Wesley Gibson (Wanted) vs. Spiderman

Started by DestinyGuy6785 pages

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What are you TALKING about? He cannot curve them in mid air, he has to do the motion with the gun. He cannot do this in rapid enough succession that it's going to cover Spider-Man in such a hail of bullets that he cannot dodge them, it's just not gonna happen.

He doesn't curve them in mid air, he swings his arm, big deal.

Besides, the biggest curve it ever did was to get that guy sitting in the chair. That's not a rapid change of direction as you would have people believe, and the man sitting in the chair is not Spider-Man. Firing a gun at a Spider-Man who doesn't want to be hit means one thing; you won't hit him.

Oh for crying out loud. What, so bullets can definitely hit Spider-Man, but continually blasting him with web will get dodged? He's not strong enough to break out of he is caught under enough of it.

Yes, and why? Because that's the movie. If he had ended up getting caught with a head shot, his slow-down scene of badassery wouldn't seem half as good, would it? Every hero has a scene where they gun down a million other trained guys, but these guys usually have Stormtrooper syndrome. It happened in Equilibrium too.

He jumps through the air at distances that zoom past most of the buildings around him, so he obviously has the ability to jump over more than one.

No, you're not proving anything. You are proving why you believe that would happen, not that it would. You are INSISTING it would, which is dumb, and defeats the point of Vs fights. You don't KNOW how one person would attack, or how the other would react, so the point of Vs fights is to weigh up abilities and then decide who might/would win based on that. Not "He'd do this, then Spider-Man would get hit with this.". Says who?

I say Spider-Man would get Wesley first. How do you counter that? Even if he wasn't faster, they'd be as fast as each other, so what's saying he won't blind Wesley with web and then continually web him to the point that he can't break out, cos it'd be a constant stream of web, then Spider-Man would kill him.

There, how do you counter that? "NO! WESLEY IS FASTER! HE'D DO IT ALL FIRST!".

In the space of what? Point is, the video proves he knew it was going to happen, and it proves he's ridiculously fast.

That video, and the fact that it says so in the movie, watch it.

Was he not dodging the bullets?

You don't get it. Those slow-downs are not part of their powers, the slow-downs are for the benefit of US, so we can see just what is going on. It's now how THEY see it, it's how we HAVE to see it because it's too fast.

Again, shooting the wings off a fly with a bullet thicker than would work is a stretch of the belief too far anyway.

-AC

....yes he can, if you watched the movie, that was one of the first curved bullet feats, the man shot the bullet straight and it curved 90 degrees last minute.

after his training wesleys became the best of the fraternity, and you still havent given an proof that spiderman can dodge a bullet straight up

he doesnt have to be strong enoug hseeing as he carries a knife, or he could shoot the webbing off him. and webbing<bullets in terms of speed

except for the fact wesley had dmeonstrated many times before that to have bullet fast reaction timing and dodging/, so iunlike other movies, this isnt an example of PIS. such as when he shot his fathers bullet out of the air.

and you mean when he is webslining and catapults himself through the air...which isn't jumping.

again:

and webbing<bullets in terms of speed

wesleys guns give him a large advantage seeing as he with the guns would be able to attack first, spiderman cant reach wesley before he fires his first shot unless you somehow think spiderman moves at the speed of sound. no the reason Im stating wesley can make the first move is because he has the faster weapon.

..... 😆 the vidoe in know way proves spiderman knew what was going to happen, he heard the blades coming out and the glider rocketing towards him making a lot of noise at it did it, him dodgin wasnt precog it was common sense. his heightened senses (as demonstrated i nthe second video) gave him awareness of how fast it was approaching and he dodged it. that in no way shows he has precog

you mean where the scientist says it ALMOST like a form of precognition, and ofcourse has no idea what the spiders senses are actually like. and when we see it first hand it is shown to be simply heightened awareness, not precognition. youre going to believe one scientist who has a theory that it might be precognition.....over what hte movie actually shows us his abilities are like?

barely seeing as one the thug couldnt see him, shot blindly hoping that it would hit a foe he couldnt see and only got 1 or 2 shots off (which missed) before spiderman crashed through the car window

and no i nwanted the slow downs occur multiple times when his power is out of control and ihs senses become more aware, he takes in more details which is why he needs the pills. and you dont know what kind of bullets the fraternity use seeing as they get them specially made it is entirely possible they got a bullet small enough or that wesley erely use the bullet to slip the wing off sing it requires little force for the wings to fall off.

