A Satanist Word's

mandos: you are aware that, since I believe page one of this discussion, it has been made painfully obvious that the Satan in reference here is not the one of the Bible?

Obviously, if we refer to satanism as a Christian sect which worships evil instead of good, fine. This is not the Satanism of this thread. Nor is it the Levay satanism, which Benji has also distanced himself from.

The satanism he is proposing is one based on the idea that God is an authoritarian liar. I'm sorry that is not the narrative you agree with, and you have gone to pains to point that out, even though it was absolutly irrelevant to the conversation.

Benji's satanism obviously has logic to it. Because you interpret it as evil, then sure, I can see why you would be biased there, however, benji has actually shared with us the logic he uses to come to his conclusions. This is that the bible is based on lies and that satan is really the good guy, apparently because he is more moral and has no rules. This is actually pretty good personal logic.

However, when asked what it means to be a satanist, he said sacrifices of christians, demon rituals and the like. These rituals are, essentially, the same as "rules" that one must follow in Christian faiths. Blood sacrifice is the same, in that it is a specifically mandated way to worship, as recieving comunion. It is an authority telling you how to worship them.

Obviously you can't seperate that point from the fact that you hate satan, so ya, fun times.

You are right. Not so unlike the other religions. Although I prefer love and generosity, caring and friendship, then hate and destruction. I feel better in my head also.

But that's the difference I'm making. The one Bardrock didn't understand. There are two types of religions for each religion.

Even christianity. I follow christianity by the valors, not by the people governing it. The Pope is nothing to me. Only true feelings prevail.

Originally posted by Mandos
The one Bardrock didn't understand. There are two types of religions for each religion.

I object to this.

Originally posted by Mandos
You are right. Not so unlike the other religions. Although I prefer love and generosity, caring and friendship, then hate and destruction. I feel better in my head also.

But that's the difference I'm making. The one Bardrock didn't understand. There are two types of religions for each religion.

Even christianity. I follow christianity by the valors, not by the people governing it. The Pope is nothing to me. Only true feelings prevail.

why did you even respond to my first post then?

everything you have said has been irrelevant, largely nonsensical, and, now admittedly, totally off topic

and no, I don't agree with this, much as I am not "allowed" to make sweeping generalizations of religions based on the actions of their followers, neither are you allowed to say people who specifically claim to be religious or following a religion are actually not doing so. Also, there is no religious ground in any religion where you, you individually, as in you Mandos, are allowed to determine who or what is religious.

In fact, by any reading, it is you who is less catholic than the pope, even though you dont agree with him.

Wait, if you are saying that you should believe your "true feelings" then you are arguing against formal religion in any respect, and really should laugh at the idea of being a christian...

Originally posted by inimalist
mandos: you are aware that, since I believe page one of this discussion, it has been made painfully obvious that the Satan in reference here is not the one of the Bible?

Obviously, if we refer to satanism as a Christian sect which worships evil instead of good, fine. This is not the Satanism of this thread. Nor is it the Levay satanism, which Benji has also distanced himself from.

The satanism he is proposing is one based on the idea that God is an authoritarian liar. I'm sorry that is not the narrative you agree with, and you have gone to pains to point that out, even though it was absolutly irrelevant to the conversation.

Benji's satanism obviously has logic to it. Because you interpret it as evil, then sure, I can see why you would be biased there, however, benji has actually shared with us the logic he uses to come to his conclusions. This is that the bible is based on lies and that satan is really the good guy, apparently because he is more moral and has no rules. This is actually pretty good personal logic.

However, when asked what it means to be a satanist, he said sacrifices of christians, demon rituals and the like. These rituals are, essentially, the same as "rules" that one must follow in Christian faiths. Blood sacrifice is the same, in that it is a specifically mandated way to worship, as recieving comunion. It is an authority telling you how to worship them.

Obviously you can't seperate that point from the fact that you hate satan, so ya, fun times.

I don't hate Satan, but he holds no special place in my heart. Just that would bring your entire post down, for you based it on me hating Satan and evil. But I'll continue anyway hehe.

''This is that the bible is based on lies and that satan is really the good guy, apparently because he is more moral and has no rules. This is actually pretty good personal logic.''

It is no logic, it is a statement. Or do you imply there is logic in religion? Can we mix faith and logic? Usually the combination isn't very pretty.

As for the ''you are aware that, since I believe page one of this discussion, it has been made painfully obvious that the Satan in reference here is not the one of the Bible?'', then I must apologise, for I did not read the first pages of this thread.

Originally posted by Mandos
I don't hate Satan, but he holds no special place in my heart. Just that would bring your entire post down, for you based it on me hating Satan and evil. But I'll continue anyway hehe.

my guess is that you aren't older than 15

Originally posted by Mandos
It is no logic, it is a statement. Or do you imply there is logic in religion? Can we mix faith and logic? Usually the combination isn't very pretty.

no, this can't actually be where the miscommunication is happening

let me explain

the logic any individual has for what they do is only theirs. Something does not have to satisfy your logical criteria to be a logical conclusion.

If someone believes that God is an authoritarian liar and thinks satan is man's saviour, it is only logical that they follow satan.

