Bone-claw Wolverine vs Ultimate Captain America

Started by Badabing8 pages

Originally posted by Never
Name the issues where he "disappeared right before people's eyes." Just saying he did it has nooooo merit whatsoever.

I know it's Warhammer. It was a play on his name (BattleSPAMMER, BattleHAMMER).

There are NINJAS in Marvel who are stealthier than Logan. ELEKTRA is stealthier.

"She is also able to keep to the shadows and move with such speed that she can remain unseen even in daylight, thus explaining why she is Marvel's top killer. She cannot be seen in a dim lighted room and she can't be detected if she is in a warehouse of any sort and kind."

Uh...Elektra has moved so fast UNDERWATER that she was a blur.

Show me ONE entry in a Wolverine bio where it says he can remain unseen in daylight? Not a WRITER'S one-time interpretation of his character. ONE writer had Venom defeat Juggernaut. Give me a break.

If he meant CYBER (which is not how he wrote it), then show where it says CYBER can lift 30 tons? Cyber's strength is shown to be relatively equal to Sabretooth's.

Spiderman is stronger than both - and Spidey only lifts about TEN tons.

Yes, let's wait for Battlehammer to get back and make it "get ugly." LMAO.

Please be civil and stop bashing. Thanks.

Originally posted by Juk3n
mm, closer to 20 really, he's had a couple of buffs..iirc.

Where?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Reported for trolling. wave
And member bashing. doped

Waaah.

Originally posted by Never
Waaah.
You came back to KMC after a long hiatus just to troll, bash and collect warnings?

Originally posted by Juk3n
mm, closer to 20 really, he's had a couple of buffs..iirc.
as of OMD hes back to classic levels.

Originally posted by jinzin That's your example, fairly pathetic considering the point you're clumsly trying to prove. Wolverine was exerting vengeance on those who had him under mind control, his claws are stated moving faster than the eye can follow, and it's Wolverine that weilds the claws, do the math. I suppose 1+1=hotdogs in your world too?

Um, what's actually pathetic is your incorrectly using "vengeance." You don't EXERT vengeance. You respond WITH a vengeance. You look at someone with VENGEANCE in your eye. You don't EXERT vengeance. Ask your English teacher.

Um, because my fists are moving faster than the eye can follow...means that *I* am moving faster than the eye can follow? NO.

And a snake using it's tightly coiled muscles to strike faster than the human eye can follow for one burst of movement over a short distance discredit's Logans ability to start moving faster than the eye can follow and KEEP moving faster than the eye can follow during an attack.... how again? 😕

Because a PART of my person (my fists) move faster than the eye can follow...means that my ENTIRE person (my body) is moving faster than they eye can follow? NO.

Actually you can. People can train their minds to interpret events at a slower rate of frames per second, it's how boxers are able to block punches in mid throw. 😐

Wrong. Boxers box punches because of their REFLEXES. You can't train reflexes. Either you have them in oodles or you DON'T.

A fly is extremely small you wouldn't lose track of it if it was the size of a beachball.

Yes, because flies come in ONE size, right? Are horseflies are extremely small? NO.

So to you if a written panel says that Wolverine's moving faster than the eye can follow it's "WRONG".. If a boxers throwing punches faster than YOU can follow, that's okay?

It DIDN'T. Your cute "vengeance" panel said, QUOTE:

"faster than human eyes can follow, THE GLEAMING ADAMANTIUM CLAWS SLASH." If a boxer is throwing punches that are moving faster, the BOXER is not moving faster. The PUNCHES are. Not the BOXER.

When he was completely taxed out from fighting hordes of brood a brood infection and Cyclops, when she stabbed him while he wasn't looking? Yeah... that's good evidence. 🙄
Not to mention the fact that he was STILL fast enough to cut off her stingers before she could even retract them.

She tried to retract him before he slashed her? NO. Her entire point was to slam him with a jolt strong enough to knock him out - which HE commented on. Was he taxed when Silver Samurai sliced him up? Or when Lady Deathstrike sliced him up? Or when Omega Red fought him to a standstill? Or when Archangel fought him to a standstill? NO.

