Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why don't we all stop proving why Batman would win, since it's obvious, and let RJ provide us with reasons that this random would beat Batman.-AC
I've asked him for that, didn't come through. I also asked him how Batman could win this in his opinion, he provided nothing.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriMe asking if the Bat's exploits are legendary was a rhetorical question.
If you have to ask if Batman or his exploits are considered legendary, then maybe it's best to do a bit more research on the people you pit against one another.Why don't we all stop proving why Batman would win, since it's obvious, and let RJ provide us with reasons that this random would beat Batman.
As for knowing everything Batman has to offer, why would he. and why would it even matter? Batman's enemies know more about him than Swagger, he still wins.
-AC
Before I dive in and explain why IMO Swagger would win, how much do you know about Swagger? Have you seen Shooter? Have you read Point of Impact, Time to hunt, or Black light?
This is not a dodge, I just want to know how detailed I need to be.
Originally posted by PlacidityIn the beginning, when Danny Glover's character asks him to do the job, remember when Swagger takes the pic of the "engine" of their SUV?
Hmm... could you tell me where in the movie?BTW, the Batmobile could probably only take two claymore blasts. I think you asked about that somewhere earlier.
They even said it, that he didnt give a shit about the engine, that he was gonna run the plates. At that point Danny Glovers character says "He is an expert at counter intel."
Why don't you stop asking about Batman, who you should know enough about before starting these threads, and explain to us all why Swagger would win, since you're the only one who thinks so.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Me asking if the Bat's exploits are legendary was a rhetorical question.Before I dive in and explain why IMO Swagger would win, how much do you know about Swagger? Have you seen Shooter? Have you read Point of Impact, Time to hunt, or Black light?
This is not a dodge, I just want to know how detailed I need to be.
Yes, I know all I need to regarding the subject. Obviously, or I wouldn't be here.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriSo why do I think Swagger would win?
Why don't you stop asking about Batman, who you should know enough about before starting these threads, and explain to us all why Swagger would win, since you're the only one who thinks so.Yes, I know all I need to regarding the subject. Obviously, or I wouldn't be here.
-AC
Because he is an expert at Sniping, hand to hand combat, close quarter small arms combat, explosives, counter intel, and is an all around badass, a trained killer. He took on an army of 125 men while armed with a bolt action rifle, FFS, and killed them all.
In this scenario, he is totally in his element, using all the tools of his trade, armed with a .50 cal rifle. The Bat has to come to him.
Even if the Bat avoids the sniper fire (which he wouldn't, Swagger would take his head off the moment he steps out of the Batmobile or Jet or whatever he uses), he still has to deal with the strategically placed claymores, and, IF he gets past those, he has to deal with Swagger having a full auto assault rifle, grenades and his sidearms.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriNot even gonna argue that wth you, man. If I were to say one can argue using the comic Bat, you wouldnt think twice about it.
Forgot to edit this in:RJ, people don't actually need to have read the books. This is a movie Vs forum. We're dealing with Shooter and nothing more.
-AC
The movie Swagger is an extension of the book Swagger, therefore he is the same person.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So why do I think Swagger would win?Because he is an expert at Sniping, hand to hand combat, close quarter small arms combat, explosives, counter intel, and is an all around badass, a trained killer. He took on an army of 125 men while armed with a bolt action rifle, FFS, and killed them all.
In this scenario, he is totally in his element, using all the tools of his trade, armed with a .50 cal rifle. The Bat has to come to him.
Even if the Bat avoids the sniper fire (which he wouldn't, Swagger would take his head off the moment he steps out of the Batmobile or Jet or whatever he uses), he still has to deal with the strategically placed claymores, and, IF he gets past those, he has to deal with Swagger having a full auto assault rifle, grenades and his sidearms.
Batman is always in his element. He's rarely ever out of it, if it was that easy to kill him he'd be dead.
Also, if you believe it's that easy, why make the thread? You're obviously the only one. If you are so certain of the outcome in this fight, why even make the thread? It obviously doesn't matter what any of us say.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Not even gonna argue that wth you, man. If I were to say one can argue using the comic Bat, you wouldnt think twice about it.The movie Swagger is an extension of the book Swagger, therefore he is the same person.
I wouldn't, because that's the comic Batman, this is a movie Vs forum.