He won't shoot the webbing, because he has a limited amount of ammo, Spidey doesn't have limited webbing.

He wouldn't be able to use a knife, since he'd be webbed. So there, that's a scenario for you.

Spider-Man waits out of range, uses web to snare him, keeps webbing him up and then kills him when he can't do anything.

How's that? No, that's stupid, because that's not how Vs fights go. You've already DECIDED that anything Spidey does, Wesley will dodge, or do first. So again, what's the point of the thread? Nobody can prove you wrong even if we have facts, because you won't admit to being wrong. So all you will do is "Nah, Wesley would do this.".

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
He won't shoot the webbing, because he has a limited amount of ammo, Spidey doesn't have limited webbing.

He wouldn't be able to use a knife, since he'd be webbed. So there, that's a scenario for you.

Spider-Man waits out of range, uses web to snare him, keeps webbing him up and then kills him when he can't do anything.

How's that? No, that's stupid, because that's not how Vs fights go. You've already DECIDED that anything Spidey does, Wesley will dodge, or do first. So again, what's the point of the thread? Nobody can prove you wrong even if we have facts, because you won't admit to being wrong. So all you will do is "Nah, Wesley would do this.".

-AC

no I havent decided that, wesleys can dodge bullets, so why couldnt he dodge webbing it moves to slow to hit him, thats accessing his abilities, not a scenario. wesley has the faster form of attack so ofcourse hed be the first to attack.

and youre acting as if spiderman would be able t ododge a series of bullets curving at him, when you havent proven he can bullet ddge, and even if he can you havent proven he has precog, meaning wesley most likely would be able to take out spiderman in his first shots.

I think wesley should win this fight 6-7/10

Thanks for walking smack into my trap.

If you say Wesley would win six or seven out of 10, why would Wesley then lose a few of the 10?

If this is how badly you think Wesley will walk this fight, he'd surely win all of them, right? If it's THAT easy for him. Subconsciously you obviously know that Spider-Man has what it takes to win, then, and you're just saying Wesley would win more cos you like him. So we move onto the next pitfall.

Why is it out of 10? Furthermore, if we've established, BY that score, that Spider-Man can beat him at least three times (Bullshit, but let's roll with it), why won't he be able to beat him if they fight just once? Why will Wesley DEFINITELY win one fight, or roughtly about six fights? Why can't he win all of them if it's that easy?

Because the bottom line is, you know it's bs. You know Wesley doesn't win this fight, and even if he does, it's by no means anywhere near the level of ease you are suggesting, or you wouldn't have just said what you did.

Thanks for walking into the web, pardon the pun. You just revealed that your argument has more holes than a sieve bulletshield.

-AC

Your logic's a bit messed up there, bro.

I thought Wanted sucked.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Your logic's a bit messed up there, bro.

If the best he can say is that the odds are against Spider-Man, then fine, if that's what he oddly believes.

If he is promoting Wesley as being able to beat Spider-Man this easily, then he surely must be able to do it all the time, but obviously he doesn't believe so. That means we've established he feels Spidey can beat him, right? Precisely.

So, if we know that, why is he dead against anyone saying Spidey would beat Wesley in one fight? What's to say this ONE wouldn't be one of the three or four he'd win out of 10?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Thanks for walking smack into my trap.

If you say Wesley would win six or seven out of 10, why would Wesley then lose a few of the 10?

If this is how badly you think Wesley will walk this fight, he'd surely win all of them, right? If it's THAT easy for him. Subconsciously you obviously know that Spider-Man has what it takes to win, then, and you're just saying Wesley would win more cos you like him. So we move onto the next pitfall.

Why is it out of 10? Furthermore, if we've established, BY that score, that Spider-Man can beat him at least three times (Bullshit, but let's roll with it), why won't he be able to beat him if they fight just once? Why will Wesley DEFINITELY win one fight, or roughtly about six fights? Why can't he win all of them if it's that easy?

Because the bottom line is, you know it's bs. You know Wesley doesn't win this fight, and even if he does, it's by no means anywhere near the level of ease you are suggesting, or you wouldn't have just said what you did.

Thanks for walking into the web, pardon the pun. You just revealed that your argument has more holes than a sieve bulletshield.

