where can they go from here??

Originally posted by Jamaican
This is what should happen in my opinion, and I'll start with the first 2 films...

Scarecrow: wasn't that big a bad guy IMO and I don't see him being able to cause Batman much more pain/agony anymore. I think it'd be more of an annoyance than anything.

Ra's: I don't think he's dead. We've seen people survive through much worse. Added to the fact that one of his goons could've taken him to one of the lazarus pits, it's very possible. And I've always held him up there in respect level to Joker (although as a different type of "villain"😉. Ra's is usually on a whole other level compared to most of his foes. He usually thinks globally, not just for Gotham. They should bring him back, eventually.

Two-Face: They had a memoriam for Dent, not Two Face. And as the same with Ra's, we've seen people survive a lot worse. As people here are saying, they saw him breathing. I saw the movie twice (which by the way, once was regular screen and the other was IMAX - no comparison). I believe he should be brought back and have him causing trouble for Gordon and Batman while killing off some of the mob that contributed to his losses/changes.

Joker: Amazing performance. As much as I'd hate for them to say "We're never going to bring back Joker", it may be the best thing to do. With that said though, I don't think it'd be that hard for them to bring him back. Make up shouldn't make it that difficult to make him look similar. The hard part will find someone who can do as close a job to Heath's portrayal.

I think in the next one we'll need a love interest for Bruce, and I think it should be either Selina or Talia. Either would suffice. I'd love to see Catwoman done...correctly. I think having Mr. Freeze would be a horrible move. I think Bane would be amazing to have, if done correctly. He's smart, strong as hell and it could be done very realistically. Poison Ivy to me would be too unrealistic. Penguin could be done, but it would have to be done correctly as well. I think the Riddler would be awesome, if he wasn't done as being too corny like Jim Carey's version.

I think the way to go would be to have Catwoman as a minor villain/love interest. Bane as a minor villain (the muscle villain, who could seriously hurt Batman/leave him for dead) and make The Riddler the brains of the operation / Major Villain.

**Batmobile Note** - I think that they should bring in a Batmobile like he has in the comics. Something sleek.

I live in Chicago and have ridden the "el" (short for elevated train) all my life. Maybe you can't tell from the way it was filmed, but Ra's couldn't have possibly survived such a fall in a speeding el train. There'd only be mangled and burned body parts, not enough to take to the Lazarus Pits. And if they did try such a gimmick, Chris Nolan would lose the credibility we've all given him for making the batman movies "realistic".

As for the Joker...The performance simply can't be topped. I can't see another portrayal being supported en masse. Hopefully they've got additional footage of Heath to use in the next one.

Originally posted by Darth Creasy
This is where they're going next:

As for the third flick, I think the dialogue at the end showed us who they're going to develop as Robin. "Why is he running? But he didn't do anything wrong". Only Gordon and the kid know the truth, which is the perfect lead-in for the kid to dedicate himself to copycatting Batman, which leads to Bats scolding then reluctantly training him.

They'll probably tell us Joker died in prison. But while alive he shared a cell with an Edward Nigma, who's psychotic enough in his own way that Joker sees him as an heir of sorts to his mayhem. But Harvey Dent's got other plans...

Catwoman shows up as a Chinese beauty (Lucy Lu) who comes to Gotham seeking revenge for Batman's capture of her father. Her sole purpose is to kill The Batman and regain her family's honor.

The League of Shadows returns! After refusing to lead the League of Shadows, Talia al Ghul seeks out the one man who can protect her, The Batman. Talia and Bruce grow close but the sting of loosing Rachel keeps them apart...

The movie ends with double fight scenes ala Revenge of The Sith. After developing feelings for Bruce, Talia confronts Catwoman on a Gotham rooftop while Batman and Robin fight The League below, with Robin returning the favor of saving Bruce's life. At the last moment Alfred & Luscious figure out the Riddler's riddle but it's too late! Our heroes are surrounded by the Riddler's gun-toting thugs and prepares to go down as only heroes do. Bruce expresses regret at training Robin when suddenly the miraculous happens:Harvey Dent flips a coin and sacrifices himself to save Gotham's true hero.

I know this is a lot, but the way Chris Nolan gave all of his characters the perfect amount of screen time, I believe he can make this a 3 hour epic to rival The Dark Night.

I could have a full script ready for $10 mil U.S., if anyone at Warner Bros. is reading.

