those are bloody brilliant let me tell you. 🙄

Raoul Hey Yo!

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah you did. *shrug* Im not arguing that Wolverine HF negates pain im arguing that it helps him cope with it better.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Which it doesn't.
How does something that hurts you help you cope with being hurt?

cresh got it spot on...

Phantom Zone Junior Member

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's right, because some people whom are tortured under the same exact methods don't cry out. Does that mean that the one whom doesn't cry out and was tortured under the same methods feels less pain than the person who cries out?

Again its irrelevant even if hes doesnt feel less pain hes not able to cope with as well as the other guy and he cries of pain indicate this. The person with the lower pain threshold would probably pass out before the toughier guy as well.

If the stronger guy cried out in pain this would indicate that hes not coping with it so well.

Phantom Zone Junior Member

Originally posted by Raoul
cresh got it spot on...

I dont think he has because he needs to prove that his HF does. If he gets stabbed in the foot and goes cries out in pain without a HF...and with his HF gets stabbed through the stomache and sliced up and shows hardly any reaction im obvosuly going to think that his HF helps him cope with it.

Hell he got a clip unloaded into him by Crossbones and he didnt even move. Bullets dont just do edged damage they're hot as well, that most likely hurts more than getting stabbed in the foot.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Again its irrelevant even if hes doesnt feel less pain hes not able to cope with as well as the other guy and he cries of pain indicate this. The person with the lower pain threshold would probably pass out before the toughier guy as well.
If the stronger guy cried out in pain this would indicate that hes not coping with it so well.

Which still goes to show that how a person reacts is NOT an indication of how much pain they feel.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

People sometimes fake pain. Some people don't react to pain. How a person reacts does not indicate how much pain they feel.

You can keep claiming things that prove this, things that prove you wrong, are irrelevant. But that's a pretty pathetic dodge and a copout.

Just accept facts: The comics contradict what you're saying. You are wrong.