Godlike Cable vs. DOS Doomsday

Originally posted by Ouallada
When was it explicitly stated how fast Doomsday was in that arc? The point I made had nothing to do with whether or not a weak version of Superman complained about Doomsday, but:

A quick search for writer interviews pertaining to WWH should show you what the writers' intentions were, which would suffice, according to the above quote.

I read it. Greg Pak right?
His intentions in the comic aren't clear. For he had Sentry stalemate him.

The point is that I agree that writer's opinions alone isn't valid. But their opinions/intentions are indeed valid if backed up back the comic. Greg Pak's opinions aren't back up by the comic whereas DD's speed is.

Originally posted by carver9
He didnt do anything to even make me think that he was close to flash speed. Hell he couldnt even land a lick off of maxima who was bumb rushing him the entire time. You go off of one thing said by a character name booster and you use it as refrence. Well I guess since wolverine stated that colossus move faster then lightning its a true statement huh.

Originally posted by h1a8
I read it. Greg Pak right?
His intentions in the comic aren't clear. For he had Sentry stalemate him.

The point is that I agree that writer's opinions alone isn't valid. But their opinions/intentions are indeed valid if backed up back the comic. Greg Pak's opinions aren't back up by the comic whereas DD's speed is.

Sentry didn't stalemate him, Sentry lost.

Originally posted by Mindset
Sentry didn't stalemate him, Sentry lost.

Didn't both turn back into their original forms?

Originally posted by h1a8
Didn't both turn back into their original forms?

Except one was koed and the other was fine, and he reverted back to Hulk and stronger than ever shortly afterwards. 😬

Originally posted by Mindset
Except one was koed and the other was fine, and he reverted back to Hulk and stronger than ever shortly afterwards. 😬

Well it was very close to a stalemate. If Sentry had just a little more left then he would have won.

Originally posted by h1a8
Well it was very close to a stalemate. If Sentry had just a little more left then he would have won.

Not really, Banner reverted back to the Hulk in like a minute after he defeated Sentry, if Sentry kept fighting the Hulk would have gotten angrier and would have not reverted.

Originally posted by Mindset
Not really, Banner reverted back to the Hulk in like a minute after he defeated Sentry, if Sentry kept fighting the Hulk would have gotten angrier and would have not reverted.

Okay! My mistake. I thought they both turned at nearly the same time.

Originally posted by h1a8
Okay! My mistake. I thought they both turned at nearly the same time.

Oh, they did, but I believe it had more to do with Hulk not having anything to fuel his angry, since Sentry was already losing, than it had to do with Hulk running out of energy, since he was able to revert and become even more powerful shortly after Bob fell.

Originally posted by h1a8
I read it. Greg Pak right?
His intentions in the comic aren't clear. For he had Sentry stalemate him.

The point is that I agree that writer's opinions alone isn't valid. But their opinions/intentions are indeed valid if backed up back the comic. Greg Pak's opinions aren't back up by the comic whereas DD's speed is.

It was only a stalemate because Sentry calmed him down due to the radiation he was emitting.

The point is that your surmising that a certain feat holds water due to the writers' intentions even in iffy circumstances (Superman wasn't FTL, and slower characters commenting on Doomsday's speed does not automatically make Doomsday operate at Flash level, just like a normal human commenting that Spiderman moves like a blur does not automatically make the latter Quicksilver level) works both ways. If it works for Doomsday, that same logic should work for Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Hell he couldnt even land a lick off of maxima who was bumb rushing him the entire time.

Do you have some kind of disease that makes you lie? Maxima was shown punching him twice, one of which was a sucker punch, before Superman showed up. Doomsday then rushed Superman, and Maxima while they were talking. During that fight he also knocked away Maxima and shamed a van on top of her.

God, Cable wrecks the hell out of DOS DD.
No contest.

Originally posted by Ouallada
It was only a stalemate because Sentry calmed him down due to the radiation he was emitting.