Ok..... Bale (and I think Nolan) have both said that there will not be a Robin in this series. And I think they have good reason. This series is too dark for a Robin. The ONLY reason I'd want Robin in there is so that they can A) make a Nightwing spin-off B) Have Jason Todd killed by the Joker AND SHOW IT, C) (and this is the big picture) have a film about Hush.

Obviously they could be saying that so we dont expect it, but I think they are serious about it.

**Also, if someone at Warner Bros. is indeed reading this - I'll do it for five....with a cameo scene.

LOL

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
😆 what a joke.

😆 Good luck with trying to influence other's opinion because you're not creative enough to come up with even a possible scenario for a third movie. 😆 We both know your sad beef with me. You're a wannabe mod with nothing better to do than cry about what doesn't belong in this thread or that thread 🙁

I'd have you on ignore already but I enjoy bumping your gargabe threads too much 😆

Originally posted by Jamaican
Ok..... Bale (and I think Nolan) have both said that there will not be a Robin in this series. And I think they have good reason. This series is too dark for a Robin. The ONLY reason I'd want Robin in there is so that they can A) make a Nightwing spin-off B) Have Jason Todd killed by the Joker AND SHOW IT, C) (and this is the big picture) have a film about Hush.

Obviously they could be saying that so we dont expect it, but I think they are serious about it.

**Also, if someone at Warner Bros. is indeed reading this - I'll do it for five....with a cameo scene.

LOL

If they've already stated no Robin, then I've got a script to rewrite. Since it'll only be 2 hours now, I might knock the price down to $7 mil. Can't go as low as five for quality work 🙂

Originally posted by Darth Creasy
This is where they're going next:

As for the third flick, I think the dialogue at the end showed us who they're going to develop as Robin. "Why is he running? But he didn't do anything wrong". Only Gordon and the kid know the truth, which is the perfect lead-in for the kid to dedicate himself to copycatting Batman, which leads to Bats scolding then reluctantly training him.

They'll probably tell us Joker died in prison. But while alive he shared a cell with an Edward Nigma, who's psychotic enough in his own way that Joker sees him as an heir of sorts to his mayhem. But Harvey Dent's got other plans...

Catwoman shows up as a Chinese beauty (Lucy Lu) who comes to Gotham seeking revenge for Batman's capture of her father. Her sole purpose is to kill The Batman and regain her family's honor.

The League of Shadows returns! After refusing to lead the League of Shadows, Talia al Ghul seeks out the one man who can protect her, The Batman. Talia and Bruce grow close but the sting of loosing Rachel keeps them apart...

The movie ends with double fight scenes ala Revenge of The Sith. After developing feelings for Bruce, Talia confronts Catwoman on a Gotham rooftop while Batman and Robin fight The League below, with Robin returning the favor of saving Bruce's life. At the last moment Alfred & Luscious figure out the Riddler's riddle but it's too late! Our heroes are surrounded by the Riddler's gun-toting thugs and prepares to go down as only heroes do. Bruce expresses regret at training Robin when suddenly the miraculous happens:Harvey Dent flips a coin and sacrifices himself to save Gotham's true hero.

I know this is a lot, but the way Chris Nolan gave all of his characters the perfect amount of screen time, I believe he can make this a 3 hour epic to rival The Dark Night.

I could have a full script ready for $10 mil U.S., if anyone at Warner Bros. is reading.

how the hell would Robin fit into the serious tone of Nolan's Batman?? some people would be disgusted at the idea of bringing him into this conversation lol please rewrite your script, rewrite it at starbucks with a frapaccino, oh ya and cast Justin Chatwin as Robin, and since sexy is being brought back, you mite as well bring back the batnipples

and Lucy Lu as catwoman, Selina Kyle is not chinese nor is her name. I dont think its right to go changing characters and origins. Since i cant recall Nolan ever doing so. Maybe if joel schumacher was still directing that would happen, afterall stastics show that 80% of america loves lucy lu and leather right? 🙄

riddler just comes across as cheesy, i cant see christian bale wandering through a dark crime scene and coming across a riddle. Riddler has an obsession with bruce and batman, i personally dont think thats enough to top TDK's Joker and Two Face, its an intelligent man dishing out riddles on where he's going to attack next, scarecrow worked, borderline insane doctor experimenting with hallucinogenic drugs on inmates. Ras coming back, again, Lazarus pits are unreal since batman begins and TDK are mostly grounded in realism.

the only thing left in gotham is Two Face, is it that hard to believe that he's alive. Sal Malroni got dropped like 4 stories and survived. Two Face might still have something in him to want to rid the city of crime and he has suspicions etc, thus going for whoever is left in charge, and if Penguins in, he owns his own nightclub that is a cover for criminal activity.

any thoughts?

