***Wolverine/Sabertooth vs Thing/Namor***

Originally posted by jinzin
As for the recent fight. Namor threw the first sucker punch. Wolverine went *** for tat and Namor had to retreat to water. Had the water not been there to run to Namor wouldn't have faired anywhere NEAR as well as evidenced by every fight they've had before that. 😐

Of course, Namor threw the first sucker punch. What with Wolverine's claws mere centimeters from his face. No evidence of a threat or possible fight there. 🙄

If Wolverine's so damn fast, how come he didn't avoid the punch from Namor? I mean, he was he ready, he wasn't caught off-guard, he wasn't mind-controlled...but still wasn't able to avoid the hit. And please, don't tell me that he let himself get hit (and I know you're better than that, jin, but I still feel like I should ask nicely).

And for that matter, he didn't seem able to even avoid the handicapped punch from Namor that he threw when he was kneeling and clutching his chest from the sucker punch from Wolverine.

Retreating? Namor was using his surroundings to speed up his healing factor. And why not? He was just stabbed. It's not as if he brought the pool with him, he was just being resourceful. If using what's around him to amplify his own already-superhuman abilities is considered retreating, then wouldn't Wolverine using his healing factor in general be analogous?

We also don't know how well Namor would've fared had he not dipped himself in the pool. I'm not arguing that he would be fine, but I don't think he would be completely incapacitated either. He was obviously still able to bring some good fight to Wolverine, even while severely injured.

Eh, that's just my two cents.

Originally posted by TheBigBoss
i meant when he was on the ground saying his organs needed repairing or whatever, i think he was pretty vulnerable right there.

This would be of course AFTER Namor ran to the pool to help himself.

read metal mans post, namor was simply using the environment to his advantage... 🙄

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Of course, Namor threw the first sucker punch. What with Wolverine's claws mere centimeters from his face. No evidence of a threat or possible fight there. 🙄

If Wolverine's so damn fast, how come he didn't avoid the punch from Namor? I mean, he was he ready, he wasn't caught off-guard, he wasn't mind-controlled...but still wasn't able to avoid the hit. And please, don't tell me that he let himself get hit (and I know you're better than that, jin, but I still feel like I should ask nicely).

And for that matter, he didn't seem able to even avoid the handicapped punch from Namor that he threw when he was kneeling and clutching his chest from the sucker punch from Wolverine.

Retreating? Namor was using his surroundings to speed up his healing factor. And why not? He was just stabbed. It's not as if he brought the pool with him, he was just being resourceful. If using what's around him to amplify his own already-superhuman abilities is considered retreating, then wouldn't Wolverine using his healing factor in general be analogous?

We also don't know how well Namor would've fared had he not dipped himself in the pool. I'm not arguing that he would be fine, but I don't think he would be completely incapacitated either. He was obviously still able to bring some good fight to Wolverine, even while severely injured.

Eh, that's just my two cents.

Look, Namor and Wolverine are close enough in terms of sheer speed that if they begin to exchange blows, regardless of Wolverine's slim advantage in the area, they're both going to land shots, and no one said that Namor can't.
Namor punching Logan who's trying his version of "reason" doesn't detract from Logan's speed it also doesn't mean Namor's a great wealth faster than him in combat, if he was he wouldn't have been stabbed either.. *** for tat. For the second punch, again they're close enough to exchange blows.

As for the retreat:
Namor doesn't carry a pool around him everywhere he goes. 😐
Wolverine's healing factor is a constant and the swimming pool's a variable.
Since these matches have default arenas, Namor's ability to do well AFTER dipping into the pool is highly irrelivent. Would he have done as well without it? Dunno, but past feats do not indicate as much. Perhaps one stab isn't enough to put Namor down, but it's certainly enough for Logan to open up a massive advantage and has been proven so every time he's stabbed Namor. The difference between the severety of Namor's blows before and after being stabbed could also be an indicator of just how injured he was.

Originally posted by TheBigBoss
read metal mans post, namor was simply using the environment to his advantage... 🙄

Originally posted by jinzin
I must have missed the part where this battlefield's littered with pools. 🤨

no, you missed the part that it takes place on the beach 😠

In the wolvie namor fight wolvies sucker punch was much worse than namors, Namors so called sucker punch came when wolvie shoved his claws a few inches from Namors face. If someone had 2 swords pointed a couple inches from your eyes while threatening you and you hit him, would you call it a sucker punch? When wolvie suckered Namor, Namor was helping him up and thought that the fight was over.

....Anyways if you take away both so called sucker punches Namor dominates this fight. You have to remember that in the fight we created here there isn't going to be a sucker punch, so wolvie never gets that cheap stab in.....Team two takes this 8/10.

Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine stopped. 😐
He wasn't going to attack Namor unless Namor flat out didn't repsect the X-Men's rationale for wanting him gone.
Namor on the other hand threw the first real punch of the fight, that's not up for debate.

