Originally posted by Metalmanx
Slight edge to Ult. Cap.Bone-claw Wolverine has lost one of his huge advantages. And his claws are definitely NOT going through the shield, as it is solid adamantium.
He holds absolutly not advantage in this fight.
but of courses I not really surpized you think ulitmate capt wins given your thoughts on wolverine.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
how do you give ulitmate capt the edge?He holds absolutly not advantage in this fight.
but of courses I not really surpized you think ulitmate capt wins given your thoughts on wolverine.
This is coming from the person who never surprises anyone with his immediate backing of Wolverine in nearly every versus match. 😬
But, I'll play your game.
Their speed is comparable, if not downright even. Strength advantage probably goes to Cap, but it's also marginal. Battle tactics goes to Cap. Agility is comparable/equal. Durability goes to Cap. But resiliency goes to Wolverine.
I gotta go, but I'll try and get back to this argument later.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
This is coming from the person who never surprises anyone with his immediate backing of Wolverine in nearly every versus match. 😬
But, I'll play your game.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Their speed is comparable, if not downright even.
No it not nor does his feats show this to be true.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Strength advantage probably goes to Cap, but it's also marginal.
Doubt ful he done nothing to suggest he ahs any superior strength to wolverine
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Battle tactics goes to Cap. Agility is comparable/equal. Durability goes to Cap.
and he also inferior to wolverine in terms of skill.
Prove that capt has superior durabilty he done nothing to suggest he has superior durability to 616 capt let a lone wolverine.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
But resiliency goes to Wolverine.I gotta go, but I'll try and get back to this argument later.
Lol. it funny you give capt the edge.
even if phsyically they were equal in every area. Wolverine would still have a massive advantage in terms of damage soaking which a lone would give him the win. Then add in the fact he has superior fighting skills, training and experiences and it a pritty one sided match up.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
This is coming from the person who never surprises anyone with his immediate backing of Wolverine in nearly every versus match. 😬But, I'll play your game.
Their speed is comparable, if not downright even. Strength advantage probably goes to Cap, but it's also marginal. Battle tactics goes to Cap. Agility is comparable/equal. Durability goes to Cap. But resiliency goes to Wolverine.
I gotta go, but I'll try and get back to this argument later.
Dont agree, wolverine is the better fighter and has proven to be faster but I give the edge in strength to ultimate cap. Wolverine healing ability was off the chart at bone claw state. Ultimate cap has shown nothing yet that make me think that he could get 3/10 over wolverine let alone a majority.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Their speed is comparable, if not downright even.
Possibly.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Strength advantage probably goes to Cap, but it's also marginal.
Fair enough.
Originally posted by MetalmanxBattle tactics goes to Cap.
Totally disagree, if you were talking about 616 Cap this would be different but 616 Wolverine has much more experience and training. I don't always think that this giives Wolverine the majority but I haven't seen anything from Ult Cap that makes him look better at h2h or battle tactics.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Agility is comparable/equal.
Ive never seen Ult cap slip between bullets.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Durability goes to Cap. But resiliency goes to Wolverine.I gotta go, but I'll try and get back to this argument later.
It seems to me that Bone Claw could still beat Cap with one-shot in the right place.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It seems to me if you want Wolverine vs. Cap (any Cap) to be anything even resembling a fight.... you shouldn't have to battlefield be a forest.
Just Curious, when 2 combatants are h2h, face to face..what diference does the scenary make?
they're hardly gonna loose sight of eachother - standing head to head..
unless i missed somthing. 😮
Originally posted by Juk3nthey don't start head to head. The default rules has them start .5 km apart. that gives wolverine plenty of time to get the drop on Ult.Cap and start the fight in his favor.
Just Curious, when 2 combatants are h2h, face to face..what diference does the scenary make?they're hardly gonna loose sight of eachother - standing head to head..
unless i missed somthing. 😮
There's also the option of ulling hit and run tactics. "Tagging" Ult.Cap before disappearing again. with more cover its herder to track, or keep track, of wolverine.
With Wolverine's senses Ult.Cap can't pull the same.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Just Curious, when 2 combatants are h2h, face to face..what diference does the scenary make?they're hardly gonna loose sight of eachother - standing head to head..
unless i missed somthing. 😮
You don't read wolverine much do you? He has numerous times disapeared right before peoples eyes and is perhaps one of the stealthiest people on the planet.
oh and on top of that he very good at fighting in the woods and has far more experiences doing so then ulitmate capt.
Originally posted by Creshosk
they don't start head to head. The default rules has them start .5 km apart. that gives wolverine plenty of time to get the drop on Ult.Cap and start the fight in his favor.There's also the option of ulling hit and run tactics. "Tagging" Ult.Cap before disappearing again. with more cover its herder to track, or keep track, of wolverine.
