The Authority vs Superman

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Did we ignore this? The Authority knows they're going to be in a fight too. How is being exploded not as bad as a friggin' punch?

There's also the renegade Doctor to consider, whose reformed part of his brain after being punched by Apollo. All Doctor's have the memories and skills of past Doctors. So that's valid too.

Doctor starts the fight at base level, and before he can process any thoughts, he's dead.

Even if you did believe he would continue healing from that, Superman can continue beating on him until he's out cold. Or throw him in the sun or something.

Originally posted by Starscream M
the doctor is useless...considering he likes to consult his gods before he acts, he will be long dead before he does anything

That's. well...I was going to go for some epic pwnage-style phrase there, but why bother. It's false. Plain and simple.

Originally posted by Eel O'Brian
No. That's why I stated "before he sets up defenses", because I haven't seen a Doctor heal from something that he wasn't aware he was going to be hit with.

Doctor starts the fight at base level, and before he can process any thoughts, he's dead.

Even if you did believe he would continue healing from that, Superman can continue beating on him until he's out cold. Or throw him in the sun or something.

Fair point. What's the battlefield size? I realize Kal can fly wicked fast, but can he really change directions in the millisecond or so before Doctor would perform a thought? Too many people substitute travel speed for reaction time, so I'm always a bit wary of the speedblitz proponents.

Keep in mind, he needs to do that to 2 people or it's over. Jenny can transmute too. And again, they know they're going into battle. They'll expect to be hit.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
That's. well...I was going to go for some epic pwnage-style phrase there, but why bother. It's false. Plain and simple.

Fair point. What's the battlefield size? I realize Kal can fly wicked fast, but can he really change directions in the millisecond or so before Doctor would perform a thought? Too many people substitute travel speed for reaction time, so I'm always a bit wary of the speedblitz proponents.

that's why apollo, midnighter, engineer, and others go on field....while the doctor smokes his weed and has his visions to help him

he's really useless in this fight other than wasting precious microseconds of Superman's battle focus

Originally posted by DigiMark007
That's. well...I was going to go for some epic pwnage-style phrase there, but why bother. It's false. Plain and simple.

Fair point. What's the battlefield size? I realize Kal can fly wicked fast, but can he really change directions in the millisecond or so before Doctor would perform a thought? Too many people substitute travel speed for reaction time, so I'm always a bit wary of the speedblitz proponents.

Keep in mind, he needs to do that to 2 people or it's over. Jenny can transmute too.

but Digi, don't you realize Supes doesn't need to speedblitz?

bloodlusted Superman will give everyone a HV (heatvision) lobotomy at the battle outset, he can do this from miles away before the Authority even know where he is

This is complete spite bloodlusted or otherwise..

There is just so many option the team have against Supes blitz, and lets not forget the team knows everything in regards to Supes powers, it is somethin the Engineer and Quantum abilities to manipulate to add the Doctor in there well, damn... it wouldn't be much of a fight..

Originally posted by Starscream M
no its not..the doctor (the nerdy looking guy with the specs) is not one who fights well on his feet

that's why apollo, midnighter, engineer, and others go on field....while the doctor smokes his weed and has his visions to help him

he's really useless in this fight other than wasting precious microseconds of Superman's battle focus

Alright, you need to quit acting like you know what's going on here. Jeroen is dead, so any flippant pot smoking references don't even apply here. Not that they'd be valid, because A. he's been incapacitated 1-2 times in his entire run....he wasn't constantly high. And B. we're in KMC, which assumes peak. You're assuming an incoherent junky. Bias much?

But we're talking about Habib, the current Doctor, who has his sh*t completely together. So it's a moot point.

As for the ludicrous "consult with the pantheon" comment, find me one time where he pauses mid-battle to talk with them, instead of doing it during down time when there's ample time to discuss things with them. One. You won't find it, because it doesn't exist. He's talked with them 2-3 times ever, and otherwise fights normally like everyone else.

Although consulting with his pantheon wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing....he'd be in a different dimension, where Kal couldn't touch him. Then he could come back powered up to nigh-Skyfather level and laugh away Supes. Or just remotely transmute him from his home dimension. Or numerous other methods that would defeat him just as easily. Just more evidence that you really don't have a clue what you're talking about.

I don't have a problem with a speedblitz win. Though again, I remain dubious because you have 2 people who could erase him with a thought. But if you think he'd do it, fine. No argument. But pretty much everything else you're saying is wrong.

Originally posted by Starscream M
default battlefield they start .5km apart

but Digi, don't you realize Supes doesn't need to speedblitz?

bloodlusted Superman will give everyone a HV (heatvision) lobotomy at the battle outset, he can do this from miles away before the Authority even know where he is

Which again raises the same speed question. Could he look every place and tag each member before they form a thought, and get through the considerable durability of more than a few of them? The Authority doesn't need to know where he is...they could just make a bubble around themselves that transmutes heat vision into ice cream. So it's the same speed vs. power question. If he pulls it off in time, he wins. If not, he loses handily.

Originally posted by DigiMark007

Which again raises the same speed question. Could he look every place and tag each member before they form a thought, and get through the considerable durability of more than a few of them?

wouldnt a bloodlusted superman just take out the primary threat first....aka the doctor.

after that, the authority may have their defenses up, but my opinion is that a bloodlusted superman would take them down...but I may be wrong, because I wasn't aware jenny could make someone disappear with but a thought, if that's the case, and she could actually track Superman, then you have a good case that Supes loses

I still say Supes loses.

