Originally posted by Never
I've been reading Wolverine for 25 years.
Originally posted by Never
Show me 5 issues where he "disappeared right before people's eyes."
Vanishes before a bunch of shooters eyes
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does it again
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Wolverine vanishing before I meta human I believe
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Logan vanishes before a bunch of soldiers eyes.
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Originally posted by Never
Perhaps one of the stealthiest people on the planet? Not. Even. Close.
Originally posted by Never
Captain America is by FAR the better tactician - and he always "finds a way."
Originally posted by Never
...and didn't Cyber break one of Wolverine's bone claws with his HANDS?Yep. Wolverine #79.
Originally posted by Never
LoL @ Wolverine getting "the drop" on Captain America. If Batman couldn't, Wolverine sure couldn't.
At work right now Battlespammer, and will respond fully in a bit.
First - your "I doubt that" comment? I have thousands of comic books. I'll write "Battlehammer snorts Ajax" on a piece of paper, place it on top of them, and take a picture.
You said Wolverine lifts 30 tons? LMAO.
Where? Show me who said he lifts 30 tons. Someone from MARVEL. Not here:
"While possessing the adamantium skeleton, Wolverine's strength was increased to the human maximum, making him capable of lifting (pressing) 800 lbs."
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/w/wolverine.htm
In the online Marvel Directory his strength level is IDENTICAL to Captain America's: 4 out of 7. That was updated in 2005 to give Wolverine 800lb - 2 ton strength.
SOOO where did you get 30 tons from? Your booty?
More later - and it won't be pretty.
(Battlehammer sucks, btw. World of Warcraft is where it's at)
Originally posted by NeverYou said Wolverine lifts 30 tons? LMAO.
Where? Show me who said he lifts 30 tons. Someone from MARVEL.
(Battlehammer sucks, btw. World of Warcraft is where it's at)
i think Battlehammer meant CYBER used some 30 ton strength and adamantium claws to break Wolverines bone claws, not that wolverine can lift 30 tons. A simple mis-understanding i think.
And (sorry to go off topic), isnt the game call WARHAMMER 40k - that you are comparing to WoW?
i heer reeding iz gud.
and back on topic, Reen wins Majority/ 7+
Originally posted by Never
I've been reading Wolverine for 25 years.Show me 5 issues where he "disappeared right before people's eyes."
Perhaps one of the stealthiest people on the planet? Not. Even. Close.
Captain America is by FAR the better tactician - and he always "finds a way."
...and didn't Cyber break one of Wolverine's bone claws with his HANDS?
Yep. Wolverine #79.
LoL @ Wolverine getting "the drop" on Captain America. If Batman couldn't, Wolverine sure couldn't.
Wolverine has vanished from sight while Nightcrawler was staring at him, he has done it to the Serpent Society, random fodder and I think Psylocke once. He's also done it when he goes to scout ahead of the X-Men... but that isn't exactly the same thing I guess.
Wolverine has broken into the Baxter Building twice (I think it was even stated he was one of two people cable of it) and remained unnoticed for an impressive amount of time; and when he broke into Stark Tower's no one even knew he was there until he showed himself to Spider-woman. No one is stealthier than Logan.
Cyber overpowered Stronguy... soooo... whats your point?
Originally posted by Never
(Battlehammer sucks, btw. World of Warcraft is where it's at)
Warhammer dude, WARHAMMER.
... and everything about Warhammer (40k or otherwise) >>> Warcraft. The only reason Warcraft even exists is because Blizz couldn't get the Warhammer licence, so they decided to rip it off instead.
Originally posted by srankmissingninofftopic: I'm sure blizzard is laughing all the way to the bank....and warhammer is still trying to get even a small fraction of the success of WOW (disclaimer: I do not play WOW...at all, so not a fanboy)
Warhammer dude, WARHAMMER.... and everything about Warhammer (40k or otherwise) >>> Warcraft. The only reason Warcraft even exists is because Blizz couldn't get the Warhammer licence, so they decided to rip it off instead.
Originally posted by Starscream M
offtopic: I'm sure blizzard is laughing all the way to the bank....and warhammer is still trying to get even a small fraction of the success of WOW (disclaimer: I do not play WOW...at all, so not a fanboy)
Warhammer is on of the premier table top fantasy wargames. It has a huge fallowing and has been around for more than 20 years. It is immensely successful, without any consideration to the video games based on the licence.
I do play WoW, I've played it since launch. I've played every major MMO and I'm pretty sure WAR is going to kick it straight in the crotch... which will hurt even more because AoC just did the same thing. 😎
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I do play WoW, I've played it since launch. I've played every major MMO and I'm pretty sure WAR is going to kick it straight in the crotch... which will hurt even more because AoC just did the same thing. 😎
perhaps...but given how long WOW has been around, its a given sooner or later people are gonna gravitate to other things.
You know Blizzard is already working on WOW2.
