The Authority vs Superman

Started by llagrok5 pages

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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Authority is the MOST over-rate team on KMC. EASILY.

You beat up a third tier rip off of an estabished character in Wildstorm and suddenly everyone thinks you are god. I'm surprised no one on KMC has argued that Axel Brass could beat Superman to be honest.

So the doctor, with basically unlimited reality warping. What class is he then? Low herald, with your Wolverine?

Originally posted by Starscream M
you're seriously making jenny and doctor seem like transcendant class figures...would they pwn Odin or Galactus as well...seems like it if they could take out heralds with but a thought

They are trans characters, easily... JQ created her own ****ing minature dimension. Doctor has high level matter manip or reality warping...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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Authority is the MOST over-rate team on KMC. EASILY.

You beat up a third tier rip off of an estabished character in Wildstorm and suddenly everyone thinks you are god. I'm surprised no one on KMC has argued that Axel Brass could beat Superman to be honest.

Since I allow myself to get roped into most Authority threads, I don't really see them as overrated. Most consider them rip-offs, and assume that they are far below whoever they're borrowed from. In Apollo's case, he really is lower. But make a Doctor v. Strange thread, for example, and watch the Strange supporters talk him up just based on rep, and downplay Doc for the same reason....even though it would be a great fight. Don't actually make it though, it's already been done.

The other classic ploy is to point out their lack of "competition".....they kill most villains so there aren't recurring ones. People then assume that they're far beneath standard Marvel/DC power levels because they lack the "big name" status in their rogues galleries.

Originally posted by Starscream M
you're seriously making jenny and doctor seem like transcendant class figures...would they pwn Odin or Galactus as well...seems like it if they could take out heralds with but a thought

They can. Doctors have transmuted entire groups of heroes into flowers. Habib froze Majestic in place while drinking a soda. I'm not making stuff up. Odin and Galactus is pushing it, but they're legit Sub-Skyfather. Piece together Doctor's best feats into a hypothetical "potential" and you'd be looking at something dangerously close to Skyfather.

Originally posted by llagrok
So the doctor, with basically unlimited reality warping. What class is he then? Low herald, with your Wolverine?

They are trans characters, easily... JQ created her own ****ing minature dimension. Doctor has high level matter manip or reality warping...

It's been firmly established as matter manip. Reality warping it ain't, and a few of his failures have pressed home that point. But otherwise, yeah.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
It's been firmly established as matter manip. Reality warping it ain't, and a few of his failures have pressed home that point. But otherwise, yeah.

Fair enough.

He gets Trans easily though and by looking at the issues where the "evil doctor" got a hold of his powers. Mad.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Since I allow myself to get roped into most Authority threads, I don't really see them as overrated. Most consider them rip-offs, and assume that they are far below whoever they're borrowed from. In Apollo's case, he really is lower. But make a Doctor v. Strange thread, for example, and watch the Strange supporters talk him up just based on rep, and downplay Doc for the same reason....even though it would be a great fight. Don't actually make it though, it's already been done.

The other classic ploy is to point out their lack of "competition".....they kill most villains so there aren't recurring ones. People then assume that they're far beneath standard Marvel/DC power levels because they lack the "big name" status in their rogues galleries.

Even the Doctor and Jenny - powerful as they may be - both have been rendered useless by a low level telepath. The Authority rips apart homage teams with brutal ease and everyone thinks "Oh shit, the Authority sure are powerful"... but have failed to take down Stormwatch and even GEN 13. Ask your self what strength feats does Apollo have? What combat speed feats does he have? Virtually none, he has a few flight speed feats... but even Swift has managed to keep up with him. If we are being honest, Apollo is closer to Rogue in power then he is Superman... and he runs out of power faster than a standard AAA battery in a digital camera. And yet people have said that he could hold his own agaisnt Sups for a while? Don't make me laugh. Midnighter? His best strength feat is whacking a guy with a fridge. He has been in a wheel chair for days after getting his arm and both his legs broken. He has less than half a dozen speed feats (all of which have been replicated or topped by standard streets)... and people aruge he can take Wolverine 8/10 in fight? Which is almost as insane as people thinking that Hawksmoore is a match for Iron-man.... which sadly is also the case.