Let me explain it in kindergarden terms:

The first thing you have to remember is that everyone puts a different value on different issues. And that things that might be logical for one person are not logical for them all. On top of this, you must remember that things that are true to you, are not necessarily true to everyone else. Because of this, it is pretty much pointless for you to continue saying there is no logic in satanism. What you can say is that, to you, there is no logic in satanism, but even that isn't accurate as it can be very logical to be a satanist, however the criteria which would cause you to be one logically have not been met.

ooh, that last line is tough, let me expand. There are things that could happen to you that might make you believe God was a liar. There are events that could occur which would make you think that benji is on the right path. Thus, there is some logic to someone believing in Satan if their own personal criteria (those events which would make them believe such) have been met (occured).

there is plenty of logic in religion... I think you need to look up what a logical system is... It does not accuratly represent reality (in my opinion), but there are justifications for pretty much everything in religion if one believes in the basics...

...

I am 21, as a matter of fact.

Logic: A science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning (2): a branch or variety of logic (3): a branch of semiotic; especially : syntactics (4): the formal principles of a branch of knowledge.

I am the first defender of this statement, and do not like to being thought as an imbecile. The way, the disrespect in which you are explaning only suggests what I have been thought to believe in the last few posts; that you are not worth talking to. Such manners only comes from angry teenagers, and should stay there.

And even though everything you've said in the last post was true, and I would have agreed with you on it, your incapacity to transmit it ruined all chances of sympathy from my part, and though you shall never know the end of my point of view, for I am done talking to you. And who knows, maybe I was about to include the description of logic in my nest thread. It might have been too complicated for you to understand anyways, although I'm sure that when you're not behaving like a selfish beast, you can be quite smart as I've noticed.

In the end, it's a pity, for we could have had very good conversations in the future.

Now sit, you dumb animal, until you make proof of the existence of your brains once more.

Why do you needlessly quote yourself?

Edit: he edited.

I edited lol

Originally posted by Mandos
I am 21, as a matter of fact.

Logic: A science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning (2): a branch or variety of logic (3): a branch of semiotic; especially : syntactics (4): the formal principles of a branch of knowledge.

I am the first defender of this statement, and do not like to being thought as an imbecile. The way, the disrespect in which you are explaning only suggests what I have been thought to believe in the last few posts; that you are not worth talking to. Such manners only comes from angry teenagers, and should stay there.

And even though everything you've said in the last post was true, and I would have agreed with you on it, your incapacity to transmit it ruined all chances of sympathy from my part, and though you shall never know the end of my point of view, for I am done talking to you. And who knows, maybe I was about to include the description of logic in my nest thread. It might have been too complicated for you to understand anyways, although I'm sure that when you're not behaving like a selfish beast, you can be quite smart as I've noticed.

In the end, it's a pity, for we could have had very good conversations in the future.

Now sit, you dumb animal, until you make proof of the existence of your brains once more.

reported, thanks for playing

😉 Wasn't fun playing with you.

lol, anyways

VampBenji: So, if you are against the formal and authoritarian structure that God imposes on his followers, why do you perform or observe satanic rituals?

How is this any different than following the "rules" of a religion?

PS: Vampbenji is being stalked by someone who is threatening him of turning him over. I don't think he'll be posting here for some time.

Not to rain on everyone's parade, but can anyone actually find, oh, one murder that has been positively linked to Satanic cults?

Sure, there are lots of people who claim it, but the whole existance of these groups is largely fiction.

Since our resident murderer is apparently ducking us, maybe someone else knows? Everything I've ever seen points to it being make believe.

Nah, i don't know enough to answer that, although I wish.n But like you said, I believe there are more murders outside than inside satanic cults.

(Sorry for the dumb animal comment, uncalled for).

Originally posted by Mandos
PS: Vampbenji is being stalked by someone who is threatening him of turning him over. I don't think he'll be posting here for some time.

Stalked? Who's stalking him?

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Stalked? Who's stalking him?

You man.

Just cause he apparently witnessed and condoned a brutal rape and torture with included murder, doesn't give you the right to point it out....man.

I guess I'd better lay off that poor, misguided accessory to murder.

To think that he's probably nervous of posting about the brutal crimes he's witnessed, the poor tyke.

Originally posted by XvampbenjiiX666
what i forgot to tell you was that these words aren't mine but the High Priest Brother Myrmydon

That's immaterial to me. What I want to know are the specifics about what you believe. I could tell you what Billy Graham and other prominent Christian leaders say about Christianity, but it wouldn't be telling you about my personal relationship with God, would it?

I see no reason why having rules is bad. You say, or at least imply, that Satan doesn't demand you follow rules like God does, but if a whole belief system is centered around him that expects certain things out of its followers, then there are rules, aren't there? Your posts again and again lead one to believe you're in way over your head and really don't have any idea what you're into.

And since you think that be spelling Christianity with a K is so rebellious and disrespectful, I want to know if you're an equal opportunity punk and spell Judaism with a G or Buddhism with two Os. I'm sure Satan is quite pleased with you and your spelling errors, but for the rest of us, it just makes you seem even less credible.