Originally posted by Starscream M
he doesn't need to tag all of them at the start.

wouldnt a bloodlusted superman just take out the primary threat first....aka the doctor.

after that, the authority may have their defenses up, but my opinion is that a bloodlusted superman would take them down...but I may be wrong, because I wasn't aware jenny could make someone disappear with but a thought, if that's the case, and she could actually track Superman, then you have a good case that Supes loses

Jenny can transmute people as well. And we technically don't have a good base-level durability for her. She might be as tough as she is powerful. In any case, Kal needs to take out 2 people who can erase him with a thought. Hell, we could have Apollo come out shielding the two. B-list Supes clone, but assuredly enough durability to last until they form a thought. Apollo can speedblitz too, btw. Just not quite as much as Kal. Just another "yeah, but..." that makes it a bit harder to unequivocally say "speedblitz 10/10"

And are you going to ignore the rest of my post there? Or just cut your losses? Seriously, I'm cool with Supes winning via speedblitz despite the possible roadblocks I've pointed out that such a tactic might encounter. But at least try to know what you're talking about in a thread...admitting ignorance is fine, but pretending to know stuff that you don't is insulting.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Jenny can transmute people as well. And we technically don't have a good base-level durability for her. She might be as tough as she is powerful. In any case, Kal needs to take out 2 people who can erase him with a thought.

And are you going to ignore the rest of my post there? Or just cut your losses? Seriously, I'm cool with Supes winning via speedblitz despite the possible roadblocks I've pointed out that such a tactic might encounter. But at least try to know what you're talking about in a thread...admitting ignorance is fine, but pretending to know stuff that you don't is insulting.

Im very illinformed about the authority...I made this thread cuz I read an authority tpb today (the one where they are facing the socalled 'god' who is taking over the moon and the earth)

in that comic, the most impressive feat jenny had was grabbing the balls of all the male teammates in her viselike grip form of leadership, and the nerdy doctor did nothing besides conversing with the pantheon...so color me unimpressed

I didnt realize there was another doctor...and I had no idea that the doctor and jenny could do the things you just stated, since then demonstrated not even 1% of such power in the paperback I read

Originally posted by Starscream M
no im not ignoring it

Im very illinformed about the authority...I made this thread cuz I read an authority tpb today (the one where they are facing the socalled 'god' who is taking over the moon and the earth)

in that comic, the most impressive feat jenny had was grabbing the balls of all the male teammates in her viselike grip form of leadership, and the nerdy doctor did nothing besides conversing with the pantheon...so color me unimpressed

I didnt realize there was another doctor...and I had no idea that the doctor and jenny could do the things you just stated, since then demonstrated not even 1% of such power in the paperback I read

That's not current Jenny either. That was Jenny Sparks, her predecessor, who definitely isn't anywhere near the level of current. We have her as a High Meta in the tiers thread. The comic you read was from the late 90's. But did you read the whole thing? That TPB should have the birth of Jenny Quantum later on in it.

If you want to know more about their powers, I'd recommend the respect thread. it's pretty much everything any of them has ever done.

Everyone is coming up with some nice arguments on how the authority could win against every day supes but nothing thats going to save them from bloodlusted supes,yes digimark superman bloodlusted could take every single one of their heads off before anyone there realizes he was doing anything there wont be a defense at all against a several millions times the speed of light blitz,speedblitz headpunch or nuke the whole planet with heat vision take your pick.

Doctor can reconstitute himself any time during the battle and end it. As long as there is one ally left taking the hits. Bloodlusted Superman with heat vision couldn't even end Diana at the ring of a start bell. I don't he's going to take out the entire Authority team.

He's never done a several millions times the speed of light blitz. Ever. He's never taken down a team like this in an instant. Closest he came was when he took down Manchester Black's when he got serious. And even then, it took him more than a few seconds. And seconds is all the Doctor or Jenny Quantum needs to end this. Even if Doctor was busted at the outset, he could reconstitute himself as long as someone was struggling. The importance of another person struggling is to give the Doctor time to reconstitute himself so Superman's opponents aren't all knocked out.

This is spite. Superman's mythical pwnzorz speedblitz has as much relevance as Anna Kournikova giving you a blowjob. The idea itself is ludicrous, it's never happened before, and it'll never actually happen except in your dreams.

Give Habib time to think, and he solos.

The only real question is whether a bloodlusted Superman would do so or not. I feel the answer is a decided 'no.'

If you disagree, *shrug* your prerogative, but that's really all this fight comes down to.

What is Superman's rate of acceleration? Can he go from 0 to C (or >C) instantaneously or does he require acceleration to achieve those speeds?

couldnt a bloodlusted superman just destroy the planet

Originally posted by illadelph12
What is Superman's rate of acceleration? Can he go from 0 to C (or >C) instantaneously or does he require acceleration to achieve those speeds?

he could lobotomize or disintegrate habib the second the battle starts

Originally posted by Starscream M
he doesn't need to tag all of them at the start.

wouldnt a bloodlusted superman just take out the primary threat first....aka the doctor.

Cool, now that you admit that Superman is going after the Doctor first. That gives Jenny Q the time she needs to erase him.

What part of this don't you get?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
And The Doctor got exploded by Jenny and reconstituted himself. Speedblitz for the LOSS. Hell, he could slow down time around him in a localized area as well (Jeroen did it for a whole city) and it would work as well.

Originally posted by Starscream M

oh please...Superman is BLOODLUSTED

he ain't playing around

the doctor and jenny get two holes on their foreheads the second the battle starts, and the rest is pretty much you can imagine...superman will rip them apart

remember, Superman knows who are the highlevel threats...and he's smart enough to eliminate them at battle's start

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