Two Face!

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
not at all his story was wrapped up in the end.

A week or so after watching the movie I would have disagreed with what you have said above. But, after thinking about it, I agree with what you say and think a return for Two Face in a third Batman movie made by Nolan would be a very bad move.

In TDK at the end, when Batman tells Two Face to blame the three people responsible for Rachel's death, Two Face does so. The three being to blame = Batman, James Gordon and Harvey Dent. I always thought it was weird that Two Face "judged" Harvey second. Now some may say that this is Two Face's play on the number two (judging himself second). But what if the scarred side of the coin had come up and he killed himself? He wouldn't have been able to "judge" Gordon...

So for the other KMC members that have voiced their opinion and are in agreement that Two Face has done everything he set out to do and there is no reason for his return, I totally agree with you all [now]. Because Two Face has judged / sentenced everyone he connects with Rachel's murder in TDK. There is nothing else left for him to do.

The only way I personally feel that Nolan could have left the door open for a return by Two Face is if he judged Batman first (as he did), then Gordon second and as the coin lands, we see the scene pan out as it did in the movie. This would mean Two Face did not have a chance to judge Harvey Dent. And if Two Face was to return in a third instalment, it would be to damage the perfect "white knight" image of Harvey Dent by committing crimes / heists to show the people of Gotham what a bad person he has become after being scarred.

That seems like a pretty lame idea to me. So I would like to see another villain in the mix (cue the Riddler...)

I think that two face is alive. I see his chest breathing at the end of the movie. And yes, it would be totally stupid to give two face so short screen time and then kill him when he could be developed in a third movie. I beat that two face is still alive and he wil back.

Originally posted by bakerboy
I think that two face is alive. I see his chest breathing at the end of the movie. And yes, it would be totally stupid to give two face so short screen time and then kill him when he could be developed in a third movie. I beat that two face is still alive and he wil back.

Not, it would be stupid because only go with two face in the last part of a movie when you could put him as one of the main villains of the next sequel would be non sense at all. Two face is a so great villain to have him only in the last part of a movie and then kill him.

Where is the evidence that he is dead??? I really think that he is alive.

Are you trying to be an english teacher or something?? Sorry dude, but your english isnt that good.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Not, it would be stupid because only go with two face in the last part of a movie when you could put him as one of the main villains of the next sequel would be non sense at all. Two face is a so great villain to have him only in the last part of a movie and then kill him.

Where is the evidence that he is dead??? I really think that he is alive.

Are you trying to be an english teacher or something?? Sorry dude, but your english isnt that good.

One great villain only used in the last half of a movie knowing that he could be used and developed in a next sequel??? Not sense at all.

Gordon's eulogy wasnt that clear about two face's fate. He was talking about harvey dent, who died. But not two face, the new being.

You are that pedant??? I see it, dude. your english? Average, not that good.

Originally posted by bakerboy
I think that two face is alive. I see his chest breathing at the end of the movie. And yes, it would be totally stupid to give two face so short screen time and then kill him when he could be developed in a third movie. I beat that two face is still alive and he wil back.

Even if he is alive, his story is finished... All the loose ends were tied up in that movie... It wouldn't make sense to bring him back... He has no reason to come back...

However, a character like Black Mask or Reaper would be awesome... They should be villains in the next one...

I dont see why he couldnt returns. I mean, the third movie is a new and different movie with a new and a different story, so two face could be developed pretty well in a new story with a new villain joining his forces with him. New story, new motivations, etc.

Originally posted by bakerboy
I dont see why he couldnt returns. I mean, the third movie is a new and different movie with a new and a different story, so two face could be developed pretty well in a new story with a new villain joining his forces with him. New story, new motivations, etc.

Interesting idea

Originally posted by bakerboy
I dont see why he couldnt returns. I mean, the third movie is a new and different movie with a new and a different story, so two face could be developed pretty well in a new story with a new villain joining his forces with him. New story, new motivations, etc.

