Originally posted by Boy Blue
I've never seen SS go for bubbles in the brain before. Have you?And I've also rarely, if ever seen him make a full bubble shield, rather than simply a partial bubble... which means taking the time to deflect Cyke's beam would result in Logan clawing into his back.
And Logan Clawing the back of someone with things Durability, and reed's durability, with johnny's heat, and the skrulls own abbility to heal themselves with shape shifting does what exactly?
Originally posted by fangirl101Logan's clawed through Thing before, and you're trying to assume that Skrull is going to use Thing's, Johnny's, Sue's, Reed's and his own skrull powers at the same time... which he has never, as far as I know, done before. You're lucky to catch three at one time, and those three would have to be covering his entire body for that example to work.
And Logan Clawing the back of someone with things Durability, and reed's durability, with johnny's heat, and the skrulls own abbility to heal themselves with shape shifting does what exactly?
Plus, I've already addressed Reed's durability, which I have yet to see a reply to, and if nothing else, it would be ample detraction for Skrull to then get bashed in by Cyclops or Colossus.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
Logan's clawed through Thing before, and you're trying to assume that Skrull is going to use Thing's, Johnny's, Sue's, Reed's and his own skrull powers at the same time... which he has never, as far as I know, done before. You're lucky to catch three at one time, and those three would have to be covering his entire body for that example to work.Plus, I've already addressed Reed's durability, which I have yet to see a reply to, and if nothing else, it would be ample detraction for Skrull to then get bashed in by Cyclops or Colossus.
How does Colossus or Cyclops bash a guy who hangs with the likes of Ronin and Terrax? What the hell? Super Skrull can incinerate the entire crew while being invis and they would never know what hit them.
Originally posted by fangirl101You don't think that Scott and Piotr can do damage to SS? Lolz?
How does Colossus or Cyclops bash a guy who hangs with the likes of Ronin and Terrax? What the hell? Super Skrull can incinerate the entire crew while being invis and they would never know what hit them.
Logan and Beast have super senses to tell where an invisible SS is, and the others can tell by seeing where the big fire blasts are coming from. I don't see Piotr being incinerated by SS, Nightcrawler's more than agile and skilled enough to dodge, and Scott can just pull off a wide range beam faster.
Plus, when was the last time that SS used his invisibility in a big brawl? The guy is practically a brick when it comes to big name fights.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
He has to continuously shift his form, even if he's visually staying in place. It's why he can be KTFO'd by an attack he doesn't see coming.I see his anti-matter blast being similar to Jubilee's telepathic immunity/resistance... a cool power given to them in their conception, and then unofficially retconned out of their powerset when later writers wanted to stick to the core powers, and not deviate.
But seeing as I still believe that Scott's gonna tag him from the get go and that Kurt/Logan/Piotr can make up the distance when he's knocked back, and splitting SS's attention between brawl and range, that he won't have time to explore esoteric abilities.
He'll resort to his main fighting method, which loses to a well coordinated team like this.
Originally posted by Boy BlueHe made a full bubble shield in Annihilation when he wrapped one around the ship in his mini. In the same issue he also showed amazing control over his bubbles by using it as a second hand to pluck the scientist out of ship.
I've never seen SS go for bubbles in the brain before. Have you?And I've also rarely, if ever seen him make a full bubble shield, rather than simply a partial bubble... which means taking the time to deflect Cyke's beam would result in Logan clawing into his back.
But SS is way to versatile, cutthroat, and sneaky to lose to this team.
His shields alone would take anything this team could dish out. While in theory he could one shot quite a few of these people.
Or Supernova for the win.
Originally posted by darthgooberHe's shown hypnotism recently, but not as a tactic he can easily pull off in the heat of battle.
Well assuming that everything you're saying is correct, I still can't see the X-Men taking him. Let's say that SS forgets about his Anti-Matter blast and Super Hypnotism, he's still got pretty much every advantage in this fight. The only three that can really do any damage are Cyclops, Wolverine, and Colossus and they're all grounded characters. Wolverine's the only one that keep track of SS if he goes invisible(I don't think Beast's senses are quite acute enough, but I might be wrong) and only he and Colossus really stand a chance of surviving a blast from Torches powers(everyone else would die even at sub-nova intensity).
Scott can tag him if he goes invisible simply with a wider range blast, and Kurt damage any piece of him not covered by rock or flame. As can Beast. Again, even if the two of them only prove to be distractions, that's still a huge advantage to the X-Men.
The X-Men are on of the most coordinated teams in comics, and these guys are all X-vets. Using numbers and advantages, they can and would constantly keep SS at a disadvantage and having his attention split.
And if Wolverine gets a chance to really sink his claws in, or if Colossus gets some solid hits in, that'll do major damage to SS, whose healing factor is nothing worth writing home about.
