He's not actually as fast or as strong as Spider-Man.
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
....like how he durved a bullet into a bullet that was curving at him?
Yeah, and that's gonna do great against all the guns Spider-Man uses...
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
or how the first man bent bullets to hit a target hiding behind a metal pole (it curved pretty much 90 degrees)
So? You think Spider-Man's senses won't beat that?
Seeing as you're saying the actions Wesley "would" do, what's the point? You've already decided beyond all sensible reason that Spidey won't win. You're wrong, but you won't see sense, so why should the thread continue?
-AC
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
....like how he durved a bullet into a bullet that was curving at him?
Yeah, and that's gonna do great against all the guns Spider-Man uses...
or how the first man bent bullets to hit a target hiding behind a metal pole (it curved pretty much 90 degrees)
Anyone care to notice that 99% of the time whenever the curving bullets technique was used in the movie, it was A) On stationary targets,
Originally posted by Alpha Centauriso bullet timing and bullet dodging arent spiderman level speed? yes, they are spiderman barely has any bullet dodging feats
He's not actually as fast or as strong as Spider-Man.Yeah, and that's gonna do great against all the guns Spider-Man uses...
So? You think Spider-Man's senses won't beat that?
Seeing as you're saying the actions Wesley "would" do, what's the point? You've already decided beyond all sensible reason that Spidey won't win. You're wrong, but you won't see sense, so why should the thread continue?
-AC [/B]
and maybe not as strong hes no weakling, , and thats how vs. fights work 😬 , they are hypothetical scenarios and you havent provided any points to suggest spiderman is one fast enough to dodge bullets coming at him at near point blank range or that he could do that and manage to beat wesley....rather you come in and say spiderman wins without proof...and I'm wrong 😑
and as pointed out wesley has his own senses on par with spidermans
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk...no is father curved the bullet at him and he knocked it out the air
Yes, a bullet that was moving in a straight line toward him. And then, he uses it to hit a man hiding behind cover, who isn't moving. Neither of those are things Spiderman does.
regardless even if the bullet is moving in a straight line and he curves his bullet into its path, if he can curve a bullet to hit another one he can hit spiderman, maybe not with the first one but with the next ones its possible
bullet>spiderman in terms of speed
Speed doesn't matter. Spidey's spider sense will tell him that a bullet is being fired at him. It will tell him again that it's starting to curve, and he'll move out of the way. It'll at the same time warn him that another bulelt is being fired, and so he'll just dodge both of them.
Bullets moving in linear paths won't hit Spiderman.
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Speed doesn't matter. Spidey's spider sense will tell him that a bullet is being fired at him. It will tell him again that it's starting to curve, and he'll move out of the way. It'll at the same time warn him that another bulelt is being fired, and so he'll just dodge both of them.Bullets moving in linear paths won't hit Spiderman.
I never stated they would
what you are forgetting is spiderman air dodges, if he goes airborn hes dead and he very rarely fights on the ground
and I never stated a linear bullet would hit spiderman I stated a bullet even if moving linearly and wesley managed t ocurve a bullet into it means he could hit spiderman since this bullet would be moving faster than spiderman
Spiderman only air dodges when he's in the air. 😐 Otherwise he can dodge normally. You don't remember in the first Spiderman movie when he's on top of of Uncle ben's murder's car, and the guy is firing his pistol through the roof of the car and Spidey is dodging them? His spider sense makes his reflexes faster then bullets.
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
so bullet timing and bullet dodging arent spiderman level speed? yes, they are spiderman barely has any bullet dodging featsand maybe not as strong hes no weakling, , and thats how vs. fights work 😬 , they are hypothetical scenarios and you havent provided any points to suggest spiderman is one fast enough to dodge bullets coming at him at near point blank range or that he could do that and manage to beat wesley....rather you come in and say spiderman wins without proof...and I'm wrong 😑
No. Vs fights are assessing two characters, their powers, and who might win based on that, or who WOULD win based on that.
It's not an eFed where you get to suggest how the scenario would play out, who would dodge what or what have you. That's stupid, cos then you can make anyone win.
That's why threads like The Hulk Vs Storm last so long, because idiots can't just come to the logical and simple conclusion of "Hulk would win, because it's that simple. End, we've saved time.".
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
and as pointed out wesley has his own senses on par with spidermans
Why are they on par with Spidey's? He has faster reactions because of adrenaline, Spider-Man's is borderline precognition.
You're being an idiot because you've clearly decided that you think Wesley wins, based on the stupid theory of "No, he'd definitely hit Spider-Man with his curving bullet bs, despite how fast Spider-Man is.".
It's a curving bullet, not a f*cking heat seeking missile. It's not going to follow him everywhere.
-AC
Originally posted by Blax_Hydraliskdidnt spidemrna almost fall off the car? however the bullet curving technique is pretty much like the bullet homing in on spiderman plus its worked on people with senses just as strong as spidermans (the fraternity all of super senses)
Spiderman only air dodges when he's in the air. 😐 Otherwise he can dodge normally. You don't remember in the first Spiderman movie when he's on top of of Uncle ben's murder's car, and the guy is firing his pistol through the roof of the car and Spidey is dodging them? His spider sense makes his reflexes faster then bullets.
if we compare attributes:
strength: spiderman (wesley isnt far behind though)
everything else is pretty much equal
and if you remember, when spiderman was being bombarded with green goblins pumpkins, he wasnt able to dodge all of them.
what makes you think that he'll be able to dodge al of the bullets? which are both faster and harder to see?
and theres a big difference between a random thug firing a bullet and a trained assasin.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriNo. Vs fights are assessing two characters, their powers, and who might win based on that, or who WOULD win based on that.