You do know that Nolan is making his movies all connected, right? It's one big story...

Giving Two-Face a new motivation just so he can be in the next one is something studio execs would do, and it doesn't make sense...

Burton's films were as you described, new movie = new story and new motivations, but you don't like those movies 🙄

Originally posted by Jovan
wouldn't it be logical for Gordon to not mind the death of Two-Face? I mean, the guy just threatened his entire family... I wouldn't mind, even if the guy used to be good.

And I think there is still more story left for Two Face to tell. Batman did take the blame for the killings but it's not like they can't use Two Face as a catalyst to the next story...hopefully more effectively than they used the scarecrow. I mean when I really think about it though, Nolan has kind of ****ed over all the secondary villains in his movies so far. Scarecrow totally got the shaft and if Two Face is dead, or basically non existent in the next movie then that totally blows IMO as a huge Two Face fan. At the very least I would want for Two Face in the third movie to totally screw up what Batman's plan was and reveal himself to be Harvey Dent thus causing the chaos that Gordon and Batman feared on top of Batman's current battle with whoever the next villain is

Originally posted by bakerboy
I dont see why he couldnt returns. I mean, the third movie is a new and different movie with a new and a different story, so two face could be developed pretty well in a new story with a new villain joining his forces with him. New story, new motivations, etc.

While it is not necessarily a speech praising somehow after their death, per se, the only reason for Gordon to read one out would be that Dent was dead. They hid that Two Face existed, blaming Batman. Therefore, they wouldn't publically eulogise Dent unless he was DEAD. The public wouldn't exactly just attend some ceremony for a former-DA turned psycho killer.
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I agree with Bauer... and one of the Nolan's (forgot who) said Two-Face died, but I guess it will be a minor battle with the execs (one claimed it is ambiguous). If Two-Face proves to be popular amongs the viewers, I think the execs will demand his return on grounds of "you faked a death in the movie, do it again".

Originally posted by Jovan
I agree with Bauer... and one of the Nolan's (forgot who) said Two-Face died, but I guess it will be a minor battle with the execs (one claimed it is ambiguous). If Two-Face proves to be popular amongs the viewers, I think the execs will demand his return on grounds of "you faked a death in the movie, do it again".

First, what burton did was to kill the main villains like joker and penguin, somewhat totally stupid. Nolan wont do it and he will bring back two face for a new sequel. Two face story and potential is so rich and great that he couldnt be wasted in this way and only used in 20 minutes of screen time. Im sure that he will be back with a new and great story.

Originally posted by bakerboy
First, what burton did was to kill the main villains like joker and penguin, somewhat totally stupid. Nolan wont do it and he will bring back two face for a new sequel. Two face story and potential is so rich and great that he couldnt be wasted in this way and only used in 20 minutes of screen time. Im sure that he will be back with a new and great story.

A) That's an appalling misuse of the word "somewhat". 🙄
B) You could equally argue that The Joker's potential is so huge that he deserves more screen time. After all, surely a couple of hours can't cover 60-something years of material?
C) I'm sure you're wrong. Absolutely positive. As you would say:
"Two Face isn't coming back. Fact."

Here is the nutty teacher again. Dot sucess, little boy.

But again, at least the joker was the main villain of the movie. Two face was only an adiction for the movie. He deserves to be in one movie for himself, with another villain.

And im sure that im right and that Nolan will use Two Face again. Only wait and see.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Here is the nutty teacher again. Dot sucess, little boy.

But again, at least the joker was the main villain of the movie. Two face was only an adiction for the movie. He deserves to be in one movie for himself, with another villain.

And im sure that im right and that Nolan will use Two Face again. Only wait and see.

Originally posted by Almighty Bauer
Two Face was an addiction, eh? Odd...
I'm sure I'm right. Nolan's not so cheap a director that he needs to bring back dead characters to make a good film...

agreed.

The thing is that you dont know if he is dead or not.