The point is that your surmising that a certain feat holds water due to the writers' intentions even in iffy circumstances (Superman wasn't FTL, and slower characters commenting on Doomsday's speed does not automatically make Doomsday operate at Flash level, just like a normal human commenting that Spiderman moves like a blur does not automatically make the latter Quicksilver level) works both ways. If it works for Doomsday, that same logic should work for Hulk.

First of all Superman may not have been FTL but he still had FTL reflexes. Second, Green Lanterns have superb reflexes, much higher than humans on average. The writer clearly wanted DD to be fast as Flash. Now if you wanted a character that you are creating to be fast as Flash when fighting a team then how would you show it? This is how the writer was trying to show for DD.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
God, Cable wrecks the hell out of DOS DD.
No contest.

Originally posted by h1a8
First of all, Cable doesn't have the power to even scratch DD.
The only way for him to win is through BFR.
But what if DD wrecks him before he could do anything?

Cable can alter things at the molecular level, that wouldn't affect DD?

Originally posted by h1a8
First of all Superman may not have been FTL but he still had FTL reflexes. Second, Green Lanterns have superb reflexes, much higher than humans on average. The writer clearly wanted DD to be fast as Flash. Now if you wanted a character that you are creating to be fast as Flash when fighting a team then how would you show it? This is how the writer was trying to show for DD.

Your first statement about Superman is, in my opinion, extremely subjective.

About the GLs, how far they are above humans is irrelevant when seeking to use it as a proxy for the doomsday-flash hypothesis, same as how far a human is stronger than a small mammal has no bearing on a comparison of strength between Colossus and Mangog.

The rest of what you said applies to strength, WWH, and writers' intentions as well. I don't buy it necessarily, but that's just how your cookie crumbles.

Originally posted by Mindset
Cable can alter things at the molecular level, that wouldn't affect DD?

No! For DD's composition is bound too tight for someone of Cable's power level to even manipulate.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Your first statement about Superman is, in my opinion, extremely subjective.

About the GLs, how far they are above humans is irrelevant when seeking to use it as a proxy for the doomsday-flash hypothesis, same as how far a human is stronger than a small mammal has no bearing on a comparison of strength between Colossus and Mangog.

The rest of what you said applies to strength, WWH, and writers' intentions as well. I don't buy it necessarily, but that's just how your cookie crumbles.

You example/analogy is wrong. I compared a human to a GL to DD. This is relevant since Cable has less than or equal to reflexes of a GL. So DD should tear him a hole before he can react as well.

Originally posted by h1a8
No! For DD's composition is bound too tight for someone of Cable's power level to even manipulate.

Originally posted by h1a8
You example/analogy is wrong. I compared a human to a GL to DD. This is relevant since Cable has less than or equal to reflexes of a GL. So DD should tear him a hole before he can react as well.

You look both sides before you cross the road. I would advise the same amount of discretion before you throw out more of your poor, and subjective criticism.

slower characters commenting on Doomsday's speed does not automatically make Doomsday operate at Flash level

From me.

Second, Green Lanterns have superb reflexes, much higher than humans on average. The writer clearly wanted DD to be fast as Flash

Your response. You stating that GLs being surprised by Doomsday's speed automatically qualifies the latter as flash-level is absurd, as you compared GLs' reflexes to that of humans, a completely irrelevant comparison and proxy as far as having Flash-level speed and reflexes go.

By that coin, saying that Colossus has Mangog-level strength by saying that he is in a league way above normal humans, while pre-qualifying the latter by stating that humans are in turn stronger than a random small animal should be validated. It isn't, even though the individual statements are correct, because said statements are utterly irrelevant where Mangog is concerned. If that flies over you, let me use a more parallel example. Can an entity be placed in Mangog's level simply because it is outside Colossus' strength league, which is in turn justified by the latter being outside the league of normal humans?

Finally, nowhere in my previous post was anything posited about Cable's speed. All that was posited was that your logical chain leading to Doomsday being flash-level in terms of speed and reflex has more holes than two barrels of swiss cheese, with half the substance.