With Wolverine's senses Ult.Cap can't pull the same.
ahh oki, the .5 km rule is what i didnt take into account, my bad.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully there not head to head there quite a distances away...........You don't read wolverine much do you? He has numerous times disapeared right before peoples eyes and is perhaps one of the stealthiest people on the planet.
oh and on top of that he very good at fighting in the woods and has far more experiences doing so then ulitmate capt.
I've been reading Wolverine for 25 years.
Show me 5 issues where he "disappeared right before people's eyes."
Perhaps one of the stealthiest people on the planet? Not. Even. Close.
Captain America is by FAR the better tactician - and he always "finds a way."
...and didn't Cyber break one of Wolverine's bone claws with his HANDS?
Yep. Wolverine #79.
LoL @ Wolverine getting "the drop" on Captain America. If Batman couldn't, Wolverine sure couldn't.
Originally posted by NeverWhen did Batman ever fight Ultimate Captain America?
I've been reading Wolverine for 25 years.Show me 5 issues where he "disappeared right before people's eyes."
Perhaps one of the stealthiest people on the planet? Not. Even. Close.
Captain America is by FAR the better tactician - and he always "finds a way."
...and didn't Cyber break one of Wolverine's bone claws with his HANDS?
Yep. Wolverine #79.
LoL @ Wolverine getting "the drop" on Captain America. If Batman couldn't, Wolverine sure couldn't.
Oh and as per your request:
Originally posted by jinzin
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[B]Wolverine Moves Faster Than The Human Eye Can Follow
================================================Wolverine moves faster than Mac Hudson can comprehend:
1. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6031/fastgl6.jpgWhen Wolverine is freed from mind control, his vengeance is faster than the human eye can follow:
1. http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6444/namortoofastzm2.jpg
2. http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3582/namortoofast2tw4.jpgWolverine and Sabretooth are capable of moving nearly faster than Psylockes mind can follow/track:
1. http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8915/sabesab5.jpgA host of men shoot at Wolverine; He moves so fast to avoid the gunfire that it appears as if he's vanished:
1. http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3725/speedbarvw6.jpgWolverine attacks a thug. He speedblitzes the man before he can use his trigger finger and his claws come out but he retracts them before the punch, faster than anyone recognizes.
1. http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8892/speedhelennb3.jpg
2. http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5967/speedhelen2ak9.jpgWolverine moves faster than the eye can see do destroy a danger room robot:
1. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/855/fasterthaneyescanfollowpw5.jpgThe prime sentinal model moves too fast for scott summers to even track; Wolverine however is fast enough to dodge his lasers AND deal with him accordingly:
1. http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3834/vnewsentinalfl6.jpg
2. http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1060/vnewsentinal2sy1.jpgWolverine cuts off Giests entire skin tight bionic suit in the time it takes him to say a nice clean shave: Not only did he do it faster than hell, but Giest doesn't even register that Logan even touched him:
1. http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2959/wolverine40pe3.jpg
2. http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7945/wolverine41gz4.jpgWolverine rips the suit off of Doc Samson before he could even put up a defense, Simon’s under mind control, but still an impressive showing of
comparative speed; which objectively speaking wasn’t affected by the mind control in other subjects of the same arc:
1. http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/892/samsonripdp5.jpg
2. http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6002/samsonrip2od2.jpg(non 616) Wolverine and Sabretooth speedblitze around Havoc for a full on conversation:
1. http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8189/speedblitze2si8.jpgWolverine cut's the barrels off of multiple guns so fast that the gunmen aren't even aware of what's just happened:
1. http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9347/wolverine18220lowresrb7.jpg
2. http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/2038/fasttthp5.jpg============
Random Stuff
============With storm zipping around at a decent speed, Wolverine doesn't even have to look at her to cut the cape from her shoulders without touching her:
1. http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7452/uxm178pg03lowresym9.jpgSabretooth get's speedblitzed in his first encounter with the Native:
1. http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6002/wolverinev3013p08zz1fe1.jpg
2. http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4099/wolverinev3013p09xd2yg4.jpg
3. http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5549/wolverinev3013p10qv4ky8.jpg
However Wolverine's able to keep up with her superhuman speed in combat:
1. http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3000/wolverinev314pyratedcppmf3.jpgWolverine uses his impressive speed to make way to a wall, cut out a square from the wall and use it to catch nightcrawler; This also double stands as an example of Wolverine's impressive strength:
1. http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7726/elfcatchinlv7.jpgWolverine and x-23 do the after-image thang:
1. http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7895/x235go7.pngWolverine blitzes a group of men through some trees and runs off carrying Archie so fast that no one’s even able to get off a shot on him before he disappears:
1. http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6117/archieblitzeee0.jpgThe Hunter in Darkness creature is too fast for James and Heather Hudson usng their Vindicator suits.. But not for Wolverine:
1. http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/2825/huntertoofastcm2.jpg
2. http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4834/huntertoofast2mj0.jpgThe last guy who tried to use this battle suit got nailed by one of the Hunters because they were too fast: But Wolverine's reflexes can deal:
1. http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/833/reflexes5hindge1.jpg
2. http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3380/huntertoofast3uw9.jpg
2. http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3697/suitju1.jpg
4. http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4363/reflexes7hindop7.jpgWolverine moves from the second base to the outfield in a split second and catches a baseball with his middle claw before it can clock a day dreaming Storm.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Speed/UncannyX-Men37906Speed.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Speed/UncannyX-Men37907Speed.jpgWolverine manages to deflect a spear thrown by Dracula that is only feet away from Cyclops even though Wolverine starts out from behind Cyclops' body... and one imagines Dracula can throw a pretty mean spear.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Speed/UncannyX-MenAnnual0627Speed.jpgWolverine uses his sheer speed to save the X-Men from a rampant Danger Room:
1. http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8098/savesxmenindangerroomtf8.jpgWolverine has to dodge and avoid the blows of a village full of fighters skilled enough to kill him with one blow:
1. http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7449/villlagetm0.jpgMagma throws a blast in Wolverine's direction, he vanishes before it even hits the drapes that were in front of him:
1. http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6965/magmasblastspeedwg0.jpgBats an incoming speedball away without even looking:
1. http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/948/speedballfj1mw3.jpgOkay this feat is insane; Not only does Wolverine tag speed demon but if you look at the panel above that, he's right behind speed demon's straight sprint flipping and bounding and he isn't losing much ground 😐 . :
1. http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1830/strategyte6.jpgWolverine teaching Kitty Pride some various fighting skills utterly dismantle's two metallic practice dummies; And he does it in an estimated two seconds:
1. http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6633/twosecondstt9.jpg
2. http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4643/twoseconds3cd9.jpg
3. http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5056/twoseconds2sy3.jpgBlade basically equates Wolverine's speed to be much faster than a human, and suggests he's faster than vampires as well:
1. http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8333/bladexg0.jpg
2. http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7841/blade7dh3.jpgWolverine blitzes a Brood Queen infested Xavier with his mental powers before she can defend herself from his attack… Though, she does catch him with a psy-bolt on his descent:
1. http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5900/xavierbroodkb0.jpg
2. http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9388/xavierbrood2qs0.jpg
3. http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5360/xavierbrood3pu0.jpg
4. http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8679/xavierbrood4ep4.jpg [/B]
Remember this is ULTIMATE Captain America... You really think Phantom Zone would be arguing for Wolverine if it was 616 Cap?
Um, LMAO.
Who wrote those "summations?" They're terrible, and most of them are gross exaggerations. For example, "his vengeance is faster than human eyes can follow?" WHERE does it say that on the panel? It says his CLAWS flash faster than the eyes can follow - and that's nothing. A cobra strikes faster than the eye can follow, as does a rattlesnake strike, as does a cat's paw.
Grab a knife. Slash down as fast as you can. Can someone watching you follow the knife? NO. Can you even keep track of a fly buzzing around the room the entire time?
No.
Do you have any of those comics?
Even in the danger room one whomever wrote it says "Wolverine moves faster than the human eye can follow..." WRONG. His claws do. Do you watch boxing? How many times have punches moved faster than your eyes could follow?
Those "writeups" are as hilarious as they are wrong. LoL, look at the last one. It's from Uncanny X-Men #167, I think. Notice how he forgot to include where she caught him right in the back with a FULL jolt of poison from her stinger in #166? Anyway, he dove over her, acting like he was going to slash one thing and decided to slash her stinger. He "blitzed her?" LoL, he DOVE at her.
And where did he "disappear right before anyone's eyes?" Not in any of them. That's precisely what I asked about.
Odd. All of this speed and he couldn't touch Spiderman in Secret Wars #3? Or dodge Silver Samurai in Uncanny X-Men #173? Or Elektra in Elekra and Wolverine? He sure couldn't dodge MARROW when she shoved that bone through his throat.
Never said Batman fought Ult Cap America. Perhaps I should use "wouldn't" instead of "couldn't."
Originally posted by Creshosk
So you ignore what DOES exist, and make up shit that doesn't. Yeah you're going to be a typical troll.
You can't possibly be talking to me.
Typical troll. LMAO, you better ask somebody from 2004.
And WHAT exists, genius? The fact that someone took 20+ pictures and gave us HIS interpretation of the action in the panels - and interpreted it INCORRECTLY?
