How did Christ handle rejection?

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How did Christ handle rejection?

I've reached a point in my life where I feel like a reject, I've been longing for a relationship and I've tried my best to be the best man I can be but I still suffer. I hear from women that I am a great person, perhaps one of the best that they have seen however they did not want me. When I think about this, I start to think about Christ. He was perfect, he gave us hope to make it to heaven. He wanted a relationship with us. He loved us so much that he died for us and you know even then he faced rejection. With all that he did, how could a person reject him like that? How did he deal with rejection because I know that there were many that did not have faith him. It takes a lot of strength to withstand what he did. Wow, how did he do it?

Millions of others have suffered crueler or as cruel fates as Jesus' alleged crucifixtion. Many did it with love in their hearts and smiles on their faces. I prefer to worship them collectively, creating pagan idols in their honor while believing they are the sole cause of all existence. I call this collective God, Bob. It helps create a relationship between Bob and I.

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Also, one must ask, if he knew that he was the son of God and would be in heaven with God after his death, how much suffering could it truly have been? Presumably, he is the only person in history to know beyond a doubt of such a fate after death. If this is true, it puts his death in perspective and makes it not suffering or rejection at all, but a glorious celebration. So my question isn't how Jesus dealt with negativity....with rejection, suffering, etc. It's how everyone else manages to without such certainty. Wow, how do they do it?

And perfect is subjective, relative to one's view. If Jesus is perfect, it's based on faulty assumptions of objective standards as laid forth by Christian dogma, not on actual truth.

Re: How did Christ handle rejection?

Originally posted by atv2
With all that he did, how could a person reject him like that?

Because people have free will and make their own choices about how to view the world just as you have done.

Originally posted by atv2
How did he deal with rejection because I know that there were many that did not have faith him.

If you take a look at the world's religions by the numbers it's not as though the guy did poorly when all was said and done.

Originally posted by atv2
It takes a lot of strength to withstand what he did. Wow, how did he do it?

He probably just accepted that people should and could make their own choices. After that he moved on like any rational person rather and pointlessly trying to force people to agree with him. Excluding his one little outburst at the fig tree Jesus didn't really seem like the kind of person who let a lack of followers bother him at any point.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Millions of others have suffered crueler or as cruel fates as Jesus' alleged crucifixtion.

Condemned to death for little more than what he said, betrayed by every personal friend, nailed to a cross so that his lungs would collapse, stabbed in the stomach, left to die by his omnipotent father in a place reserved for criminals despite attempting to live a life of purity? Oh and he apparently lived for 33 years knowing it was all going to happen but had no way of stopping it.

Kinda hard to top that. I'm sure there are more painful deaths but hardly crueler ways to live and die.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Many did it with love in their hearts and smiles on their faces. I prefer to worship them collectively, creating pagan idols in their honor while believing they are the sole cause of all existence. I call this collective God, Bob. It helps create a relationship between Bob and I.

What a relevant and original sentiment.

Re: Re: How did Christ handle rejection?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

What a relevant and original sentiment.

Stop persecuting him for his believe in Bob.

Re: Re: Re: How did Christ handle rejection?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Stop persecuting him for his believe in Bob.

Nah.

Sym just has it in for me on this forum. I can't say two sentences without him taking exception to them. I don't let it bother me. But the over-the-top sentiment of this guy was begging for a sarcastic response, which I provided before answering the questioning more earnestly.

Also, something doesn't have to be original to make a valid point.

Re: How did Christ handle rejection?

Originally posted by atv2
I've reached a point in my life where I feel like a reject, I've been longing for a relationship and I've tried my best to be the best man I can be but I still suffer. I hear from women that I am a great person, perhaps one of the best that they have seen however they did not want me. When I think about this, I start to think about Christ. He was perfect, he gave us hope to make it to heaven. He wanted a relationship with us. He loved us so much that he died for us and you know even then he faced rejection. With all that he did, how could a person reject him like that? How did he deal with rejection because I know that there were many that did not have faith him. It takes a lot of strength to withstand what he did. Wow, how did he do it?

dont feel like a reject, it isnt ur fault, and its the first step. not feeling sorry for yourself is paramount my friend.

as for christ. i agree with the points posted before, it isnt exactly a lot of suffering, if you have the promise of being the victor and knowing for a fact that ur right.

Re: How did Christ handle rejection?

Originally posted by atv2
How did Christ handle rejection?

I have read that he stopped by the local pantry on his way home, got a gallon of Rum Raisin ice cream, curled up in front of Lifetime: Television for Women and Gay Men, unplugged the phone and just vegg'd out all weekend. In other words, he didn't handle it very well.

Re: Re: How did Christ handle rejection?

Originally posted by Devil King
I have read that he stopped by the local pantry on his way home, got a gallon of Rum Raisin ice cream

Did he remember to replace the can of salmon he ate yesterday?

Re: Re: Re: How did Christ handle rejection?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Did he remember to replace the can of salmon he ate yesterday?

If he expects to have a job come monday morning, he did.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Also, one must ask, if he knew that he was the son of God and would be in heaven with God after his death, how much suffering could it truly have been? Presumably, he is the only person in history to know beyond a doubt of such a fate after death. If this is true, it puts his death in perspective and makes it not suffering or rejection at all, but a glorious celebration. So my question isn't how Jesus dealt with negativity....with rejection, suffering, etc. It's how everyone else manages to without such certainty. Wow, how do they do it?