And uh, what would that have to do with THIS particular feat anyways?
Does that somehow mean that Wolverine moving faster than the Brood/Xavier could react to automatically didn't happen or something? 😕

Yeah, especially when I said to SHOW ME WHERE HE DISAPPEARS RIGHT BEFORE SOMEONE'S EYES. Never asked to see how his FISTS are faster. The closest you came was when he MELTED into the forest and into the shadows. DUH, Wolverine's great in the forest. His idea of hunting is to sneak up on a deer and touch it before it even realizes he's there.

She had Xaviers TELEPATHIC POWERS and he was still moving too fast... he dove at her? Which is why he's leaping UP, and why the narrative makes reference of "Too suddenly for her to react"...

Yes, because one of Xavier's telepathic powers is to FOLLOW PEOPLE. Hello, a telepath READS MINDS and communicates sans talking. THAT'S IT. Having Xavier's telepathic powers wouldn't enable her to follow Wolverine. LMAO. Xavier couldn't even keep track of SPIDERMAN in Secret Wars #3.

Wolverine virtually vanishes, five feet in front of Nightcrawler... In broad daylight beating him in another training excercise.
1. http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/...ssapearsak5.jpg
2. http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/...sapears2bf2.jpg

Wolverine VIRTUALLY vanishes. WOW. I said show me where he vanishes COMPLETELY. You didn't.

Elektra has super speed that's >>>>Most street levels including people like Spiderman.

Elektra doesn't have super speed. Wrong.

Silver Samurai? Never happened, the only time Wolverine failed to touch him was when he lept at Silver Sam and Sam used his teleportation ring to book dodge.

Please do a better job of reading. I said Wolverine couldn't touch ELEKTRA in Elektra and Wolverine and SPIDERMAN in Secret Wars #3 and asked why he had trouble dodging Silver Samurai.

Spiderman in Secret Wars? That IS funny considering that Rogue was too slow and too weak to avoid Spiderman's webbing, that Cyclops couldn't tag him in an enclosed space, that nightcrawler forget he could teleport out of the webbing, or that Wolverine's hit him or grabbed him by the throat in pretty much every encounter since.

Spiderman had room in Secret Wars #3. THAT'S why he sarcastically said to Titania "oh it'd be fair if we fought in a closet." Give him room and Wolverine fails. Repeatedly.

So basically in this post you've stated:
Wolverine's claws move of their own accord.
A snake moving faster in a short burst faster than a human somehow invalidates Wolverine ALSO moving faster than a human...?
Boxers are faster than Wolverine
Non-partisan narrative panels are WRONG when they state things you don't like.
That a house fly averaging out at 4.5 MPH in flight somehow also invalidates Wolverine's speed....? 🤨
And that single incidents that happened in the early 80's ONCE take precedence over the multitudes of incidents that have come thereafter.

You clearly cannot read. Quote where I said Wolverine's claws move of their own volition. I said because Wolverine's claws move faster than they eye can see does not mean that WOLVERINE HIMSELF is moving faster.

You clearly cannot read. Quote where I said boxers are faster than Wolverine.

You clearly cannot read. Quote where I said "non-partisan narrative panels are wrong" (and how can they be NON PARTISAN? lmao). I said whomever commented on those illustrations were as HILARIOUS as they were wrong.

You clearly cannot read. Quote where I said anything about single incidents displacing alleged multiple incidents.

hmmmm erm yeah, I think you need HEAVY work on your logic and reasoning skills... I know. 😱
My baby cousin has a box with shapes but into it, and you use the correct shaped blocks to plug in those holes.. I mean I know it's not much, but you gotta start somehwere.... dumbass 😐

Your mother's the dumbass for not swallowing.

Originally posted by Badabing
You came back to KMC after a long hiatus just to troll, bash and collect warnings?

Excuse me?

What is *your* definition of trolling?

This dude Creshosk or whatever - without knowing who I am - up and calls me a troll...and I'M trolling?

Battlehammer *tries* to tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about - and I'm "bashing?"

This cat Jinzin calls me a *dumbass* (I notice you didn't tell him to be civil) and *I'm* bashing? I respond to someone who offended me first and *I'm* not being civil?

Originally posted by Never
Wrong. Boxers box punches because of their REFLEXES. You can't train reflexes. Either you have them in oodles or you DON'T.
ka-dur

Originally posted by Never
Yes, because flies come in ONE size, right? Are horseflies are extremely small? NO.
You can't even track Horseflies? durlaugh

Originally posted by Never
Excuse me?