Also, Starcraft 2 is coming out soon, and that is gonna consume the PC gaming world.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine has vanished from sight while Nightcrawler was staring at him, he has done it to the Serpent Society, random fodder and I think Psylocke once. He's also done it when he goes to scout ahead of the X-Men... but that isn't exactly the same thing I guess.Wolverine has broken into the Baxter Building twice (I think it was even stated he was one of two people cable of it) and remained unnoticed for an impressive amount of time; and when he broke into Stark Tower's no one even knew he was there until he showed himself to Spider-woman. No one is stealthier than Logan.
Cyber overpowered Stronguy... soooo... whats your point?
Name the issues where he "disappeared right before people's eyes." Just saying he did it has nooooo merit whatsoever.
I know it's Warhammer. It was a play on his name (BattleSPAMMER, BattleHAMMER).
There are NINJAS in Marvel who are stealthier than Logan. ELEKTRA is stealthier.
"She is also able to keep to the shadows and move with such speed that she can remain unseen even in daylight, thus explaining why she is Marvel's top killer. She cannot be seen in a dim lighted room and she can't be detected if she is in a warehouse of any sort and kind."
Uh...Elektra has moved so fast UNDERWATER that she was a blur.
Show me ONE entry in a Wolverine bio where it says he can remain unseen in daylight? Not a WRITER'S one-time interpretation of his character. ONE writer had Venom defeat Juggernaut. Give me a break.
If he meant CYBER (which is not how he wrote it), then show where it says CYBER can lift 30 tons? Cyber's strength is shown to be relatively equal to Sabretooth's.
Spiderman is stronger than both - and Spidey only lifts about TEN tons.
Yes, let's wait for Battlehammer to get back and make it "get ugly." LMAO.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
This is coming from the person who never surprises anyone with his immediate backing of Wolverine in nearly every versus match. 😬But, I'll play your game.
Their speed is comparable, if not downright even. Strength advantage probably goes to Cap, but it's also marginal. Battle tactics goes to Cap. Agility is comparable/equal. Durability goes to Cap. But resiliency goes to Wolverine.
I gotta go, but I'll try and get back to this argument later.
Coming from a guy who gives the majority to EVERYONE over Wolverine?
Durability nor tactis go to Cap.
Originally posted by NeverReported for trolling. wave
You can't possibly be talking to me.Typical troll. LMAO, you better ask somebody from 2004.
And WHAT exists, genius? The fact that someone took 20+ pictures and gave us HIS interpretation of the action in the panels - and interpreted it INCORRECTLY?
Originally posted by NeverAnd member bashing. doped
At work right now Battlespammer, and will respond fully in a bit.First - your "I doubt that" comment? I have thousands of comic books. I'll write "Battlehammer snorts Ajax" on a piece of paper, place it on top of them, and take a picture.
You said Wolverine lifts 30 tons? LMAO.
Where? Show me who said he lifts 30 tons. Someone from MARVEL. Not here:
"While possessing the adamantium skeleton, Wolverine's strength was increased to the human maximum, making him capable of lifting (pressing) 800 lbs."
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/w/wolverine.htm
In the online Marvel Directory his strength level is IDENTICAL to Captain America's: 4 out of 7. That was updated in 2005 to give Wolverine 800lb - 2 ton strength.
SOOO where did you get 30 tons from? Your booty?
More later - and it won't be pretty.
(Battlehammer sucks, btw. World of Warcraft is where it's at)
Originally posted by Never
Um, LMAO.Who wrote those "summations?" They're terrible, and most of them are gross exaggerations. For example, "his vengeance is faster than human eyes can follow?" WHERE does it say that on the panel? It says his CLAWS flash faster than the eyes can follow
Originally posted by NeverAnd a snake using it's tightly coiled muscles to strike faster than the human eye can follow for one burst of movement over a short distance discredit's Logans ability to start moving faster than the eye can follow and KEEP moving faster than the eye can follow during an attack.... how again? 😕
and that's nothing. A cobra strikes faster than the eye can follow, as does a rattlesnake strike, as does a cat's paw.
Originally posted by Never
Grab a knife. Slash down as fast as you can. Can someone watching you follow the knife? NO. Can you even keep track of a fly buzzing around the room the entire time?
No.
Originally posted by Never
Do you have any of those comics?
Even in the danger room one whomever wrote it says "Wolverine moves faster than the human eye can follow..." WRONG. His claws do. Do you watch boxing? How many times have punches moved faster than your eyes could follow?
Something's pretty goofy about that donchathink?
Originally posted by Never
Those "writeups" are as hilarious as they are wrong. LoL, look at the last one.
Originally posted by NeverWhen he was completely taxed out from fighting hordes of brood a brood infection and Cyclops, when she stabbed him while he wasn't looking? Yeah... that's good evidence. 🙄
It's from Uncanny X-Men #167, I think. Notice how he forgot to include where she caught him right in the back with a FULL jolt of poison from her stinger in #166?
