Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
I'd rather see a recasting of The Joker than a second rate joker like The Riddler.
But the Riddler was never meant to be a second-rate Joker. They are two distinct characters, Schumacer be damned. I would love to see a good Riddler, maybe played by someone like Vincent Kartheiser. But if The Riddler is not re-worked into a more believable character, then he should not be involved in this story arc.
I'm not saying the Joker can't be re-cast, but I would prefer his character was handled in a seperate re-telling, maybe in a Gotham Knight style consideration. And more importantly as a closer to the Nolan-verse, in a revision of the Killing Joke. Maybe even one that considers some of the stories we encounter in the Batman Novels. Rather than telling the story of the Joker's wife being killed by an accident or him being blackmailed by the mob, him telling the story of killing a neighbourhood child that unwantedly following him to his "special place" and being killed because of it would be great. The Batman walking into his cell would be a great reflection of this movie. They aren't at odds as they were in this movie, but Batman is looking for some measure of closure without killing The Joker...or at least before it comes to that.
And Catwoman should be in the next film. I think she's a pretty obvious reflection of the Batman. That's why there's some measure of sexual tension between them.
So, Two-Face, Catwoman and the Riddler if there's room. Otherwise leave the other villains to an animated short for the other important villains.
The Riddler has always been The Joker-lite in my eyes.
Everyone knows that The Joker is Batman's ultimate nemesis, that's why I can't see a way around a recast for Nolan's final Batman movie. All the other villains that have been mentioned would be a step-down. That's why I think either The Joker will be back, or Batman will end up being the villain himself of the final piece.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
The Riddler has always been The Joker-lite in my eyes.Everyone knows that The Joker is Batman's ultimate nemesis, that's why I can't see a way around a recast for Nolan's final Batman movie. All the other villains that have been mentioned would be a step-down. That's why I think either The Joker will be back, or Batman will end up being the villain himself of the final piece.
yeah exactly, all the other villains are a step down from the Joker. The only one is Two Face IF he is still alive. I mean he might still be, not like he was in a speeding elevated train with a microwave emitor that slammed into the side of a water treatment facility underground parking area. He just fell like 2 stories (along with batman?) and landed yes on his back, if i recall that properly. However a kid in the states fell out of a tree bout the same height and survived, only cuz the way he landed on his back was the most ideal way to land from a fall.
Two Face HAS to be alive he already has a connecting role with Bruce and as Two Face, with Batman. How is batman gonna be the villain himself? interal conflict? or some sort of Spider-Man 3's symbiote type deal where he becomes the villain? where batman lives long enough to see himself become the villain...like Dent. the internal conflict thing has been done a lot idk what they could do with it that would be different
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I think the Riddler was the Joker-lite in Batman Forever, but that's not how he typically acts in the comics.
And speaking of diservices of characters, I think it just that to say all other villains are slightly lesser versions of the Joker. A lot of batman villains were just that, but don't forget how long some of these characters have been around. Even The Joker has a huge range in his past. He started out as a psychological character and has been through periods of laughable banality and it was only in the last few decades that he's retuned to a character-driven villain rather than a gimmick-driven villain. In fact, Batman characters , along with a small handfull of other comic icons, have been around long enough to truly reflect the course comics have taken in the history of their publication.
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
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I agree with the Bob Hoskins choice. That is a very direct result of his character in the Jet Li movie Unleashed, in which he was extremely excellent. If Penguin were at all involved in this version of Batman, it would need to be a character much like Hoskin's in that movie.
But, like most lists of this nature, it suffers from who-would-look-good-asthis-character-or-that syndrome, much more than it actually addresses who would stand out in that role. I can't think of anyone who would have put Heath Ledger of their list of possibles to play The Joker.
