Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Superman in DOS was KOed by a gas station explosion.By force field, I assume you mean his bio aura.
And DD blitzed them before a neuron could go through their brains? WTF? Since when?
DD's top speed was clocked at soundspeed in DOS.
Cable stomps.
Read Death of Superman again and see how many times DD has blitzed for neurons can fire. Blitzing an entire team simultaneously, with Superman included, before nuerons can fire in heads that can see bullets as still motion is insane. The whole team complained about his speed many times, even saying that he is faster than Flash himself. The author intentions were clear here.
Originally posted by jasofisc
godlike cable fought a guy who moves at light speed I think he can handle DOS doomsday's speed. Also when his speed was commeted as being as fast as the flash it was by booster gold who is just a normal guy.on a side note I like it how when on the forum if we are talking about a marvel brick like hulk most people say he doesn't have super speed (he doesn't) but they do say that Doomsday does. it took doomsday how long to get to metropolise or any other of his speed feats. Hulk has just as many "speed" feats where other superfast characters comment on his speed but also lacks any travling speed feats. Both are and never have been super fast like flash or anyother speedster. I'm saying all that to say that cable handled hulk when he wasn't godlike and can handle doomsday when he is godlike.
Good point, very good point.
Originally posted by h1a8
Read Death of Superman again and see how many times DD has blitzed for neurons can fire. Blitzing an entire team [B]simultaneously, with Superman included, before nuerons can fire in heads that can see bullets as still motion is insane. The whole team complained about his speed many times, even saying that he is faster than Flash himself. The author intentions were clear here. [/B]
Wow, this is hilarious. I guess wolverine and spiderman has super speed also since wolverine has blitzed teams before they can react and spiderman blitzed the xmen.
And show me a second time they compared his speed to flash. To my knowledge it was only once.
I am a fan of Booster Goold, so this isn't a knock on him, but considering we never see Doomsday streaking around like the Flash and Booster Gold is prone to hyperbole, I'm pretty sure that is far from proof that Doomsday had superspeed. Hell, I'm pretty sure at that time, Wally West also had trouble running past light speed. I don't even think he had proper access to the Speed Force at the time of Death of Superman.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I am a fan of Booster Goold, so this isn't a knock on him, but considering we never see Doomsday streaking around like the Flash and Booster Gold is prone to hyperbole, I'm pretty sure that is far from proof that Doomsday had superspeed. Hell, I'm pretty sure at that time, Wally West also had trouble running past light speed. I don't even think he had proper access to the Speed Force at the time of Death of Superman.
Wait. Didn't Superman say DD was so fast the he didnt' see him move?
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
I think that was Guy Gardner who said that.
Originally posted by carver9
Wow, this is hilarious. I guess wolverine and spiderman has super speed also since wolverine has blitzed teams before they can react and spiderman blitzed the xmen.And show me a second time they compared his speed to flash. To my knowledge it was only once.
It's who you blitz that give rise to the magnitude of one's speed. The X-men is nothing compared to Superman in terms of speed.
Originally posted by jasofisc
godlike cable fought a guy who moves at light speed I think he can handle DOS doomsday's speed. Also when his speed was commeted as being as fast as the flash it was by booster gold who is just a normal guy.on a side note I like it how when on the forum if we are talking about a marvel brick like hulk most people say he doesn't have super speed (he doesn't) but they do say that Doomsday does. it took doomsday how long to get to metropolise or any other of his speed feats. Hulk has just as many "speed" feats where other superfast characters comment on his speed but also lacks any travling speed feats. Both are and never have been super fast like flash or anyother speedster. I'm saying all that to say that cable handled hulk when he wasn't godlike and can handle doomsday when he is godlike.
These characters aren't real. Neither did this stuff really happen. Thus we can't rationalize like we can if this stuff were real. We must go on the writer's intention. And it is clear that the writer wanted the being they created to kill Superman to have insane Flashlike speed.
Originally posted by Ouallada
It was also pretty clear to me that the writers' intention was to have WWH being unstoppable in battle, in addition to being capable of nigh every strength feat. Sorry, but as the saying goes, the grandest of thoughts is eclipsed by the smallest of actions.
Being unstoppable in the sense you're using is unclear whereas being a certain degree of fast isn't. It wasn't stated how powerful WWH was. Thus we must go on feats alone. It was stated how fast DD was and it was also backed up several times in the comic. How many times has Superman complained over someone's speed before?
Lastly if WWH was ever stated on panel to lift X tons or move at X speed then I will gladly accept that. See the difference here?
Originally posted by h1a8
Being unstoppable in the sense you're using is unclear whereas being a certain degree of fast isn't. It wasn't stated how powerful WWH was. Thus we must go on feats alone. It was stated how fast DD was and it was also backed up several times in the comic. How many times has Superman complained over someone's speed before?Lastly if WWH was ever stated on panel to lift X tons or move at X speed then I will gladly accept that. See the difference here?
When was it explicitly stated how fast Doomsday was in that arc? The point I made had nothing to do with whether or not a weak version of Superman complained about Doomsday, but:
We must go on the writer's intention. And it is clear that the writer wanted the being they created to kill Superman to have insane Flashlike speed.
A quick search for writer interviews pertaining to WWH should show you what the writers' intentions were, which would suffice, according to the above quote.
Originally posted by h1a8
Being unstoppable in the sense you're using is unclear whereas being a certain degree of fast isn't. It wasn't stated how powerful WWH was. Thus we must go on feats alone. It was stated how fast DD was and it was also backed up several times in the comic. How many times has Superman complained over someone's speed before?Lastly if WWH was ever stated on panel to lift X tons or move at X speed then I will gladly accept that. See the difference here?
He didnt do anything to even make me think that he was close to flash speed. Hell he couldnt even land a lick off of maxima who was bumb rushing him the entire time. You go off of one thing said by a character name booster and you use it as refrence. Well I guess since wolverine stated that colossus move faster then lightning its a true statement huh.