And uh, what would that have to do with THIS particular feat anyways?
Does that somehow mean that Wolverine moving faster than the Brood/Xavier could react to automatically didn't happen or something? 😕
Originally posted by Never
Anyway, he dove over her, acting like he was going to slash one thing and decided to slash her stinger. He "blitzed her?" LoL, he DOVE at her.
Originally posted by Never
And where did he "disappear right before anyone's eyes?" Not in any of them. That's precisely what I asked about.
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Wolverine virtually vanishes, five feet in front of Nightcrawler... In broad daylight beating him in another training excercise.
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Originally posted by Never
Odd. All of this speed and he couldn't touch Spiderman in Secret Wars #3? Or dodge Silver Samurai in Uncanny X-Men #173? Or Elektra in Elekra and Wolverine? He sure couldn't dodge MARROW when she shoved that bone through his throat.
So basically in this post you've stated:
Wolverine's claws move of their own accord.
A snake moving faster in a short burst faster than a human somehow invalidates Wolverine ALSO moving faster than a human...?
Boxers are faster than Wolverine
Non-partisan narrative panels are WRONG when they state things you don't like.
That a house fly averaging out at 4.5 MPH in flight somehow also invalidates Wolverine's speed....? 🤨
And that single incidents that happened in the early 80's ONCE take precedence over the multitudes of incidents that have come thereafter.
hmmmm erm yeah, I think you need HEAVY work on your logic and reasoning skills... I know. 😱
My baby cousin has a box with shapes but into it, and you use the correct shaped blocks to plug in those holes.. I mean I know it's not much, but you gotta start somehwere.... dumbass 😐
😂
I didn't really even bother reading his bullshit post...
Originally posted by NeverYes, and I can grab them out of the air if they get to close to me. Sometimes I do that if they start annoying me.
Can you even keep track of a fly buzzing around the room the entire time?
Can't even follow a fly. lmao
Originally posted by Never
Name the issues where he "disappeared right before people's eyes." Just saying he did it has nooooo merit whatsoever.
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I don't think a guy who uses bios and character write ups for the basis of his opinion should really talk about what has "nooooo merit whatsoever."
Anyway - go to Comicvine and cross reference Wolverine appearances with characters I listed, if you want to find more examples of Wolverine vanishing from sight. It shouldn't be that hard for you find the issues, but I can't be bothered to find them for you, especially after you wrote off the scans jinzin provided with a nonsensical rant about how you can't see the a normal human's arms move, nor a fly... or something like that.
By the way... you should see an optometrist.
Originally posted by Never
I know it's Warhammer. It was a play on his name (BattleSPAMMER, BattleHAMMER).
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Well, you may of intended to call him BattleSPAMMER, but you didn't.... and even then - assuming you did - whats the correlation with WoW? I mean his screen name doesn't have any connection to the Warhammer universe (which its self has virtually no connection to WoW), it is the sir name of a character in a RA Salvatore book.
Originally posted by Never
There are NINJAS in Marvel who are stealthier than Logan. ELEKTRA is stealthier.
Nah. The only people stealthier than Logan are people with shadow manipulation, invisibility and the Shiverman, and they all have a stealth trump card, not any real skill for the craft like Logan.
Elektra is stealthy, but not stealthier than Logan.
Originally posted by Never
"She is also able to keep to the shadows and move with such speed that she can remain unseen even in daylight, thus explaining why she is Marvel's top killer. She cannot be seen in a dim lighted room and she can't be detected if she is in a warehouse of any sort and kind."
Seriously, a character bio? Seriously?
Elektra can put a mind whammy on people and have them play out scenarios she has fabricated. Not exactly stealth... or is Professor X the stealthiest man on the planet?
Originally posted by Never
Uh...Elektra has moved so fast UNDERWATER that she was a blur.
She's fast. I know it. What's your point?
Originally posted by Never
Show me ONE entry in a Wolverine bio where it says he can remain unseen in daylight? Not a WRITER'S one-time interpretation of his character. ONE writer had Venom defeat Juggernaut. Give me a break.
A bio? 😆 😆 😆
I don't read bios, I base my oppinions on things that actually have some value in a comic book discussion - you know - comics. You might have heard of them?
Originally posted by Never
If he meant CYBER (which is not how he wrote it), then show where it says CYBER can lift 30 tons? Cyber's strength is shown to be relatively equal to Sabretooth's.
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He was responding to a section of you're post that addressed Cyber and his ability to break Wolverine's claws. I mean... it was pretty clear who he was talking about... everyone else got it...
In his original body, Cyber overpower powered Strong Guy. That would place him above 30 tons and above Spider-man's strength class.
Originally posted by Never
Spiderman is stronger than both - and Spidey only lifts about TEN tons.
Sabretooth was around class 5-10 before his last Weapon X upgrade. Most people assume he was class 20 after that... but truthfully, that is just speculation, he never really did much strength wise.