Originally posted by xNIXSONx
how the hell would Robin fit into the serious tone of Nolan's Batman??

You've got to think outside the box...

Weren't people disgusted at Joker's new look? But now everyone loves it, right?

I stand by my thought that Robin CAN be done right in Nolan's style, and when he's done right, he adds that trainer/mentor/father figure part to Bruce's character...

Though I'd go about it completely different from Darth Creasy...

Originally posted by Bat Dude
You've got to think outside the box...

Weren't people disgusted at Joker's new look? But now everyone loves it, right?

I stand by my thought that Robin CAN be done right in Nolan's style, and when he's done right, he adds that trainer/mentor/father figure part to Bruce's character...

Though I'd go about it completely different from Darth Creasy...

i can see it if Bruce was older though. To people like Harvey Dent, they see bruce wayne, the public image, the millionaire that got drunk and burnt his mansion down, after badmouthing his guests. Who endorsed Dent and seemed sarcastic at the party. To the public this guy is going to get custody of young orphaned Dick Grayson?

yes once bruce sees the similarities between him and the kid, there will be seriousness, but is bruce/batman ready? with the look and atmosphere of TDK, can you honestly say Robin can be done? and done properly.

Originally posted by xNIXSONx
i can see it if Bruce was older though. To people like Harvey Dent, they see bruce wayne, the public image, the millionaire that got drunk and burnt his mansion down, after badmouthing his guests. Who endorsed Dent and seemed sarcastic at the party. To the public this guy is going to get custody of young orphaned Dick Grayson?

yes once bruce sees the similarities between him and the kid, there will be seriousness, but is bruce/batman ready? with the look and atmosphere of TDK, can you honestly say Robin can be done? and done properly.

Robin can be done, but WILL HE BE DONE. I could see Dick Grayson in Nolanverse after the third or fourth film.

So they're going to write off a brilliant character like the Joker, the keystone villain in the entire world of Batman, as having died in prison? That's just silly. Nothing has to be explained about what happened to him or what he's doing because he's not in the next movie. He doesn't appear in every issue of the comic book and no explaination is offered for his absence. It really sucks that Heath Ledger died, but that doesn't have to effect the character. And if he is essential, then there are other actors in the world. And since Ledger defined the role as he did, another actor would have a basis for how to play the character. Personally, I don't think he needs to be in the next film. If Ledger were still around to play him I'm sure the character would be involved in the next film, but that he isn't doesn't have to be addressed at all.

You're Endrict Nuul aren't you? You got owned and logged on under xNIXSONx to prove a point. But just in case I'm wrong:

Apparently Nolan's already stated there will be no Robin in this series. Didn't now that when I was toying around with script ideas. So if you like, take Robin outta the equation and I've still written a 2 1/2 hour masterpiece.

As far as how it could work:
Everyone except Gordon and his kid think Batman is a murderer. Eventually Bruce gives up on the Batman persona, tired of running. Gordon's kid is now 20, 21 and has never forgotten how Batman saved his life. He almost gets killed trying to be a vigilante himself. Bruce gets word of this and after failing to talk him out of it decides if the kid's gonna do it he may as well do it right, and trains him.

As far as Lucy Lu, my bad, I was actually thinking of Kelly Hu, who played Yuriko (Lady Deathstrike) in X-2. Nolan could have her arrive in the states with a fake passport, assumed name, whatever. He's changed plenty of minor details in the Batman mythos from his origin to his level of intelligence to where he gets his weapons etc, all to make the movies darker, more appealing to the masses and more realistic. So long as she's sexy, dressed in black leather and has some level of sexual tension with the Batman it'll work. I didn't think they could make Two-Face disfigured side work but they did. I thought the Joker couldn't have worked without his trademark Joker gas that contorts your face but they did.

I agree the Riddler we've known from the comics doesn't work on his own, that's why he's inspired by the Joker. A genius former professor who was arrested in the narrows during the chaos at the end of Batman Begins and falsely accused of various crimes would be pretty upset and after sharing a cell with the Joker he'd easily be deranged. He'd pull similar stunts but with Riddles involved. It may sound corny but let him blow up a bridge during rush hour because Batman failed to solve a riddle and the funny shit goes away real fast.