-AC


what trap? im not stupid ofcourse there a few scenarios in which spiderman could wun, this is by no means a stomp. I never stated once it would easy for wesley. I merely believe wesley would take te slight majority due to his guns

they are ver even and there are ways spiderman could take a couple...the times out of ten system is from the comicbook forum because in any given fight there are multiple ways in which it can end.....check out some of the other vs. forums here it'll help you a lot

That still doesn't actually counter what I said.

-AC

Whats a sieve bulletshield?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That still doesn't actually counter what I said.

-AC

...then yo udidnt comprehend it. i na vs. fight ou ackowledge that there are multiple ways a fight can go, one character wont beat the other 100% of the time, so yo utake an estimate of who would win more out of 10, I believe wesley would take a larger percentage of their fights.

Yes, and now re-read what I said to find out why that shows a hole in your logic.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, and now re-read what I said to find out why that shows a hole in your logic.

-AC

...yes...and your logic is full of holes, youre not looking at this ias if it were one fight, youre looking at the chaaracters overall, and since there are multiple scenarios we use #/10 just to show the probablility that one character would win, and the odds are in favor of wesley

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
...yes...and your logic is full of holes, youre not looking at this ias if it were one fight, youre looking at the chaaracters overall, and since there are multiple scenarios we use #/10 just to show the probablility that one character would win, and the odds are in favor of wesley

You still don't actually understand what I've said.

If you believe the odds are in his favour, fine, but they are just odds. If we've established Spider-Man can win in your eyes, then why do you not concede to the fact that if they fight once, Wesley might lose?

You obviously haven't, since you think it's as easy a fight as "BANG! I SHOT YOU!".

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You still don't actually understand what I've said.

If you believe the odds are in his favour, fine, but they are just odds. If we've established Spider-Man can win in your eyes, then why do you not concede to the fact that if they fight once, Wesley might lose?

You obviously haven't, since you think it's as easy a fight as "BANG! I SHOT YOU!".

-AC

....the fact that I gave wesleys 6-7/10 means I do believe spiderman could take some.....I even stated that:

what trap? im not stupid ofcourse there a few scenarios in which spiderman could win, this is by no means a stomp. I never stated once it would be easy for wesley. I merely believe wesley would take the slight majority due to his guns

What? Listen, read what I'm saying or don't bother replying to me.

Yes, you said that if there were 10 fights, Spidey would take a few. My point was, if we know he can win some, why is ONE fight such a foregone conclusion for you? Before we got into this, the way you were describing the fight in Wesley's favour more or less gave Spidey no chance to win.

So if we know he can, why is Wesley DEFINITELY going to win the one fight they have?

If you need it explained further, I'm done with you.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What? Listen, read what I'm saying or don't bother replying to me.

Yes, you said that if there were 10 fights, Spidey would take a few. My point was, if we know he can win some, why is ONE fight such a foregone conclusion for you? Before we got into this, the way you were describing the fight in Wesley's favour more or less gave Spidey no chance to win.

So if we know he can, why is Wesley DEFINITELY going to win the one fight they have?

If you need it explained further, I'm done with you.

-AC

.....you dont seem to understand how this systme works, seriously you should spend time in the comic vs. section t ofully grasp it.

we arent looking at this as one fight, we're looking at ti in total and we see who is more prrobably to win, ofcourse there is a chance spidemran can win but a majority of the time wesley would.

If it's a fight to the death, why would they fight twice?

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
.....you dont seem to understand how this systme works, seriously you should spend time in the comic vs. section t ofully grasp it.

I more or less owned that forum from the minute I stepped onto this site back in '04, so I suggest knowing your place before you go there.

Admittedly, this was back when people there had enough common sense to ignore shit threads and let them die, as opposed to entertaining such drivel as Dr. Doom Vs Storm for 300 pages. Before all these anal rules pretty much sucked the fun out of the place.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
we arent looking at this as one fight, we're looking at ti in total and we see who is more prrobably to win, ofcourse there is a chance spidemran can win but a majority of the time wesley would.

That doesn't make sense, even still. The way you proposed Wesley's win suggests that there is no way Spidey could win, you were that biased. If it's that easy for Wesley, why would he not win them all?

If it's not that easy, why did you spend the last eternity proposing that all he'd have to do is shoot Spidey, and that this would definitely happen?

-AC

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If it's a fight to the death, why would they fight twice?
its how you determine probability, its not that hard to understand