It's not an eFed where you get to suggest how the scenario would play out, who would dodge what or what have you. That's stupid, cos then you can make anyone win.
That's why threads like The Hulk Vs Storm last so long, because idiots can't just come to the logical and simple conclusion of "Hulk would win, because it's that simple. End, we've saved time.".
Why are they on par with Spidey's? He has faster reactions because of adrenaline, Spider-Man's is borderline precognition.
You're being an idiot because you've clearly decided that you think Wesley wins, based on the stupid theory of "No, he'd definitely hit Spider-Man with his curving bullet bs, despite how fast Spider-Man is.".
It's a curving bullet, not a f*cking heat seeking missile. It's not going to follow him everywhere.
-AC [/B]
thats the main thing its borderline,
wesleys senses not only enhance his vision to the point he can magnify of fly as if under a microscope and count its wing movements, but it increases his sense of smell and awareness, things like bullets move extremely slow to him. when spiderman first got ihs powers it showed us how he percieved things wihch was basically the world in slow motion - exactly like wesley.
and no it wouldnt follow him, however the bullet is capable of making last minute turns. as in spiderman dodges and the bullet makes a last minute turn into spiderman, even if spidermans misses that one his speed isnt enough to dodge multiple bullets like that.
Yes, we've established you are hyping Wesley up to the point that in your mind, this is a fight he can win. That much is painfully aware.
The point you're missing is; none of it makes sense. Not your reasons, nor your reasons for those reasons.
The bullet is capable of making last minute turns? What the hell is this, a Road Runner cartoon? Bullets do not make turns.
Wesley simply isn't this capable. The only way he's winning is by you claiming that he's superior to Spider-Man, which he isn't, and that his bullets are someone sentient enough to start making turns in mid air, as opposed to just curving.
You're being utterly ridiculous, dude. Seriously.
"Spider-Man will dodge, then the bullet will turn into Spider-Man.". What's the point of the thread then? If you've already decided that, why remain here? You don't care what anyone has to say, despite them being sensible, cos you've made your choice.
"The bullet turns into him.", then I says "Nah, he dodges, then dodges every other bullet.". Then you say something else, it's ridiculous. That's not what Vs fights are about, but as I said above, the thread is pointless isn't it? You've decided Wesley will win and Spider-Man can't do anything to avoid these magical bullets from the A.C.M.E. surplus warehouse, so why continue?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauriits been demonstrated that bullets fired can make last minute turns, many people did that in the movie - one man shot a bullet had it go straight and then make a 90 degree turn into a man who was hiding, another shot a bullet and had it curve a full 360 degrees
Yes, we've established you are hyping Wesley up to the point that in your mind, this is a fight he can win. That much is painfully aware.The point you're missing is; none of it makes sense. Not your reasons, nor your reasons for those reasons.
The bullet is capable of making last minute turns? What the hell is this, a Road Runner cartoon? Bullets do not make turns.
Wesley simply isn't this capable. The only way he's winning is by you claiming that he's superior to Spider-Man, which he isn't, and that his bullets are someone sentient enough to start making turns in mid air, as opposed to just curving.
You're being utterly ridiculous, dude. Seriously.
"Spider-Man will dodge, then the bullet will turn into Spider-Man.". What's the point of the thread then? If you've already decided that, why remain here? You don't care what anyone has to say, despite them being sensible, cos you've made your choice.
"The bullet turns into him.", then I says "Nah, he dodges, then dodges every other bullet.". Then you say something else, it's ridiculous. That's not what Vs fights are about, but as I said above, the thread is pointless isn't it? You've decided Wesley will win and Spider-Man can't do anything to avoid these magical bullets from the A.C.M.E. surplus warehouse, so why continue?
-AC
the point is spiderman cant dodge all of the bullets since wesley has the skill to make them curve when he wants. spiderman hasnt been shown to be that fast
theyre the same speed both perceive the world moving slowly, unless you have proof that spiderman is faster.
and you havent given anyway for spidemran to win....other than spiderman wins and when evidence is made against you...then theres no point to the topic
No, there's no point to the topic because you obviously created it just to continually say "NO! Wesley would win cos he has magical control over bullets!", whilst ignoring everything Spider-Man is capable of.
Somehow you believe that Spider-Man will be hit by everything, and Wesley will dodge everything Spider-Man does.
My point was, that you're an idiot. My more complexed point was; if that is your conclusion, and obviously has been from the beginning, why did you create the thread? You obviously didn't do it to see what others think, since you don't care, as you reply with "But no, Wesley would dodge all of Spidey's attacks and curve a Road Runner bullet into Spidey, who wouldn't dodge.". So why?
What is the purpose for this thread?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriI made the topic because I thought it would be a fun debate...no one has really proved spiderman would win I was going to take the side of who was ever losing because I thought they would be fairly matched up.
No, there's no point to the topic because you obviously created it just to continually say "NO! Wesley would win cos he has magical control over bullets!", whilst ignoring everything Spider-Man is capable of.Somehow you believe that Spider-Man will be hit by everything, and Wesley will dodge everything Spider-Man does.
My point was, that you're an idiot. My more complexed point was; if that is your conclusion, and obviously has been from the beginning, why did you create the thread? You obviously didn't do it to see what others think, since you don't care, as you reply with "But no, Wesley would dodge all of Spidey's attacks and curve a Road Runner bullet into Spidey, who wouldn't dodge.". So why?
What is the purpose for this thread?
-AC
if you cant prove spiderman can win, why post?