What is *your* definition of trolling?

This dude Creshosk or whatever - without knowing who I am - up and calls me a troll...and I'M trolling?

Battlehammer *tries* to tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about - and I'm "bashing?"

This cat Jinzin calls me a *dumbass* (I notice you didn't tell him to be civil) and *I'm* bashing? I respond to someone who offended me first and *I'm* not being civil?

Originally posted by Never

Your mother's the dumbass for not swallowing.
Originally posted by Never
I know it's Warhammer. It was a play on his name (BattleSPAMMER, BattleHAMMER).

Yes, let's wait for Battlehammer to get back and make it "get ugly." LMAO.

If you're "offended" then report. Justifying your behavior by pointing out other bad behavior isn't a valid excuse. Please be civil or place people on ignore you can't get along with. Thanks.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

I don't think a guy who uses bios and character write ups for the basis of his opinion should really talk about what has "nooooo merit whatsoever."

If I was that individual you might have a point.

Anyway - go to Comicvine and cross reference Wolverine appearances with characters I listed, if you want to find more examples of Wolverine vanishing from sight. It shouldn't be that hard for you find the issues, but I can't be bothered to find them for you, especially after you wrote off the scans jinzin provided with a nonsensical rant about how you can't see the a normal human's arms move, nor a fly... or something like that.

Jinzin posted a vat full of trash with his OWN incorrect interpretations of the action (his VENGEANCE was faster than the eye can follow? wth?), and there were two - *two* instances where one could state that he melted into the shadows/woods.

By the way... you should see an optometrist.

Reported for bashing.

Well, you may of intended to call him BattleSPAMMER, but you didn't.... and even then - assuming you did - whats the correlation with WoW? I mean his screen name doesn't have any connection to the Warhammer universe (which its self has virtually no connection to WoW), it is the sir name of a character in a RA Salvatore book.

Uh, *what?* I did call him Battlespammer - and you're saying I didn't? And you say I need an optometrist? Good heavens.

Nah. The only people stealthier than Logan are people with shadow manipulation, invisibility and the Shiverman, and they all have a stealth trump card, not any real skill for the craft like Logan.

Elektra is stealthy, but not stealthier than Logan.

Prove it. You cannot. You're certainly welcome to your opinion, though. Did you hear or see...I don't know, Frank Miller saying Wolverine's the stealthiest on the planet? Nope.

Seriously, a character bio? Seriously?

Elektra can put a mind whammy on people and have them play out scenarios she has fabricated. Not exactly stealth... or is Professor X the stealthiest man on the planet?

Right, because that's the extent of her abilities. Hilarious. Did you even read Elektra: Assassin? That quote was referencing the fight in the warehouse where...you know...she was completely invisible? And then the quote "something not quite a mack truck slammed into them...." Before any of them even blinked, 3-4 of them were dead.

I don't read bios, I base my oppinions on things that actually have some value in a comic book discussion - you know - comics. You might have heard of them?

No kidding? So do I!

He was responding to a section of you're post that addressed Cyber and his ability to break Wolverine's claws. I mean... it was pretty clear who he was talking about... everyone else got it...

If it was that clear then that individual would not have said "I THINK (which means I'm NOT SURE) that he meant Cyber," now would he?

In his original body, Cyber overpower powered Strong Guy. That would place him above 30 tons and above Spider-man's strength class.

And Wolverine overpowered Grey Hulk in Hulk #340, so that would place Wolverine above 75 tons using THAT logic.

Sabretooth was around class 5-10 before his last Weapon X upgrade. Most people assume he was class 20 after that... but truthfully, that is just speculation, he never really did much strength wise.

Sabretooth was NEVER Class 5-10 up through his fight with Wolverine in Wolverine's comic when he broke off his claws. That's Spidey level (10).

Unless they upgraded him after THAT. But I know he was NEVER Class 5-10 in his original incarnation.

Oh, you asked something about whether or not I read comic books? Here are some I dragged out of the closet.

Originally posted by Badabing
If you're "offended" then report. Justifying your behavior by pointing out other bad behavior isn't a valid excuse. Please be civil or place people on ignore you can't get along with. Thanks.