Besides, he normally just covers one fist with Thing's powers, and either of the two that I mentioned wouldn't have trouble with standard Torch flame.
And Scott's proven that if he's not taken out right away, and if it's not a solo match, with his aim and power output he could knock SS out himself.
SS is gonna be so preoccupied, he wouldn't have time or ample space for invisibility to to build up a nova blast.
Originally posted by NewjakHe made a full bubble to contain the ship from leaving... but when has he used a full bubble to protect himself like Sue... always does?
He made a full bubble shield in Annihilation when he wrapped one around the ship in his mini. In the same issue he also showed amazing control over his bubbles by using it as a second hand to pluck the scientist out of ship.But SS is way to versatile, cutthroat, and sneaky to lose to this team.
His shields alone would take anything this team could dish out. While in theory he could one shot quite a few of these people.
Or Supernova for the win.
The X-team is way too coordinated, experienced and too far of a numbers advantage to lose to SS...
In theory he could one shot quite a few of them. But all at once, he'll be too distracted to put any of them down for the count.
Where as they won't be...
Originally posted by Juk3nSS doesn't rely on viable tactics... like I said, he prefers to get up close and personal in battles, or at least certainly not fight from a range.
After Cyke is melted from above (assuming he's the forst target because he's the only one with some good range)How are they even touching him from the ground?
Its Skrulls most viable tactic, to stay out of THERE range 30 ft above. or higher.
Even in flight though, he can be tagged by any combinations of Colossus, Wolverine and Nightcrawler.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
SS doesn't rely on viable tactics... like I said, he prefers to get up close and personal in battles, or at least certainly not fight from a range.Even in flight though, he can be tagged by any combinations of Colossus, Wolverine and Nightcrawler.
mmhmm, i can see your point, quite hard to see all your opponents from an above position, especially an 8 ft tall steel man throwing a 5 foot ball of fur with 6, foot long claws..i can see how he'd miss that.
And as for viable tactic, aernt forum battles supposed to be fought at full use of abilitys..ie, if he can nuke from a distance because it's the best tactic..then he will?
just askin.
Originally posted by Juk3nIt still takes character personalities into account. We don't debate power sets, we debate characters.
And as for viable tactic, aernt forum battles supposed to be fought at full use of abilitys..ie, if he can nuke from a distance because it's the best tactic..then he will?
Originally posted by Boy Blue
He's shown hypnotism recently, but not as a tactic he can easily pull off in the heat of battle.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
Scott can tag him if he goes invisible simply with a wider range blast, and Kurt damage any piece of him not covered by rock or flame. As can Beast. Again, even if the two of them only prove to be distractions, that's still a huge advantage to the X-Men.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
The X-Men are on of the most coordinated teams in comics, and these guys are all X-vets. Using numbers and advantages, they can and would constantly keep SS at a disadvantage and having his attention split.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
And if Wolverine gets a chance to really sink his claws in, or if Colossus gets some solid hits in, that'll do major damage to SS, whose healing factor is nothing worth writing home about.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
Besides, he normally just covers one fist with Thing's powers, and either of the two that I mentioned wouldn't have trouble with standard Torch flame.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
And Scott's proven that if he's not taken out right away, and if it's not a solo match, with his aim and power output he could knock SS out himself.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
SS is gonna be so preoccupied, he wouldn't have time or ample space for invisibility to to build up a nova blast.
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...the team doesn't stand a chance 😬 .
Originally posted by darthgooberHe doesn't need to shoot at random when he has two characters that can point out location to him... even if it's just a general vicinity, he can still simply aim a wide angle blast...
Scott's not going to start shooting a wide angle blast at an invisible character at random, it's way out of character for him risk that kind of collateral damage and injury to his team mates. And Beast and Kurt can only damage what they can reach and as you already pointed out neither are going to be able to do anything if he's covered in rock or flame.
Originally posted by darthgooberWho is he gonna tag with a single blast of flame? The only character who doesn't have superhuman agility is Cyclops, and he'll be back a ways and knows the environment. Skrull's gonna have to deal with all other four combatants while targetting Scott, and Kurt has faster than bullet feats of teleportation... if he sees Skrull aiming for Scott somehow despite having Wolverine sinking his claws in and Colossus landing punches, I don't see why he wouldn't just teleport his teammate out of the way.
They're only going to be able to keep his attention split for a moment because SS's not going to be messing around here. A single blast of Torches powers will fry anyone but Colossus(though Wolverine would regenerate) and IW's force fields can keep any of them but Nightcrawler contained for as long as it necessary.
Or Scott can just blast him before he lets off a blast of flame.
IW's forcefields aren't containing a full blast from Scott, especially when SS is distracted.