You're wrong, and you've been told in the other thread that book versions aren't welcome here, so stick to Shooter alone.
It's Shooter and NOTHING else. Batman movies and NOTHING else. I've PMed Impediment, so he can come here and confirm that it's only movies like he did in the other thread.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriWhy make the thread? To discuss why I think Swagger would win, and read why others think the Bat would win.
Batman is always in his element. He's rarely ever out of it, if it was that easy to kill him he'd be dead.Also, if you believe it's that easy, why make the thread? You're obviously the only one. If you are so certain of the outcome in this fight, why even make the thread? It obviously doesn't matter what any of us say.
I wouldn't, because that's the comic Batman, this is a movie Vs forum.The thread is still about movie AND book Swagger, but, I will go ahead and humor you for a page or two. Lets talk MOVIE Batman versus movie Swagger.You're wrong, and you've been told in the other thread that book versions aren't welcome here, so stick to Shooter alone.
It's Shooter and NOTHING else. Batman movies and NOTHING else. I've PMed Impediment, so he can come here and confirm that it's only movies like he did in the other thread.
-AC
You go first.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Why make the thread? To discuss why I think Swagger would win, and read why others think the Bat would win.
Why, though? Nobody cares why you think Swagger would win, cos it's ridiculous, and obviously you don't agree with anyone who disagrees on the subject, so what's the point?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The thread is still about movie AND book Swagger, but, I will go ahead and humor you for a page or two. Lets talk MOVIE Batman versus movie Swagger.You go first.
You don't get to decide it's ok to defy forum criteria. This thread is about movie Swagger and movie Batman, cos it's a movie forum. I thought you'd have learned that the last time you tried to involve a book character.
Movie Batman, since you've so biasedly rigged it for Swagger (And everyone here still thinks you're mental for speaking such lunacy), just drives up to him in the Batmobile and runs him over.
The Batmobile is bulletproof, bombproof, you name it. That or he can get close enough that sniping isn't an option, drive past the claymores, then beat him hand-to-hand, which he obviously would do, since he has trained with far superior people.
There, if that's how Vs fights now go around here, let's just do it that way.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriTell me, who has MOVIE Batman faced? The Joker? Two face? The Riddler? Ahnuld's pathetic excuse for a villian? Hell, if it wasn't for Robin, the Bat would have died at the hands of Two face.Why, though? Nobody cares why you think Swagger would win, cos it's ridiculous, and obviously you don't agree with anyone who disagrees on the subject, so what's the point?
You don't get to decide it's ok to defy forum criteria. This thread is about movie Swagger and movie Batman, cos it's a movie forum. I thought you'd have learned that the last time you tried to involve a book character.You've never been to Arkansas, have you? You really have no idea what the terrain is like, do you? The Bat wouldn't be able to "drive right up to him", the Batmobile is designed for an urban scenario, unless I totally missed something in the MOVIES.Movie Batman, since you've so biasedly rigged it for Swagger (And everyone here still thinks you're mental for speaking such lunacy), just drives up to him in the Batmobile and runs him over.
The Batmobile is bulletproof, bombproof, you name it. That or he can get close enough that sniping isn't an option, drive past the claymores, then beat him hand-to-hand, which he obviously would do, since he has trained with far superior people.
There, if that's how Vs fights now go around here, let's just do it that way.
-AC
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Tell me, who has MOVIE Batman faced? The Joker? Two face? The Riddler? Ahnuld's pathetic excuse for a villian? Hell, if it wasn't for Robin, the Bat would have died at the hands of Two face.
The Joker alone is more formidable than Mark Wahlberg's Swagger.
Then there's Al Ghul and the League of Shadows. He's beaten them all.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You've never been to Arkansas, have you? You really have no idea what the terrain is like, do you? The Bat wouldn't be able to "drive right up to him", the Batmobile is designed for an urban scenario, unless I totally missed something in the MOVIES.
Thank the spirits, no, never been. Doesn't matter, though.
Have you seen Batman Begins? The Batmobile copes with any terrain possible.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriAl G wasn't armed to the teeth as Swagger is, he went toe to toe with the Bat, like an idiot, and got served.
The Joker alone is more formidable than Mark Wahlberg's Swagger.Then there's Al Ghul and the League of Shadows. He's beaten them all.