Look, Namor and Wolverine are close enough in terms of sheer speed that if they begin to exchange blows, regardless of Wolverine's slim advantage in the area, they're both going to land shots, and no one said that Namor can't.
Namor punching Logan who's trying his version of "reason" doesn't detract from Logan's speed it also doesn't mean Namor's a great wealth faster than him in combat, if he was he wouldn't have been stabbed either.. *** for tat. For the second punch, again they're close enough to exchange blows.

As for the retreat:
Namor doesn't carry a pool around him everywhere he goes. 😐
Wolverine's healing factor is a constant and the swimming pool's a variable.
Since these matches have default arenas, Namor's ability to do well AFTER dipping into the pool is highly irrelivent. Would he have done as well without it? Dunno, but past feats do not indicate as much. Perhaps one stab isn't enough to put Namor down, but it's certainly enough for Logan to open up a massive advantage and has been proven so every time he's stabbed Namor. The difference between the severety of Namor's blows before and after being stabbed could also be an indicator of just how injured he was.

I think what we're missing here is that it's pretty obvious that Namor has the ability to one-shot Wolverine if he wants to. When Namor smashed Wolverine into the ground (which would be in any environment), he smashed all of his organs and rendered him useless.

And I also realize that a default arena wouldn't have pools. But that doesn't necessarily mean the fight will occur the way it did in this recent fight. I know that goes both ways, and I both understand and accept that.

And I can deal with them being of comparable speeds. That's fine with me, too.

Originally posted by TheBigBoss
no, you missed the part that it takes place on the beach 😠

Originally posted by BrianTheBad
In the wolvie namor fight wolvies sucker punch was much worse than namors, Namors so called sucker punch came when wolvie shoved his claws a few inches from Namors face. If someone had 2 swords pointed a couple inches from your eyes while threatening you and you hit him, would you call it a sucker punch? When wolvie suckered Namor, Namor was helping him up and thought that the fight was over.

....Anyways if you take away both so called sucker punches Namor dominates this fight. You have to remember that in the fight we created here there isn't going to be a sucker punch, so wolvie never gets that cheap stab in.....Team two takes this 8/10.

If you take away both so called sucker punches then you have no idea where the hell the advantage would lie. Multiple fights previous lead one to one conclusion and only one.. Wolverine would win.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I think what we're missing here is that it's pretty obvious that Namor has the ability to one-shot Wolverine if he wants to. When Namor smashed Wolverine into the ground (which would be in any environment), he smashed all of his organs and rendered him useless.

Namor's chances of one shotting Logan are slim to nil. The same can't be said the other way around.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And I also realize that a default arena wouldn't have pools. But that doesn't necessarily mean the fight will occur the way it did in this recent fight. I know that goes both ways, and I both understand and accept that.
And I can deal with them being of comparable speeds. That's fine with me, too.

Originally posted by jinzin

If you take away both so called sucker punches then you have no idea where the hell the advantage would lie. Multiple fights previous lead one to one conclusion and only one.. Wolverine would win. [/B]

....except this fight,..namor clearly won

Namor "won" because he was returned to a full bill of health, while Wolverine still had the damage he sustained (healed or not it's still taxing to a point), not to mention the fact that Wolverine thought Namor was secure in his little prison. If you want to argue that Namor won there that's fine, but don't for one second try to present it as the standard between Namor and Wolverine.

Originally posted by carver9

By the way namor has his suit on so that he wont dehydrate during combat.

His suit keeps him at peak outside of water for a longer amount of time. It doesn't heal him from damage like immersing in water does.

Originally posted by jinzin
Namor "won" because he was returned to a full bill of health, while Wolverine still had the damage he sustained (healed or not it's still taxing to a point), not to mention the fact that Wolverine thought Namor was secure in his little prison. If you want to argue that Namor won there that's fine, but don't for one second try to present it as the standard between Namor and Wolverine.

I can agree to that. I don't think you can ever take 1 single battle as the standard "it will always happen that way", and btw i don't think team two stomps i just think they take the majority

I don't. thing the weak link. He loses the vast majority to wolverien or sabertooth

Originally posted by jinzin
Namor "won" because he was returned to a full bill of health, while Wolverine still had the damage he sustained (healed or not it's still taxing to a point), not to mention the fact that Wolverine thought Namor was secure in his little prison. If you want to argue that Namor won there that's fine, but don't for one second try to present it as the standard between Namor and Wolverine.

Just wondering, why would Wolverine's damage be taxing after it had healed, but Namor's isn't?

Namor not sustaining him self. The ocean is powering him.

It a lot different then how wolverines healing factor works

If Jinzin and Battlehammer are online then I say amor solos. If they are online then it's close. biscuits durw00t

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