Originally posted by Devil King
I agree with the Bob Hoskins choice. That is a very direct result of his character in the Jet Li movie Unleashed, in which he was extremely excellent. If Penguin were at all involved in this version of Batman, it would need to be a character much like Hoskin's in that movie.But, like most lists of this nature, it suffers from who-would-look-good-asthis-character-or-that syndrome, much more than it actually addresses who would stand out in that role. I can't think of anyone who would have put Heath Ledger of their list of possibles to play The Joker.
I agree. Besides you know that their will be many more list like that in the weeks and months to come.
ya thats really true..
so far none of the actors chosen to play the various villians we have seen so far have looked the way we imagined they should look on screen.. but that hasnt been a bad things neccesaarily..
i mean the scarecrow was pretty, ras al ghul was straight european, zsasz was some skinhead, and the joker was a mesed up semi pretty boy whose make up and clothes made him look like a bum. even harvey dent didnt end up lookin how i always pictured he would in a movie... but all have worked ouut really and been criticaly successful portraysls... nolan and co. definitly arent lookin to simply satisfy the fans images of the characters. they jus go for talent.. heh imagine that!
Originally posted by Devil King
I agree with the Bob Hoskins choice. That is a very direct result of his character in the Jet Li movie Unleashed, in which he was extremely excellent. If Penguin were at all involved in this version of Batman, it would need to be a character much like Hoskin's in that movie.But, like most lists of this nature, it suffers from who-would-look-good-asthis-character-or-that syndrome, much more than it actually addresses who would stand out in that role. I can't think of anyone who would have put Heath Ledger of their list of possibles to play The Joker.
Bob Hoskins is a great actor, definately my first pick and the actor safe to pitch if i had anything to do with casting for Penguin
i really want to see The Ventriloquist is a minor annoyance in the next batman. Wiki says Ventrilo was born into a mafia family, and if i still recall. Gotham still needs some cleanin up
Originally posted by Devil King
That is certainly what I walked out of the theater thinking, but I can see why people think he might not be. I know that seemed the point of the agreement between Batman and Gordon, but I can also see where others are coming from and I woud rather see him back than relegated only to the last half hour of this film.
If the fall would not have been fatal, then Jim Gordon, Jr. was never truly in danger.
And unlike Rā's al Ghūl, the death of Two Face produced a body.
another idea for where they can go that will be really interesting is, have the next film be set in the future where bruce wayne's batman is retired, a more of a Batman Beyond type deal, without the super sci fi.
I really think that might be the only way to top it, Two Face might be dead and Riddler, Catwoman and Penguin might not have enough spice to top TDK.
the movie could start off with like young batman that we know taking down villains in engaging scenes, like with Riddler, show young bruce wayne matured and what adopted an opharned child grayson, taught him etc. Clips of em in action, then any other interesting things. and then cut to present day where we see the aged bruce retired batman, show some sympathy for the character and then like how there is a talk of the town of some kid and u know where itll go from there.
thats my idea to top tdk, i dunno how they can do it since Joker is batmans ultimate nemesis, bring the next batman to where it all began, an alternative idea than the obvious taking it to the next villain
Originally posted by xNIXSONx
another idea for where they can go that will be really interesting is, have the next film be set in the future where bruce wayne's batman is retired, a more of a Batman Beyond type deal, without the super sci fi.I really think that might be the only way to top it, Two Face might be dead and Riddler, Catwoman and Penguin might not have enough spice to top TDK.
the movie could start off with like young batman that we know taking down villains in engaging scenes, like with Riddler, show young bruce wayne matured and what adopted an opharned child grayson, taught him etc. Clips of em in action, then any other interesting things. and then cut to present day where we see the aged bruce retired batman, show some sympathy for the character and then like how there is a talk of the town of some kid and u know where itll go from there.
thats my idea to top tdk, i dunno how they can do it since Joker is batmans ultimate nemesis, bring the next batman to where it all began, an alternative idea than the obvious taking it to the next villain
I heard that idea on DVDuesday on Attack of the Show. I have to admit I think that would be a shitty idea.