***Wolverine/Sabertooth vs Thing/Namor***

Originally posted by Scoobless
The "gore people to death" incident above actually ends with Namor knocking Wolverine unconscious a few seconds later.

Thing has KOd him as well.

Sabretooth may be > Wolverine, but Wolverine's only real offensive advantage against these guys is the length of his claws, ST can't do as much damage to either of these guys as Wolvy can.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And who's to decide what "on-panel" feats are usable? Basically your saying we should just toss out all comics and listen to you.

How do we know what a character is capable of? Its in the comics. Tossing something out simply because you don't like it is illogical. Determining reality by what YOU think should happen is the wishful thinking fallacy.

i never said i what i say is right, i just want someone to tell me with full conviction that a class 1.5 will break the grip of a class 100.

thats it.

doesnt seem too un-reasonalble.

Originally posted by Juk3n
i never said i what i say is right, i just want someone to tell me with full conviction that a class 1.5 will break the grip of a class 100.

thats it.

doesnt seem too un-reasonalble.

Though question for you, if evidence from the comics was to even be used would you bother to look at and or accept it? Or would you brush it off in favor of what you think should have happened?

Originally posted by Juk3n
i never said i what i say is right, i just want someone to tell me with full conviction that a class 1.5 will break the grip of a class 100.

thats it.

doesnt seem too un-reasonalble.

Its not unreasonable-you woudn't be able to break the grip of someone 5 x stronrger than you, let alone 100 x

yes but why does anyone assume thing will be able to get his hands on the faster, more experiences, far better trained and skilled fighter?

ii take whatever feats shown in canon comics as what they are. Proof is proof afterall, doesnt mean i have to agree or like it - opinions aernt illegal.

and for the sake of argument things like Logan breaking out of webbing that held Thing wee probably more to do with the story arc than to do with Logan being physically stronger than Grimm.

unless, ofcourse by that feat you are imposing on me that Logan IS infact 'tug of war' stronger than thing?

Originally posted by llagrok
Proves what would happen in a what if comic. They're generally incorrect. Unless you believe that Black Bolt could instantly decimate The Sentry with a whisper.

Wolverine has stabbed Namor in the chest like 4 times, and it only affected him once. Hmmm

He cut Namor in the mind control fight, but it looks to be more of a glancing blow.

In Invaders it put Namor down.
In Civil War it put Namor down. (he got up but he was TKO'd)
In Namor it hurt him enough to dive into a pool.

hmmmmm...

Originally posted by Battlehammer
yes but why does anyone assume thing will be able to get his hands on the faster, more experiences, far better trained and skilled fighter?

yes battle hammer you are correct there, unfortunatley the guy that is very angry at me did not give that response, .

But yes u are correct catching Wolvie and Sabretooth is a different matter, my point was that IF namor caught them by the hands..they have very slim chance of breaking free from a class 100 grip before they get swung around and thrown very far.

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Originally posted by Juk3n
If on-panel battles always went the way they REALLY should it would be a boring ass Universe don't you think?

Are you seriously [B]SERIOUSLY in a serious straite faced way telling me that, Namor's class +100 strength could not hold the Wolverines arms at bay rending him completely harmless?

and i want to be clear here, you think that a mutant with 1 maybe 2 tonne at a stretch lifting strength is breaking his wrists free from the grip of a class 100? i dont.

Wolve and tooth get manhandled. imo

Does any of what ive just said really sound that farfetched?

Breaking the grip of someone 100 times your strength superior - like i said if all on-panel fight went exactly the way they SHOULD it would be very boring. [/B]

I never said that Namor's strength isn't enough to hold Wolverine down. What I AM saying is that Namor's never been in the position to do that, and he never will be. It comes with the territory of fighting a character who's a bit faster, better fighter, with a longer reach and has more acrobatic agility.

I think that Namor would be having a hell of a time just trying not to get mauled by Sabretooth or Wolverine nevermind noncholantly grabbing them by the wrists... Even attempting something like that is a risk of getting his hands chopped to cutlets. 😐

And just to let you know ignoring on panel in canon evidence that's been consistent over a 20 year span sets up a VERY weak argument. 😐

Originally posted by Juk3n
yes battle hammer you are correct there, unfortunatley the guy that is very angry at me did not give that response, .

But yes u are correct catching Wolvie and Sabretooth is a different matter, my point was that IF namor caught them by the hands..they have very slim chance of breaking free from a class 100 grip before they get swung around and thrown very far.

you be surprized. Logan has gotten out of hulks gripp before. weaker opponets can get out of stronger opponets grips.

Originally posted by Scoobless
The "gore people to death" incident above actually ends with Namor knocking Wolverine unconscious a few seconds later.

Thing has KOd him as well.

Sabretooth may be > Wolverine, but Wolverine's only real offensive advantage against these guys is the length of his claws, ST can't do as much damage to either of these guys as Wolvy can.

Thing KO'd Logan after Logan was used like a battering ram into Thing, which also put Thing down briefly. And that was before Fatal Attractions anyways.

As for Sabretooth.

YES HE CAN....
lol

Actually Sabretooth's claws have been stated as 6 inches in length. The fact that he has class 15 strength and a higher level of durability than that even makes him a SERIOUS threat to either Namor OR Thing.

Originally posted by Juk3n
yes battle hammer you are correct there, unfortunatley the guy that is very angry at me did not give that response, .

But yes u are correct catching Wolvie and Sabretooth is a different matter, my point was that IF namor caught them by the hands..they have very slim chance of breaking free from a class 100 grip before they get swung around and thrown very far.

😂

I'm not "very angry"... hehehe!

Originally posted by jinzin
And just to let you know ignoring on panel in canon evidence that's been consistent over a 20 year span sets up a VERY weak argument. 😐

i ignored nothing, i simply gave an opinion.

But fine you know what i'll just go along with whatever, i dont wanna argue over they bloody internet.

Wolvie wins , fine.

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Originally posted by Juk3n
i ignored nothing, i simply gave an opinion.

But fine you know what i'll just go along with whatever, i dont wanna argue over they bloody internet.

Wolvie wins , fine.

👆

😕

Originally posted by Juk3n
ii take whatever feats shown in canon comics as what they are. Proof is proof afterall, doesnt mean i have to agree or like it - opinions aernt illegal.

and for the sake of argument things like Logan breaking out of webbing that held Thing wee probably more to do with the story arc than to do with Logan being physically stronger than Grimm.

unless, ofcourse by that feat you are imposing on me that Logan IS infact 'tug of war' stronger than thing?

I'm also curious as to the assumption that Wolverine and or sabertooth would be grabbed in the first place.

Seems a bit leaning toward thing's favor right off the start don't you think?

Originally posted by jinzin
😂

I'm not "very angry"... hehehe!

and that wasnt about you 🙂

Originally posted by Juk3n
i ignored nothing, i simply gave an opinion.

But fine you know what i'll just go along with whatever, i dont wanna argue over they bloody internet.

Wolvie wins , fine.

👆

and yes, the VERSUS forum is just one such forum. a place where people come to argue over trivial things in a place that doesn't matter. on the bloody Internet.

Who's the angry guy? You're the one who used a strong explicative. 😑

Originally posted by jinzin
😕

dont be, the evidence was presented, i can't argue, wolverine wins, it has been made simple..now i understand and have seen the errors in my statements.

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