Yea I saw the movie three times and
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I swear he was breathing at the end whether that was Eckhart not being able to hold his breath or what I don't know. Plus I think if Batman had killed Harvey/Two Face he'd be a little more distraught. I mean he saved the Joker's life, kind of sucks if he killed Harvey instead...though that would be kind of ironic...but if that is the case then the emotional reaction to it was kind of lame so I prefer to think he isn't dead, they'll just say he is and lock him up in Arkham
If any of you guys have been paying attention to the two Batman movies Nolan has made you should have realised that he's not following the traditional comic-book movie formula.
There's no way that he's going to go from the excellent origin story to Batman's most famous adversary to another super villain. Doing something like that would be too traditional and formulaic. If Nolan makes the next movie, it's going to be a lot more complex than, "Ooo, what villain shall we use now?".
As I said, in the context of Nolan's Batman movies, the most likely villain of the next movie will be Batman himself.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
If any of you guys have been paying attention to the two Batman movies Nolan has made you should have realised that he's not following the traditional comic-book movie formula.There's no way that he's going to go from the excellent origin story to Batman's most famous adversary to another super villain. Doing something like that would be too traditional and formulaic. If Nolan makes the next movie, it's going to be a lot more complex than, "Ooo, what villain shall we use now?".
As I said, in the context of Nolan's Batman movies, the most likely villain of the next movie will be Batman himself.
I could see Batman being considered the "villain", much like a guy like Michael Corleone is considered a "villain" even though he's the main character... But he needs someone to go up against in between being chased by the cops...
Not to sound like a broken record, but Reaper gets my vote... Or Penguin and Black Mask to "bridge the gap" between freak and gangster...
Originally posted by Bat Dude
I could see Batman being considered the "villain", much like a guy like Michael Corleone is considered a "villain" even though he's the main character... But he needs someone to go up against in between being chased by the cops...Not to sound like a broken record, but Reaper gets my vote... Or Penguin and Black Mask to "bridge the gap" between freak and gangster...
I believe Nolan has said that Penguin won't be showing up. If he did though it would make for a good story
They can do Elliot and the Riddler. Two-face is in the back ground somewhere. Hush and the Riddler convinced and manipulated everyone including Batman pretty damn good.
Elliot was born into a wealthy family just like Bruce but he took a different path instead. We can have the hole thing about him killing his parents, the start of Hush and bring in Riddler and manipulate everyone.
here are my thoughts on where they can do next, and from a reallistic standpoint:
resolve the Harvey Dent/Two Face situation
The Penguin - if gothams crime is still not lowered, it could be because of the Penguin, using his nightclubs etc as a cover for his criminal activities, and as batman continues to clean up gotham, he's bound to run into some gangsters, which leads back to a certain 'gentlemen of crime'
cant think of anyone that could fill the shoes of Joker or Two Face. Obviously if Two face is still alive, he could carry some decent weight in the next film, with related issues relating to batman and wayne. Catwoman is just a petty burglar. The Riddler, if Nolan can do it lol. I wanna see what Nolan would do with Mr Freeze. just curious. Hush would be itneresting too
I think Two-Face should be in the next movie. Maybe out for revenge against the mob and introduce Catwoman as a jewel thief. You could even toss in the Ridder as a third thread to the story. And then end it there. I believe Nolan said he wants to do a trilogy, so I think that would be a pretty good close to his story arc.
I also really like the idea of Gotham Knight. So maybe do another one to fill the gap between TDK and the next film and I'll consider my Batman DVD collection complete.
Well, I'm not really into an overt love relationship between Batman and Catwoman. And I'm certainly not into the Burton route of a string of love interests who know Batman is Bruce Wayne. But a subtle, just-under-the-surface lust between the two could actually be a really hot angle for the third film. I just want her to have her goggles and be less blatantly cat-like in appearance. Skin tight leather is a must though.
Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Catwoman could be in it because Batman/Bruce doesn't have anyone to love anymore.
yeah catwoman could work for that purpose but like, after villans like Ras plotting to cleanse gotham through fear with Scarecrow, and Joker and the mobs with acts of desperation leading to chaos and creating Two Face...
after batman forever i cant take the Riddler seriously. Imagine watching the serious tone of batman, and like christian bale comes across a riddle, would it fit? Mr Freeze is a stretch out there alongside ClayFace.
I like Killer Croc idea in Gotham Knight, as long as he actually doesnt look entirely like a crocodile w/ a full fledged tail lol but rather a mysterious entity, with an extreme medical/skin condition right. and Obvs Penguin still driving the crime in gotham
Originally posted by freek
Hush wouldn't be the same without jason todd, least imo.
Personally i would like Ra's to return, it would work well with the emphasis placed in Dark Knight on Batman's "rules", and would allow the introduction of Talia as a love interest.
yeah and the reason for Ras coming back was cuz he heard batman went on a killing spree, confronting bruce/batman, and in the back of his mind knowing it might be too good to be true haha
This is what should happen in my opinion, and I'll start with the first 2 films...
Scarecrow: wasn't that big a bad guy IMO and I don't see him being able to cause Batman much more pain/agony anymore. I think it'd be more of an annoyance than anything.