Thank the spirits, no, never been. Doesn't matter, though.The Batmobile dealt with an urban scenario only, driving through a heavily dense forest is totally different. Besides, what's to keep Swagger from shooting out the tires? And yes, with a .50 cal rifle this is entirely feasible. If Swagger can take out a heavily armed attack chopper, the Batmobile would be like dealing with an annoying insect.Have you seen Batman Begins? The Batmobile copes with any terrain possible.
-AC
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Al G wasn't armed to the teeth as Swagger is, he went toe to toe with the Bat, like an idiot, and got served.
Yeah, and so would Swagger. See where this goes? The only thing he has going for him is sniping, and if they're in a forest, Batman isn't some terrorist that's going to be easy to hit. To that end, he could avoid the claymores by going through trees, and he more than likely has something to detect them, because he's not stupid enough to assume Swagger wouldn't have set up traps.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The Batmobile dealt with an urban scenario only, driving through a heavily dense forest is totally different. Besides, what's to keep Swagger from shooting out the tires? And yes, with a .50 cal rifle this is entirely feasible. If Swagger can take out a heavily armed attack chopper, the Batmobile would be like dealing with an annoying insect.
The Batmobile is like an agile, super-armed tank, it's not a Ford pick up.
How can you reasonably say it only dealt with an urban environment? It was driving over rooftops, through a cave etc. It's not like it was driving along a bumpy road and having trouble.
How has Mark Wahlberg gone from being someone who is really good with guns, to Robocop and The Terminator's love child? That's what I'm curious about.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriGoing through the trees, I see. Lemme ask, if you know enough about Swagger as you say you do, then you know Swagger would have no problem sniping the Bat as he "goes through the trees." A well placed round from his .50 cal sniper rifle, which he is very unlikely to miss with, and the Bat is done.
Yeah, and so would Swagger. See where this goes? The only thing he has going for him is sniping, and if they're in a forest, Batman isn't some terrorist that's going to be easy to hit. To that end, he could avoid the claymores by going through trees, and he more than likely has something to detect them, because he's not stupid enough to assume Swagger wouldn't have set up traps.
Swagger can make head shots from a mile out, hitting a moving target while it is much closer than that would be no problem for him.
A .50 cal sniper rifle strikes from a mile out with the velocity of a .44 magnum at point blank range, you telling me the Bat is gonna shrug that off?
The Batmobile is like an agile, super-armed tank, it's not a Ford pick up.The Batmobile is badass, I never said it wasn't, but a blast from a claymore would certainly do a bit of damage, not to mention if Swagger shoots out the tires, it's mobility will be severely hindered.How can you reasonably say it only dealt with an urban environment? It was driving over rooftops, through a cave etc. It's not like it was driving along a bumpy road and having trouble.
How has Mark Wahlberg gone from being someone who is really good with guns, to Robocop and The Terminator's love child? That's what I'm curious about.
-AC
I never claimed Swagger was the love product of two cybernetic organisms, when did I say that?
Tell me, how well would the Bat's armor hold up to a .50 cal sniper round? Or a barrage of automatic gunfire? What you cant seem to realize is that Swagger does NOT miss.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Going through the trees, I see. Lemme ask, if you know enough about Swagger as you say you do, then you know Swagger would have no problem sniping the Bat as he "goes through the trees." A well placed round from his .50 cal sniper rifle, which he is very unlikely to miss with, and the Bat is done.
I saw the movie, and I've never seen him snipe anybody that would give him as much a problem as Batman. So your counter is; "Nah, see, he'd hit him.". My whole point was that this is Batman we're talking about, not some random guy running through a forest. You're placing too much faith in his ability. This man takes our terrorists, Batman is a step above that.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Swagger can make head shots from a mile out, hitting a moving target while it is much closer than that would be no problem for him.
Moving in the sense that his target may be in a car, or whatever, unaware that he is aiming at them. If you feel Batman is as easy to hit, you don't know Batman.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
A .50 cal sniper rifle strikes from a mile out with the velocity of a .44 magnum at point blank range, you telling me the Bat is gonna shrug that off?
What's all this "The Bat" malarkey?
Anyway, no, I'm not. I'm telling you he wouldn't hit him, that's my opinion.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The Batmobile is badass, I never said it wasn't, but a blast from a claymore would certainly do a bit of damage, not to mention if Swagger shoots out the tires, it's mobility will be severely hindered.
