Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I would put Hawkman over Colossus in the speed department.
What make you come to this assumption and Im not referring to flight speed. I know that batman has overwhelmed him and batman isnt even close to having super human speed. I know that youre going to say that batman is a great martial artist but so is logan and he thought that he was fighting against a bolt of lightning when he was fighting colossus.
wolverine has superhuman reflexes, as does slade... colossus is fast, but he's not on slade's level...
So do you think that slade is faster then wolverine? And how far up the superhuman chain do you think that slade is? All 3 are super human but its kinda hard to tell which one is faster.
colossus has only been class 100 since his return from the dead... he has a fair few great feats, thats true, but he has a few low ones too, especially in the last few issues...
Naah, I think that colossus was rated class 100 before his death. For mutants, with age comes power and colossus during his teenage years was already class 90, during his adult years he was boosted up to 100 tons, theres no telling where he is at now and what happened these last few issues to make you think that he isnt above a 100 tonner. Maybe I need to visit his respect thread.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I might be off, but I don't remember Colossus having super human speed either. He's not slow because of his organic steel transformation and he may even be a bit quicker, but Hawkman's Thanagarian physique and Nth metal enhancements make him quite agile and fast.
When in organic form everything about colossus is boosted up to superhuman levels, except his strength and durability, theyre boosted a higher. This has been stated throughout his career. Hes faster then hawkman and has demonstrated on numerous of occasions as being able to keep up with wolverine and beast.
Originally posted by carver9
So do you think that slade is faster then wolverine? And how far up the superhuman chain do you think that slade is? All 3 are super human but its kinda hard to tell which one is faster.
i never said slade was faster than wolverine, but from what i've seen he's faster than colossus...
Naah, I think that colossus was rated class 100 before his death. For mutants, with age comes power and colossus during his teenage years was already class 90, during his adult years he was boosted up to 100 tons, theres no telling where he is at now and what happened these last few issues to make you think that he isnt above a 100 tonner. Maybe I need to visit his respect thread.
if he was, it was right before his death...
he has plenty of ambiguous feats, but as far as classifications go, at best he's MAYBE 120 ton, when you take consistency into account...
when i say class 100, i mean just above it, but not enough to make him class 150 or 200...
Originally posted by carver9I don't doubt that his agility is actually enhanced to a degree. But I'm very confident that Hawkman could also keep up with Wolverine and Beast.
When in organic form everything about colossus is boosted up to superhuman levels, except his strength and durability, theyre boosted a higher. This has been stated throughout his career. Hes faster then hawkman and has demonstrated on numerous of occasions as being able to keep up with wolverine and beast.
Originally posted by Raoul
i never said slade was faster than wolverine, but from what i've seen he's faster than colossus...if he was, it was right before his death...
he has plenty of ambiguous feats, but as far as classifications go, at bst he's MAYBE 120 ton, when you take consistency into account...
Well he did lift up a submarine and thats a lot over class 100. I understand that he did it under water but he carried it when he got out of water.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't doubt that his agility is actually enhanced to a degree. But I'm very confident that Hawkman could also keep up with Wolverine and Beast.
If you can, can you please show me a speed feat of hawkman because I can give you a couple that I THINK he couldnt match from either beast or wolverine.
Im going to feel bad saying this (I know someone is going to get on me when I say this but here it goes) I think that wolverine a serious wolverine could take hawkman out in less then three panels. Thats just my take on it. I read a lot of jla and I just dont see much impressive from him. (Damn I scared to press the submit reply button).
Originally posted by carver9
If you can, can you please show me a speed feat of hawkman because I can give you a couple that I THINK he couldnt match from either beast or wolverine.Im going to feel bad saying this (I know someone is going to get on me when I say this but here it goes) I think that wolverine a serious wolverine could take hawkman out in less then three panels. Thats just my take on it. I read a lot of jla and I just dont see much impressive from him. (Damn I scared to press the submit reply button).
Originally posted by carver9I know it's not exactly ground agility. But he twists and manuevers in the air and dodges lasers all the time. That takes physical strength, reflexes and speed IMO. At least, that's how I always interpreted it. Could be wrong.
If you can, can you please show me a speed feat of hawkman because I can give you a couple that I THINK he couldnt match from either beast or wolverine.Im going to feel bad saying this (I know someone is going to get on me when I say this but here it goes) I think that wolverine a serious wolverine could take hawkman out in less then three panels. Thats just my take on it. I read a lot of jla and I just dont see much impressive from him. (Damn I scared to press the submit reply button).
Originally posted by fangirl101
I'd say a serious hawkman would throw a plane at wolverine. Or hit him with his claw and kill him outright. or knock him out with the nth metal.
Show me hawkman lifting up something the size of a plane instead of guiding one with his wings then maybe I'll believe you. You do know that hulk threw a 200 ton tree on wolverine and wolverine was just fine and cut through it. Hawkman is a close combatant fighter, again I might be wrong but wolverine would carve him up pretty nicely.
Originally posted by carver9
Show me hawkman lifting up something the size of a plane instead of guiding one with his wings then maybe I'll believe you. You do know that hulk threw a 200 ton tree on wolverine and wolverine was just fine and cut through it. Hawkman is a close combatant fighter, again I might be wrong but wolverine would carve him up pretty nicely.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I know it's not exactly ground agility. But he twists and manuevers in the air and dodges lasers all the time. That takes physical strength, reflexes and speed IMO. At least, that's how I always interpreted it. Could be wrong.
This is something that archangel does on a regular basis but angel fears wolverine and he has also been tagged easily by colossus. And he basically failed miserably when he tackled batman (can someone post the fight). Answer this for me, who do you think can manuever in the air the best, hawkman or storm because wolverine steped to the side from a rushing storm, used his blinding speed and ripped her cape off of her back before she even knew it.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Are you one of those wolverine Fans? cuz I don't see wolverine taking a hit from Hawkman's mace or claw.
Ok let me get it off of wolverine then since youre saying that Im a fan, I think that captain america could beat hawkman. I also think that spiderman would trash hawkman.
Are you telling me that Hawkman mace> punches from a angry hulk.
Originally posted by carver9
Ok let me get it off of wolverine then since youre saying that Im a fan, I think that captain america could beat hawkman. I also think that spiderman would trash hawkman.Are you telling me that Hawkman mace> punches from a angry hulk.
Superman+WW+Captain Marvel Punches>>>>>>>>>>>>>Angry Hulk.
Mace Did more than Those three. Case closed. nth metal is no joke.
Originally posted by carver9Pure manueverability?Hawkman. No question. Storm relies on controlling wind gusts to fly. And she can do it easily with a thought. But she still relies on winds pushing her around in the air essentially. Hawkman can control exactly where he flies. He doesn't flap his wings to fly, he only uses them to improve his manueverability.
This is something that archangel does on a regular basis but angel fears wolverine and he has also been tagged easily by colossus. And he basically failed miserably when he tackled batman (can someone post the fight). Answer this for me, who do you think can manuever in the air the best, hawkman or storm because wolverine steped to the side from a rushing storm, used his blinding speed and ripped her cape off of her back before she even knew it.
That doesn't necessarily mean that Wolverine jumping on Storm is easier than jumping on Hawkman. Because if Storm's gail winds are gusting about, then that'd make it more difficult for Wolvie to jump on her. But I don't know the instance you're speaking of to make a judgment.