And not containing Nightcrawler means not containing any of them... teleportation and whatnot.
Originally posted by darthgooberConsidering that SS likes to take things in to close combat, I doubt that.
Wolverine and Colossus would be as hard pressed to get in close as anyone else.
Originally posted by darthgooberWhich he wouldn't.
But those are the ONLY two and they don't have a chance against SS if he deep fries their team mates.
Scans of SS ever going nova?
And with 5-1, he wouldn't be frying anybody.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I've seen SS take blast from Surfer before, what has Scott shown that indicates he could take out SS alone?
He's ripped into Hulk and Onslaught with his blasts.
Originally posted by darthgooberLol.
He doesn't need nova heat, he just has to use his brain. If he fought like a moron the way he did back in the old FF comics then yeah they might pull a couple of wins, but if he uses his brain and fights using his powers in conjunction like this...
...the team doesn't stand a chance 😬 .
He barely uses his powers in conjunction in any of those scans, and I find it ironic how you used a statement about how he would be if he didn't fight like a retard, only to show him going up against a bunch of opponents who are fighting like retards.
All of his latest appearances (which are many, considering Annihilation) have him as a bloodthirsty brawler that doesn't go invisible or use full bubble shields. And in each of your scans, he needed moments of pause to switch between powers... pauses that he won't have here, because these characters, unlike those incarnations of Thor and Surfer, do not like to pretend that they have Down's.
as far as scott with collateral damage goes...
the x-men know well enough that if scott even tells them to move, he's lining something up... the only thing that would stop him firing is if skrull had a hostage...
scott is also capable of firing non lethal wide blasts, he's done so before... and with his visor off he can tailor his blasts to be as wide or as powerful as he likes...
Originally posted by Boy Blue
He doesn't need to shoot at random when he has two characters that can point out location to him... even if it's just a general vicinity, he can still simply aim a wide angle blast...
Originally posted by Boy Blue
Who is he gonna tag with a single blast of flame? The only character who doesn't have superhuman agility is Cyclops, and he'll be back a ways and knows the environment. Skrull's gonna have to deal with all other four combatants while targetting Scott, and Kurt has faster than bullet feats of teleportation... if he sees Skrull aiming for Scott somehow despite having Wolverine sinking his claws in and Colossus landing punches, I don't see why he wouldn't just teleport his teammate out of the way.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
Or Scott can just blast him before he lets off a blast of flame.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
IW's forcefields aren't containing a full blast from Scott, especially when SS is distracted.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
And not containing Nightcrawler means not containing any of them... teleportation and whatnot.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
Considering that SS likes to take things in to close combat, I doubt that.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
Which he wouldn't.Scans of SS ever going nova?
And with 5-1, he wouldn't be frying anybody.
Why would he have to go Nova to melt the skin off of Nightcrawler, Beast, Cyclops, or Wolverine's skin?
But so you're not left wondering, here's SS using a Nova intensity blast...
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Originally posted by Boy Blue
He's accurate enough to peg non-Thing areas of SS, but would damage whatever he hit regardless.He's ripped into Hulk and Onslaught with his blasts.
Really cause Surfer gets in several shots on what appear to be "non Thing area's" but SS handles them just fine...
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Originally posted by Boy Blue
Lol.He barely uses his powers in conjunction in any of those scans, and I find it ironic how you used a statement about how he would be if he didn't fight like a retard, only to show him going up against a bunch of opponents who are fighting like retards.
Fight#1
(SS simultaneously uses the powers of Reed, Thing, and Torch)
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(SS simultaneously uses the powers of Thing and Torch, then Reed and IW, and then Torch and Reed again)
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(Using Thing, Reed, and Torch's powers simultaneously AGAIN)
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Fight #2
(Using the powers of IW and Thing)
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Fight #3
(Using the powers of IW and Thing)
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(Using the powers of Reed and Torch)
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Nearly any set of combined abilities would allow SS to take down any two of the opposing team without much trouble.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
All of his latest appearances (which are many, considering Annihilation) have him as a bloodthirsty brawler that doesn't go invisible or use full bubble shields. And in each of your scans, he needed moments of pause to switch between powers... pauses that he won't have here, because these characters, unlike those incarnations of Thor and Surfer, do not like to pretend that they have Down's.
(Using Thing, Torch, Reed, and IW's powers ALL AT ONCE)
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(Using Thing, Torch, and Reed's powers simultaneously, and utilizing a rather innovative use of Reed's powers)
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(Reed and Thing again)
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(Thing, Reed, and IW)
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(and a basic conclusion)
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And another fight...
(Torch and IW)
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(Thing, Reed, IW)
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(Thing and Reed)
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(Thing, Reed, and Torch)
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