Penguin would never work, how is Nolan gonna realistically depict him?

Originally posted by Bat Dude
You've got to think outside the box...

Weren't people disgusted at Joker's new look? But now everyone loves it, right?

I stand by my thought that Robin CAN be done right in Nolan's style, and when he's done right, he adds that trainer/mentor/father figure part to Bruce's character...

Though I'd go about it completely different from Darth Creasy...

Fair enough...However he does it, I know Nolan CAN do it. You just can't have Robin any younger than 18, 19 and still keep the movie dark and brooding.

Originally posted by Devil King
I think Two-Face should be in the next movie. Maybe out for revenge against the mob and introduce Catwoman as a jewel thief. You could even toss in the Ridder as a third thread to the story. And then end it there. I believe Nolan said he wants to do a trilogy, so I think that would be a pretty good close to his story arc.

I also really like the idea of Gotham Knight. So maybe do another one to fill the gap between TDK and the next film and I'll consider my Batman DVD collection complete.

I am fairly certain that Two Face is dead.

Originally posted by Darth Creasy
You're Endrict Nuul aren't you? You got owned and logged on under xNIXSONx to prove a point. But just in case I'm wrong:

Apparently Nolan's already stated there will be no Robin in this series. Didn't now that when I was toying around with script ideas. So if you like, take Robin outta the equation and I've still written a 2 1/2 hour masterpiece.

As far as how it could work:
Everyone except Gordon and his kid think Batman is a murderer. Eventually Bruce gives up on the Batman persona, tired of running. Gordon's kid is now 20, 21 and has never forgotten how Batman saved his life. He almost gets killed trying to be a vigilante himself. Bruce gets word of this and after failing to talk him out of it decides if the kid's gonna do it he may as well do it right, and trains him.

As far as Lucy Lu, my bad, I was actually thinking of Kelly Hu, who played Yuriko (Lady Deathstrike) in X-2. Nolan could have her arrive in the states with a fake passport, assumed name, whatever. He's changed plenty of minor details in the Batman mythos from his origin to his level of intelligence to where he gets his weapons etc, all to make the movies darker, more appealing to the masses and more realistic. So long as she's sexy, dressed in black leather and has some level of sexual tension with the Batman it'll work. I didn't think they could make Two-Face disfigured side work but they did. I thought the Joker couldn't have worked without his trademark Joker gas that contorts your face but they did.

I agree the Riddler we've known from the comics doesn't work on his own, that's why he's inspired by the Joker. A genius former professor who was arrested in the narrows during the chaos at the end of Batman Begins and falsely accused of various crimes would be pretty upset and after sharing a cell with the Joker he'd easily be deranged. He'd pull similar stunts but with Riddles involved. It may sound corny but let him blow up a bridge during rush hour because Batman failed to solve a riddle and the funny shit goes away real fast.

Penguin would never work, how is Nolan gonna realistically depict him?

lol this idea of Gordon's kid has been talked about since Batman Begins, i think its silly. Are they gonna have Gordon's daughter as Batgirl? if its something it has to be Dick Grayson. You're idea of mentor, trainer, etc sounds like a Batman Beyond plot, the idea of an older batman, not quite as fast and strong as he used to, gives up.

kelly hu is better than lucy lu but they have not changed things that drastically in batman begins and tdk. Catwoman could be used for one person, love interest.

The Riddler ok, it sounds interesting if he is another sort of person derived from the Joker like two face. the batman animated series depicted him well, if i remember correctly, but im sure, even with him being insane and even more with sharing a cell with the Joker, do we want a Riddler with the appearance of his state of mind. The intelligent look, and intellectual in thought and speech. Otherwise if he was insane, itd be jim carey all over again

Penguin, basically dont take it literally. He has normal features just like everyone else, could be played by an actor like Bob Hoskins. Wants to rebuild his family name in Gotham, becoming a crime lord in gotham is a way he could make a ton of money and reputation not only with the public by his image and respectful nightclubs, but with the criminal underworld as well.

Just to remind some of you...this thread is to discuss the future of the franchise...not to engage in personal attacks. Keep the discussion on topic.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
You've got to think outside the box...

Weren't people disgusted at Joker's new look? But now everyone loves it, right?

I stand by my thought that Robin CAN be done right in Nolan's style, and when he's done right, he adds that trainer/mentor/father figure part to Bruce's character...

Though I'd go about it completely different from Darth Creasy...