No, you just said it wasn't able to cope with terrain in Arkansas, which is ridiculous. This Batmobile is made and manufactured by the highest level of militant technology, they have things in their possession that have never even gone into production because they're so advanced. Do you believe they will have done all that and then said "Ok mate, slap some Pirrellis on that badman and we're good to go."? No, I doubt that they've overlooked the fact that people will try to shoot the tires, but that's speculation. I'm not prepared to just agree he could shoot them out, for good reason, but I'm not in possession of any proof that he couldn't, and neither are you on your side of things.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I never claimed Swagger was the love product of two cybernetic organisms, when did I say that?
If you didn't notice that I was making a joke about how you've seemingly elevated the guy to levels he's not at, then I will have to severely take down my humour a few notches when speaking to you.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Tell me, how well would the Bat's armor hold up to a .50 cal sniper round? Or a barrage of automatic gunfire? What you cant seem to realize is that Swagger does NOT miss.
He does not miss against terrorists, Batman's a bit different, RJ.
Like I said, though. Pointless thread, then. You obviously believe that barring Batman being in cover, Swagger would implicitly win with a one shot kill, if he doesn't ever miss. So why even ask who'd win? You know who you think would win, and you know you don't care what we think, since none of us can convince you otherwise.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriSomeone who can make head shots from a mile out has no need for my faith in their abilities, the fact that they can make such a miraculous shot speaks volumes for their skills.
I saw the movie, and I've never seen him snipe anybody that would give him as much a problem as Batman. So your counter is; "Nah, see, he'd hit him.". My whole point was that this is Batman we're talking about, not some random guy running through a forest. You're placing too much faith in his ability. This man takes our terrorists, Batman is a step above that.
With Bob Lee's incredible marksmanship, yes, the Bat is essentially just another guy running through the woods.
Moving in the sense that his target may be in a car, or whatever, unaware that he is aiming at them. If you feel Batman is as easy to hit, you don't know Batman.I never said he was an easy hit, not to an average man he isn't, but Swagger is far from an ordinary man.
What's all this "The Bat" malarkey?It's slang for Batman, I am not the only one here who calls him the Bat.Anyway, no, I'm not. I'm telling you he wouldn't hit him, that's my opinion.
So Swagger, despite his incredible aim, will miss with his sniper rifle, with his G36, and with his .45's? All the while Batman is avoiding the claymores Swagger has placed around him? When did Batman go from being a badass to being a God?
No, you just said it wasn't able to cope with terrain in Arkansas, which is ridiculous. This Batmobile is made and manufactured by the highest level of militant technology, they have things in their possession that have never even gone into production because they're so advanced. Do you believe they will have done all that and then said "Ok mate, slap some Pirrellis on that badman and we're good to go."? No, I doubt that they've overlooked the fact that people will try to shoot the tires, but that's speculation. I'm not prepared to just agree he could shoot them out, for good reason, but I'm not in possession of any proof that he couldn't, and neither are you on your side of things.So you have no proof that the Batmobiles tires can't be shot out? With such a high powered weapon? Thought not.
If you didn't notice that I was making a joke about how you've seemingly elevated the guy to levels he's not at, then I will have to severely take down my humour a few notches when speaking to you.Yes, and I was joking right back at you, do try and read between the lines.
He does not miss against terrorists, Batman's a bit different, RJ.No doubt, but you seem to think Swagger has no chance whatsoever of hitting Batman at all, even with an assault rifle.
b]Like I said, though. Pointless thread, then. You obviously believe that barring Batman being in cover, Swagger would implicitly win with a one shot kill, if he doesn't ever miss. So why even ask who'd win? You know who you think would win, and you know you don't care what we think, since none of us can convince you otherwise.Not in this matchup, no, I cant be convinced Batman could win.-AC [/B]
RJ, if I started a thread, stating Batman Vs. Swagger and include comics Batman against Shooter Swagger only (cuz I can so do that) and the fight had to take place in a narrow hole with a few trenches at the bottom where Batman lays in wait for Swagger to rope down carrying only a sniper rifle since he's good with that and maybe a knife, honestly who would win there? If I created such a thread, it would be considered spam don't ya think? What's that sayin' so far?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Anyway, no, I'm not. I'm telling you he wouldn't hit him, that's my opinion.-AC
He doesn't respect that.