Ra's: I don't think he's dead. We've seen people survive through much worse. Added to the fact that one of his goons could've taken him to one of the lazarus pits, it's very possible. And I've always held him up there in respect level to Joker (although as a different type of "villain"😉. Ra's is usually on a whole other level compared to most of his foes. He usually thinks globally, not just for Gotham. They should bring him back, eventually.
Two-Face: They had a memoriam for Dent, not Two Face. And as the same with Ra's, we've seen people survive a lot worse. As people here are saying, they saw him breathing. I saw the movie twice (which by the way, once was regular screen and the other was IMAX - no comparison). I believe he should be brought back and have him causing trouble for Gordon and Batman while killing off some of the mob that contributed to his losses/changes.
Joker: Amazing performance. As much as I'd hate for them to say "We're never going to bring back Joker", it may be the best thing to do. With that said though, I don't think it'd be that hard for them to bring him back. Make up shouldn't make it that difficult to make him look similar. The hard part will find someone who can do as close a job to Heath's portrayal.
I think in the next one we'll need a love interest for Bruce, and I think it should be either Selina or Talia. Either would suffice. I'd love to see Catwoman done...correctly. I think having Mr. Freeze would be a horrible move. I think Bane would be amazing to have, if done correctly. He's smart, strong as hell and it could be done very realistically. Poison Ivy to me would be too unrealistic. Penguin could be done, but it would have to be done correctly as well. I think the Riddler would be awesome, if he wasn't done as being too corny like Jim Carey's version.
I think the way to go would be to have Catwoman as a minor villain/love interest. Bane as a minor villain (the muscle villain, who could seriously hurt Batman/leave him for dead) and make The Riddler the brains of the operation / Major Villain.
**Batmobile Note** - I think that they should bring in a Batmobile like he has in the comics. Something sleek.
This is where they're going next:
As for the third flick, I think the dialogue at the end showed us who they're going to develop as Robin. "Why is he running? But he didn't do anything wrong". Only Gordon and the kid know the truth, which is the perfect lead-in for the kid to dedicate himself to copycatting Batman, which leads to Bats scolding then reluctantly training him.
They'll probably tell us Joker died in prison. But while alive he shared a cell with an Edward Nigma, who's psychotic enough in his own way that Joker sees him as an heir of sorts to his mayhem. But Harvey Dent's got other plans...
Catwoman shows up as a Chinese beauty (Lucy Lu) who comes to Gotham seeking revenge for Batman's capture of her father. Her sole purpose is to kill The Batman and regain her family's honor.
The League of Shadows returns! After refusing to lead the League of Shadows, Talia al Ghul seeks out the one man who can protect her, The Batman. Talia and Bruce grow close but the sting of loosing Rachel keeps them apart...
The movie ends with double fight scenes ala Revenge of The Sith. After developing feelings for Bruce, Talia confronts Catwoman on a Gotham rooftop while Batman and Robin fight The League below, with Robin returning the favor of saving Bruce's life. At the last moment Alfred & Luscious figure out the Riddler's riddle but it's too late! Our heroes are surrounded by the Riddler's gun-toting thugs and prepares to go down as only heroes do. Bruce expresses regret at training Robin when suddenly the miraculous happens:Harvey Dent flips a coin and sacrifices himself to save Gotham's true hero.
I know this is a lot, but the way Chris Nolan gave all of his characters the perfect amount of screen time, I believe he can make this a 3 hour epic to rival The Dark Night.
I could have a full script ready for $10 mil U.S., if anyone at Warner Bros. is reading.
Originally posted by Darth Creasy
This is where they're going next:As for the third flick, I think the dialogue at the end showed us who they're going to develop as Robin. "Why is he running? But he didn't do anything wrong". Only Gordon and the kid know the truth, which is the perfect lead-in for the kid to dedicate himself to copycatting Batman, which leads to Bats scolding then reluctantly training him.
They'll probably tell us Joker died in prison. But while alive he shared a cell with an Edward Nigma, who's psychotic enough in his own way that Joker sees him as an heir of sorts to his mayhem. But Harvey Dent's got other plans...
Catwoman shows up as a Chinese beauty (Lucy Lu) who comes to Gotham seeking revenge for Batman's capture of her father. Her sole purpose is to kill The Batman and regain her family's honor.
The League of Shadows returns! After refusing to lead the League of Shadows, Talia al Ghul seeks out the one man who can protect her, The Batman. Talia and Bruce grow close but the sting of loosing Rachel keeps them apart...
The movie ends with double fight scenes ala Revenge of The Sith. After developing feelings for Bruce, Talia confronts Catwoman on a Gotham rooftop while Batman and Robin fight The League below, with Robin returning the favor of saving Bruce's life. At the last moment Alfred & Luscious figure out the Riddler's riddle but it's too late! Our heroes are surrounded by the Riddler's gun-toting thugs and prepares to go down as only heroes do. Bruce expresses regret at training Robin when suddenly the miraculous happens:Harvey Dent flips a coin and sacrifices himself to save Gotham's true hero.
I know this is a lot, but the way Chris Nolan gave all of his characters the perfect amount of screen time, I believe he can make this a 3 hour epic to rival The Dark Night.
I could have a full script ready for $10 mil U.S., if anyone at Warner Bros. is reading.
😆 what a joke.