Yeah Robin can be done right in Nolans style.You just got to get the horrible acting performance of Chris "way too old" O'donnel out of your mind and it can be done right.We probably wont see him till the fourth film though if its true Nolan only wants to do a trilogy.Have to wait till the fourth film when a new director comes on.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Yeah Robin can be done right in Nolans style.You just got to get the horrible acting performance of Chris "way too old" O'donnel out of your mind and it can be done right.We probably wont see him till the fourth film though if its true Nolan only wants to do a trilogy.Have to wait till the fourth film when a new director comes on.

If Nolan stays on, and there is a great chance he will, then I can see Robin in Batman 4 or Batman 5. I think its plausible to have Robin in Nolanverse, he just has to make it all work.

Originally posted by Jamaican
Scarecrow: wasn't that big a bad guy IMO and I don't see him being able to cause Batman much more pain/agony anymore. I think it'd be more of an annoyance than anything.

Ra's: I don't think he's dead. We've seen people survive through much worse. Added to the fact that one of his goons could've taken him to one of the lazarus pits, it's very possible. And I've always held him up there in respect level to Joker (although as a different type of "villain"😉. Ra's is usually on a whole other level compared to most of his foes. He usually thinks globally, not just for Gotham. They should bring him back, eventually.

Two-Face: They had a memoriam for Dent, not Two Face. And as the same with Ra's, we've seen people survive a lot worse. As people here are saying, they saw him breathing. I saw the movie twice (which by the way, once was regular screen and the other was IMAX - no comparison). I believe he should be brought back and have him causing trouble for Gordon and Batman while killing off some of the mob that contributed to his losses/changes.

Joker: Amazing performance. As much as I'd hate for them to say "We're never going to bring back Joker", it may be the best thing to do. With that said though, I don't think it'd be that hard for them to bring him back. Make up shouldn't make it that difficult to make him look similar. The hard part will find someone who can do as close a job to Heath's portrayal.

I think in the next one we'll need a love interest for Bruce, and I think it should be either Selina or Talia. Either would suffice. I'd love to see Catwoman done...correctly. I think having Mr. Freeze would be a horrible move. I think Bane would be amazing to have, if done correctly. He's smart, strong as hell and it could be done very realistically. Poison Ivy to me would be too unrealistic. Penguin could be done, but it would have to be done correctly as well. I think the Riddler would be awesome, if he wasn't done as being too corny like Jim Carey's version.

I think the way to go would be to have Catwoman as a minor villain/love interest. Bane as a minor villain (the muscle villain, who could seriously hurt Batman/leave him for dead) and make The Riddler the brains of the operation / Major Villain.

the scarecrow being an annoyance is the point.. having him in all three movies but never being a huge main villian could just emphasize a point.. see the scarecrow is the most similar villian to batman, for obvious reasons. i think having him as a constant feature in the series would just keep them all tied together fluidly.. because fear is what theyre all about.

having ras come back would just be waaaay to hard to explain logicaly..the movie would become fantasy. like real fantasy.. too weird.

i cant say for sure, ill have to see it again, but two face may still be alive..i really hope so.. aaron eckhart did aaammmazzzing! and they still hav so much more he could do as a character..

i agree absolutely 100% with you about the joker situation..

for the next movie what i am picturing is a sort of hush storyline.. they could alter it some so that both tommy elliot and the riddler are the masterminds behind the whole scheme, rather than hush being decieved and used by the riddler. then as part of their scheme they could bring in black mask, catwoman, bane, the penguin, sal maroni (if he survived that car accident!), scarecrow, and two face and the joker, depending on what nolan and co. decide to do with those latter two characters... they could just have all the villians with their own little part to play in the story.. sort of how the different mobsters were in the dark knight... itd be a good way to show how the "freaks" have finally taken hold of gotham and complete the saga of how batman came to be the hero fighting his crazy rogues gallery of villains.. an epic conclusion..

OOOO!! i just thought of this as i posted that last bit...

what if instead of having jason todd as the fake identity of hush, which haunts batman, they had it be harvey dent/two face...

Did anyone else get the feeling that the ending was sort of rushed, or missing something? I makes me think there was a missing scene with the Joker that leads into the next film, and it could be released as the Directors Cut on DVD.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I am fairly certain that Two Face is dead.

That is certainly what I walked out of the theater thinking, but I can see why people think he might not be. I know that seemed the point of the agreement between Batman and Gordon, but I can also see where others are coming from and I woud rather see him back than relegated only to the last half hour of this film.