And perfect is subjective, relative to one's view. If Jesus is perfect, it's based on faulty assumptions of objective standards as laid forth by Christian dogma, not on actual truth.


Christ suffered the weight of all the sins of mankind. It was not the physical torment that caused the most suffering, but rather the sheer burden of every single misdeed that was, is, and will be.

Also, your statement about how perfection is subjective is an objective statement that is actually subjective. At least, according to your reasoning.

but that doesnt make sense. he would only have FELT the weight at the exact moment of DEATH, as his death was when the PRICE for all the sins of mankind was payed. but he cried "oh god, oh god why hast thou forsaken me" BEFORE he died, pointing to his suffering. needless to say, in either way, it was the PHYSICAL suffering which was the most apparent to him, and yeah, i can think of far more terrible lives led and far more terrible deaths of the same people than christ. not to make a mockery of his suffering which was indeed very great over time, but still, there are worse.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Christ suffered the weight of all the sins of mankind. It was not the physical torment that caused the most suffering, but rather the sheer burden of every single misdeed that was, is, and will be.

How convenient...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
but that doesnt make sense. he would only have FELT the weight at the exact moment of DEATH, as his death was when the PRICE for all the sins of mankind was payed. but he cried "oh god, oh god why hast thou forsaken me" BEFORE he died, pointing to his suffering.

First of all, I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that Christ would have only felt the weight of sins at the moment of death. That doesn't make any sense.

Second of all, Christ's emotional suffering was enormous, considering that he suffered from hematidrosis.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Christ suffered the weight of all the sins of mankind. It was not the physical torment that caused the most suffering, but rather the sheer burden of every single misdeed that was, is, and will be.

Also, your statement about how perfection is subjective is an objective statement that is actually subjective. At least, according to your reasoning.

Thus proving my point.

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Be careful not to make the objectivism fallacy, however. Opinions are subjective. Like what "perfect" is, for example. Empirical facts can be treated as objective, as there is a basis for analysis and comparison.

Also, how did he feel this burden? Was it knowledge of every sin throughout time, which would shatter a physical mind into incoherence? Or was it simply the concept of it, which of course could be tiring, but would be uplifting when one knows the eternal heavenly payoff at the end.

No, Christ, within a Christian paradigm, had it easy. If I knew beyond a doubt that I was the Son of God, I'd happily accept all that Jesus suffered and more, and not consider it a burden in the least.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Empirical facts can be treated as objective

eeep!

Re: How did Christ handle rejection?

Originally posted by atv2
I've reached a point in my life where I feel like a reject, I've been longing for a relationship and I've tried my best to be the best man I can be but I still suffer. I hear from women that I am a great person, perhaps one of the best that they have seen however they did not want me. When I think about this, I start to think about Christ. He was perfect, he gave us hope to make it to heaven. He wanted a relationship with us. He loved us so much that he died for us and you know even then he faced rejection. With all that he did, how could a person reject him like that? How did he deal with rejection because I know that there were many that did not have faith him. It takes a lot of strength to withstand what he did. Wow, how did he do it?

I think a lot of people will use this as a springboard to just start another debate and overlook the fact that you've started the discussion stating you have a big problem with yourself right now. Believe me, I know what it's like to be romantically rejected and it's a tough thing to be disliked.

But I agree with what someone said earlier. The key thing is to not feel sorry for yourself. I don't claim to know every facet of Jesus' mind, but he was afraid to die. It's not a sin to be afraid; rather it's a sin to be dominated by fear. He put aside a lot of things in order to fulfill his mission on earth. You need to find something to do that makes you feel like you're fulfilling your mission, whether it be your job or some kind of volunteering or just being a better friend to people. Once you gain some confidence and a more permanent sense of self-worth, I'm sure it will do a lot for you. And if no woman wants to be with you...that sucks, but it doesn't mean your life is no good or incomplete. Before I met my husband, I had to come to terms with the fact that I may not ever get married and be okay with that. I was headed into my great career and learned the world has a lot of doors that can be opened.

Don't get discouraged. You sound like you are a fellow Christian, and I know it's easier said than done, but you and God can work this out through prayer. That's not to say people of other belief systems can't help you out or give you good advice, but a value I as a Christian hold to is the power of prayer. You'll be okay.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Christ suffered the weight of all the sins of mankind. It was not the physical torment that caused the most suffering, but rather the sheer burden of every single misdeed that was, is, and will be.

Also, your statement about how perfection is subjective is an objective statement that is actually subjective. At least, according to your reasoning.

And mine don't seem to even slow me down. It's funny how two people expereince the same thing two different ways, isn't it?

Here I am going through life not noticing the weight of my sins and all along it's been because Christ took the bullet. Maybe this whole conversion/salvation thing would have been easier if he'd allow us to carry our own burden. Kind of like a chick that's lost a lot of weight and is then made to carry 4 bowling balls to illustrate how much fat she no longer schleps around all over the place.

Originally posted by Devil King
And mine don't seem to even slow me down. It's funny how two people expereince the same thing two different ways, isn't it?

You feel the pressure of every last one of humanity's sins?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You feel the pressure of every last one of humanity's sins?

If I say I do, then it's pretty much a fact, isn't it? Would you feel better if I wrote it down for you?