I would hardly need a mod to intervene if I'm on the losing end of a debate on this messageboard (imagine THAT), nor do I or will I ever place someone on ignore. Quite a puerile response that, when all else fails, smacks of insecurity and the inability to form an effective, cogent rejoinder.

I'm *always* civil to those who are civil to me.

🙂

Originally posted by Creshosk
ka-dur

You can't even track Horseflies? durlaugh

It's called typo.

TYPO. Rhymes with...Tae Bo? A boxer BLOCKS punches...etc etc.

Can you track handwriting? Quote where I even *implied* that I cannot track horseflies. I INFERRED that flies come in all sizes.

Speaking of flies, please shoo!

Originally posted by Never
I would hardly need a mod to intervene if I'm on the losing end of a debate on this messageboard (imagine THAT), nor do I or will I ever place someone on ignore.
I'm not here to intervene in the debate. I'm here so people stay relatively civil.
Originally posted by Never
Quite a puerile response that, when all else fails, smacks of insecurity and the inability to form an effective, cogent rejoinder.
As opposed to flaming and bashing a person's mom? Let's just say you're going to stop with the flaming, bashing and trolling. Thanks.

Originally posted by Never
It's called typo.

TYPO. Rhymes with...Tae Bo? A boxer BLOCKS punches...etc etc.

It was more of the "you can't train reflexes" bull.

Originally posted by Never
Can you track handwriting? Quote where I even *implied* that I cannot track horseflies. I INFERRED that flies come in all sizes.

Speaking of flies, please shoo!

Originally posted by Never
Can you even keep track of a fly buzzing around the room the entire time?

No.

Originally posted by jinzin
A fly is extremely small you wouldn't lose track of it if it was the size of a beachball.

Originally posted by Never
Yes, because flies come in ONE size, right? Are horseflies are extremely small? NO.

"You can't track flies."
"Cause they're small."
"Horseflies aren't small."

durlaugh

Originally posted by Badabing
I'm not here to intervene in the debate. I'm here so people stay relatively civil. As opposed to flaming and bashing a person's mom? Let's just say you're going to stop with the flaming, bashing and trolling. Thanks.

And we'll say that in the event someone attacks me, they *will* get the same in return.

Odd, you STILL didn't say a word to Jinzin but quoted what *I* said to him AFTER what he said to ME? LoL.

VERY peculiar.

And like I said earlier, IF I was "flaming, trolling or bashing" you'd have a valid point.

I do none of the above.

Originally posted by Creshosk
It was more of the "you can't train reflexes" bull.

You CAN'T train reflexes. DUH. That's why SOME defensive lineman are better at sacking the QB. That's why SOME shotblockers are better than others. That's why SOME boxers get hit more often...

And others. Don't. If you could "train" reflexes, EVERYONE would have equally quick reflexes.

THEY DON'T.

"You can't track flies."
"Cause they're small."
"Horseflies aren't small."

durlaugh

Salmonella poisoning? Cats can easily keep track of a fly in flight. Humans ALWAYS manage to lose them momentarily.

Common sense.

Or maybe it isn't?

Originally posted by Never
You CAN'T train reflexes. DUH. That's why SOME defensive lineman are better at sacking the QB. That's why SOME shotblockers are better than others. That's why SOME boxers get hit more often...

And others. Don't. If you could "train" reflexes, EVERYONE would have equally quick reflexes.

THEY DON'T.

Salmonella poisoning? Cats can easily keep track of a fly in flight. Humans ALWAYS manage to lose them momentarily.

Common sense.

Or maybe it isn't?

durlaugh

You are a laugh riot. You should do stand up cause that its some funny bullshit you're spoutin.

Originally posted by Creshosk
durlaugh

You are a laugh riot. You should do stand up cause that its some funny bullshit you're spoutin.

Don't wax indignant because your laughable attempt at logic flew like a 600lb West Virginian in a mudpit bellyflopping contest.

By the way, isn't running behind another poster with irrelevant responses tantamount to...

TROLLING?

Reported.

belch

For being from 2004 you sure are new around here...

You can train to have better reaction time/reflexes.

You think professional fighters and professional athletes don't train to increase their reflex speed?

People who just play sports occasional can improve their reflexes and coordination.