Bob Lee Swagger versus Batman

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
As is Swagger, and since he is a stealth expert, it is highly unlikely that EITHER of them will be snuck up on.

Lets say the Bat decides to disarm the claymores (which Swagger can detonate any time he chooses)....you think Swagger is gonna wait for him to finish before unleashing hell on him?

Look, in a scenario this laid out in favour of the person you want to win, I ask you, why, why the hell, should Batman even approach knowing of all those possibilities, and how do you think he would? Obviously the, "Driving up the only road with the batmobile, getting out and walking the last few yards in perfect view of a trained sniper" is not what he's going to do, so what is? And remember, it is Batman, one of the smartest and most skilled people in the DC universe.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Look, in a scenario this laid out in favour of the person you want to win, I ask you, why, why the hell, should Batman even approach knowing of all those possibilities, and how do you think he would? Obviously the, "Driving up the only road with the batmobile, getting out and walking the last few yards in perfect view of a trained sniper" is not what he's going to do, so what is? And remember, it is Batman, one of the smartest and most skilled people in the DC universe.

Well, in the comics he would have satellite intel on where Bob and he'll probably know about his background since he is a detective. Given his background, its not hard to guess Bob would try to snipe Bats. Batman would probably approach by plane and insert on the roof top of the structure Bob is in.

Realisticly, Bob would hear the plane and he would be ready, but he's already lost his advantage of long distance sniping. Bats would then cut the power (somehow) then get the drop on Bob.

In the movie though, Bat's hasn't shown that he has air insertion capabilities. I'm guessing that he would go in by Batmobile, which would have tech to detect explosives/ mines/what have you. His Batmobile can also go invisible, so Bob wouldn't even see him coming. Again, he might hear him when he drives closer to his position. But at that point, everything is in Batman's favour.

Originally posted by Placidity
Well, in the comics he would have satellite intel on where Bob and he'll probably know about his background since he is a detective. Given his background, its not hard to guess Bob would try to snipe Bats. Batman would probably approach by plane and insert on the roof top of the structure Bob is in.

Realisticly, Bob would hear the plane and he would be ready, but he's already lost his advantage of long distance sniping. Bats would then cut the power (somehow) then get the drop on Bob.

In the movie though, Bat's hasn't shown that he has air insertion capabilities. I'm guessing that he would go in by Batmobile, which would have tech to detect explosives/ mines/what have you. His Batmobile can also go invisible, so Bob wouldn't even see him coming. Again, he might hear him when he drives closer to his position. But at that point, everything is in Batman's favour.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Swagger is an expert at counter Intel

What...when? 😕

No one can gather info on the Batman, other than info he wants you to have. His info is top secret and should anyone try to track any info one him it's dycripted to not come up with any results, so how can Swagger know everything Batman can do?

Originally posted by Placidity
What...when? 😕

Originally posted by Scythe
No one can gather info on the Batman, other than info he wants you to have. His info is top secret and should anyone try to track any info one him it's dycripted to not come up with any results, so how can Swagger know everything Batman can do?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Why do you suppose most criminals shit themselves at the mere mention of the Bat?

Because Batman not only beats the living hell out of his criminals till they're within an inch of their life, he also traumatizes his victims. He scares them so much they shit himself. Seriously. He's wrong rubber masks to become your best friend while you have no clue your [i]actual[/] best friend is knocked out somewhere else. He knows his enemies by getting up close and personal, the he even knows how to throw his voice to confuse you and he can be beyond resourceful. This is why criminals are so afraid of Batman.

Originally posted by Scythe
Because Batman not only beats the living hell out of his criminals till they're within an inch of their life, he also traumatizes his victims. He scares them so much they shit himself. Seriously. He's wrong rubber masks to become your best friend while you have no clue your [i]actual[/] best friend is knocked out somewhere else. He knows his enemies by getting up close and personal, the he even knows how to throw his voice to confuse you and he can be beyond resourceful. This is why criminals are so afraid of Batman.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So would you say his exploits border on being legendary?

There's a reason why he's called the Legendary Dark Knight dude.

Originally posted by Scythe
There's a reason why he's called the Legendary Dark Knight dude.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So since his exploits are legendary, I am sure the weapons he used during said exploits are documented somewhere? The methods he used to achieve his goals?

I don't think hands and legs as well as his cape and his usual Batarangs that EVERYONE knows he has can be documented. How do you document something that surprises you and sends a wave of fear through the crime community. They talk about Batman but they usually talk about how horrific their experience was. Seriously, even the JLA aren't allowed to know what he's up to, he keeps his secrets even from them.

Originally posted by Scythe
I don't think hands and legs as well as his cape and his usual Batarangs that EVERYONE knows he has can be documented. How do you document something that surprises you and sends a wave of fear through the crime community. They talk about Batman but they usually talk about how horrific their experience was. Seriously, even the JLA aren't allowed to know what he's up to, he keeps his secrets even from them.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK, but what can the Bat throw at Swagger in this scenario that Swagger wouldn't be ready for?

Besides everything? The only thing Swagger might see coming are his Batarangs. Other than that he keeps everything legit. Batman may not use lethal guns, but he still uses guns. Tranq. guns, rubber bullets, and so on.

Originally posted by Scythe
Besides everything? The only thing Swagger might see coming are his Batarangs. Other than that he keeps everything legit. Batman may not use lethal guns, but he still uses guns. Tranq. guns, rubber bullets, and so on.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And you think Swagger will fall victim to these? face it, Swagger will know all the Bat has to offer. What training does the Bat have in counter intel? None.

Face it, Swagger is just a ho-hum sniper who has alot of training. Seriously, not a single person other than you has given this fight to Swagger, I think that's highly sending a message isn't it? Regardless, all you're doing is spewing nothingness. You're listing ways Swagger would win, we counter them, and you say something stupid like: "Well he has an answer to that!" The fact that you've included books, should very much seal the deal in Batman's favor, however all this is just in my opinion, you have all the right to your respected opinion, but at this point you seem like a religious-nut trying to convert others.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's in the books and the movies.

Hmm... could you tell me where in the movie?

BTW, the Batmobile could probably only take two claymore blasts. I think you asked about that somewhere earlier.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And you think Swagger will fall victim to these? face it, Swagger will know all the Bat has to offer. What training does the Bat have in counter intel? None.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So would you say his exploits border on being legendary?

If you have to ask if Batman or his exploits are considered legendary, then maybe it's best to do a bit more research on the people you pit against one another.

Why don't we all stop proving why Batman would win, since it's obvious, and let RJ provide us with reasons that this random would beat Batman.

As for knowing everything Batman has to offer, why would he. and why would it even matter? Batman's enemies know more about him than Swagger, he still wins.

-AC