I love Wildstorm and the Authority - I mean - they are no Planetary, or Wildcats but their books are still good. But based on what they've actually accomplished (with the exception of the Doctor and Jenny), they aren't nearly as powerful as KMC makes them out to be.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Even the Doctor and Jenny - powerful as they may be - both have been rendered useless by a low level telepath. The Authority rips apart homage teams with brutal ease and everyone thinks "Oh shit, the Authority sure are powerful"... but have failed to take down Stormwatch and even GEN 13. Ask your self what strength feats does Apollo have? What combat speed feats does he have? Virtually none, he has a few flight speed feats... but even Swift has managed to keep up with him. If we are being honest, Apollo is closer to Rogue in power then he is Superman... and he runs out of power faster than a standard AAA battery in a digital camera. And yet people have said that he could hold his own agaisnt Sups for a while? Don't make me laugh. Midnighter? His best strength feat is whacking a guy with a fridge. He has been in a well chair for days after getting his arm and both his legs broken. He has less than half a dozen speed feats (all of which have been replicated or topped by standard streets)... and people aruge he can take Wolverine 8/10 in fight? Which is almost as insane as people thinking that Hawksmoore is a match for Iron-man.... which sadly is also the case.

I love Wildstorm and the Authority - I mean - they are no Planetary, or Wildcats but their books are still good. But based on what they've actually accomplished (with the exception of the Doctor and Jenny), they aren't nearly as powerful as KMC makes them out to be.

I made a Mythbuster post about Doctor's telepathic skill. It's the first link in his section in the respect thread. You should read it. Kinda puts your opening point(s) in perspective.

Jenny's vulnerable to telepaths. They even admitted that the fight would've been over in the opening seconds if King hadn't been able to take her mind over and have her fight Doctor. I'm not sure what you're proving by saying Stormwatch didn't get pwned. Take those two out, which they did, and they're fairly well-matched.

As for the rest, you seem to have some sort of irrational hatred for them by trying to attack by using scattered feats that aren't representative of their true power. If I ever work with something beyond the facts, let me know. I rarely, if ever, do. And I'm also of the mind that clearing the moon or destroying a continent-sized space station >>> Rogue, and that an angry, trillion-ton+ fighting metal-and-concrete city >>>> a guy in a metal suit, regardless of how powerful the suit is. You can disagree, it's your choice.

Though I've never backed MN'er vs. Logan. I think Wolverine wins the majority. So don't generalize...there's good points on both sides.

Anyway, that was clearly off-topic. I'd ask you to refrain in the future.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Apollo has superspeed as well. He'd be able to cover the Doctor.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

He's never done a several millions times the speed of light blitz. Ever. He's never taken down a team like this in an instant. Closest he came was when he took down Manchester Black's when he got serious. And even then, it took him more than a few seconds. And seconds is all the Doctor or Jenny Quantum needs to end this. Even if Doctor was busted at the outset, he could reconstitute himself as long as someone was struggling. The importance of another person struggling is to give the Doctor time to reconstitute himself so Superman's opponents aren't all knocked out.

This is spite. Superman's mythical pwnzorz speedblitz has as much relevance as Anna Kournikova giving you a blowjob. The idea itself is ludicrous, it's never happened before, and it'll never actually happen except in your dreams.

Superman heard Reed's cry for help 25 million lightyears away. He arrived about an hour later.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Superman heard Reed's cry for help 25 million lightyears away. He arrived about an hour later.

That's not exactly the average of his showings though. Superman can probably do a couple of times faster than lightspeed.

Originally posted by llagrok
That's not exactly the average of his showings though. Superman can probably do a couple of times faster than lightspeed.
When Jimmy Olsen signaled for him in Countdown, he flew over 20 lightyears in just a few moments time.

He also has several feats well past a dozen times lightspeed. Including sun and back trips, the Lex 2000 when he flew to the moon of saturn, etc etc.

Originally posted by llagrok
How so?

Because everyone could solo Wolverine? 😆

But not Swift....she's useless imo.

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
But not Swift....she's useless imo.

She really is. Jubilee would take her.

I hate Swift.

Shit ass character.

Originally posted by Juntai
When Jimmy Olsen signaled for him in Countdown, he flew over 20 lightyears in just a few moments time.

He also has several feats well past a dozen times lightspeed. Including sun and back trips, the Lex 2000 when he flew to the moon of saturn, etc etc.

I'm well aware of Superman's gazillion times FTL feats, that's not his average though. Even the Sentry has a great deal of FTL feats.

Authority for the win

Originally posted by llagrok
She really is. Jubilee would take her.

I hate Swift.

Shit ass character.

I'm well aware of Superman's gazillion times FTL feats, that's not his average though. Even the Sentry has a great deal of FTL feats.

Swift's origin makes very little sense in the light of "classic" buddhism. They don't accept female "saints" of any kind (mainstream buddhism of course), let alone alien looking one- there are no "angels" in that culture. Swift's story could have happened in Japan... but becoming "patron saint" of Tibet is just silly and unreal.

Originally posted by llagrok
What class is he then? Low herald, with your Wolverine?
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