Originally posted by Ambient
SSkrull 8/10.. The rest the mutants due to Nightcrawler porting SSkrull limbs or bfr..
Also, given NC's teleportation range I doubt he could successfully BFR SS. If the guy can fly at supersonic speeds I think he could deal with any distance NC teleported him.
Originally posted by Ambient
He ported half a wall before.. He should be able to port organic as in a person..Im talkin about dimentional bfr, Nightcrawler when porting i beleived passed between N-garaii (spelling) dimension and he manage to port the x-men there fore..
Ah ok, I can see that.
I'll respond to Goob's posts, but not tonight. I just got back from TDK and am all jittery.
It was soooo good.
Originally posted by llagrok
I like how Smurph makes a thread where EVERYBODY thinks it's obvious who wins, yet commences to not only insult one part, but ignore feats as well.
Excuse me?
If you think I'm wrong, say so, but don't make accusations just for the sake of being an ass.
Originally posted by darthgooberIf he's in the air, Cyclops releases one huge blast that covers his entire field of vision.
The default distance is .5 kilometers away... how are Wolverine and Beast going to pin point him from that distance to Cyke if SS goes airborn?
That was easy.
Originally posted by darthgoober
The gap between SS and the team has to be closed before anyone but Cyke or Nightcrawler can get in a hit. He'll have plenty of time to take out at least one or two of them before they engage him.
SS has nowhere near the sharpshooting feats he'd need to tag anybody but Cyclops, and even then it's iffy. And I view the scenario as Cyclops winning a quickdraw between them... assuming that SS even starts by flameblasting, and doesn't just jump into a brawl or fly into a brawl as is his MO.
Originally posted by darthgooberIn a one on one match, that's a great option.
And SS could block it just like this...
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/4930/silversurfer198902509jx5.jpg
In a five on one match?
He blocks Scott's blast... and then he suddenly realizes Nightcrawler's 'ported Colossus above him and Wolverine's seconds away from stabbing into his back.
Originally posted by darthgooberHave Skrull's sheilds redirected a blast from a gamma bomb?
I thought you said that everybody's fight "in character"? Wasn't it specifically established that Cyclops ALWAYS holds back with his optic blast? And given that IW's force fields have redirected a blast from a gamma bomb...
And Cyclops always holds back, sure, but that's because his peak power output it unfathomable. Your scenario assumes that Super Skrull is gonna take out Nightcrawler, while simultaneously raising shields to block Pete's Cl. 100 punches, Scott's ability to simply look at the sky and unleash a huge blast, etc.
Originally posted by darthgooberNightcrawler teleports faster than people think and can execute a chain of teleports extremely fast... he can have the team out (not that SS would be able to contain them, and not that SS fights like that) before Skrull would know what happened.
Yeah he could teleport one of them out at a time, but then again doesn't too much teleportation tire him out? And wouldn't that leave ONE opponent outside of a forcefield for SS to nail with a blast from IW or Torch's powers?
Originally posted by darthgooberPIS =/= CIS... SS likes to get gritty in his battles, he's a bloodthirst SOB.
Sure he does, but he's also a trained officer of the Skrull army. He's not going to give up a strategic advantage and waltz into a scenario that's bad for him in a no PIS setting. I'm sure he'll take it to the heroes physically, but that doesn't mean that he's above softening them up first.
And the Skrull army kicked him out for being incompetent. haermm
I like Super Skrull. He was my fave Annihilation character, and far more interesting than I would have thought.
But he also fights like an idiot, considering his potential. He typically covers only one fist with Thing's durability, his shields are always partial and he's never used, that I know of, a nova blast omni-directional like Johnny does, or used Reed's durability to its top ability.
There's so much you could do with the character if he tried to use all of his powers in sync... but he doesn't, he doesn't fight like that.
So with his preference to not use any of his powers for defense to more than a fraction of their ability, a team of trained and experienced heroes like the X-Men have his number due to training, teamwork and numbers advantages.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Why would he have to go Nova to melt the skin off of Nightcrawler, Beast, Cyclops, or Wolverine's skin?But so you're not left wondering, here's SS using a Nova intensity blast...
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/1549/thor14212md7.jpg
When I said "Nova" I assumed omni-directional, like most of Johnny's... because he ain't tagging any of the X-Men with something like what was in that scan.
Originally posted by darthgooberLike I said, Surfer was ridiculously downplayed for that fight.
Really cause Surfer gets in several shots on what appear to be "non Thing area's" but SS handles them just fine...
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/8264/silversurfer198902508gh6.jpg
Originally posted by darthgooberYou're not being realistic.
HUH?! He doesn't use many in the Thor fights but he uses quite a few combo's in the Surfer fight and at least a couple in others. The Surfer fight was given as an example of how he can use his powers togther, the Thor scans were to show how effective those powers can be when he uses his brain(even if he's using them one at a time).
When I said "powers in conjunction", I meant more than simply making your hand rocky and flaming.
I mean... if that's all that he's going to do in these fights, he really doesn't stand a chance.
At least in Annihilation, he was being creative like turning himself into a missile via Torch and IW's powers, or making razor sharp cords through Thing and Reed.
If all that he's going to do is shape his fists a little and stretch his arms, he'll be ridiculously wide open to attacks. I don't really see the version shown in your scans beating any two from Wolverine, Cyclops and Colossus.
He did a couple creative things in your scans, but simply making his fist rocky and on fire, and then stretching it to punch... means that the rest of his body is going to be pierced and smashed by four other mutants while he's trying, and failing to punch Wolverine.
And unless you wanna argue that Logan can't cut him, I don't see the match lasting long after that.
Originally posted by darthgooberThis is better, but he's still barely using powers to their potential.
Well if we look to newer appearances from Annihilation...(Using Thing, Torch, Reed, and IW's powers ALL AT ONCE)
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/9079/img005yx8.jpg
(Using Thing, Torch, and Reed's powers simultaneously, and utilizing a rather innovative use of Reed's powers)
http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/9656/img007fx0.jpg
(Reed and Thing again)
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/4554/img008me0.jpg
(Thing, Reed, and IW)
http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/3600/img009nv3.jpg
(and a basic conclusion)
http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/5421/img010cm1.jpgAnd another fight...
(Torch and IW)
http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/7655/img012xh4.jpg
(Thing, Reed, IW)
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/5509/img013zv6.jpg
(Thing and Reed)
http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/6592/img014wn6.jpg
(Thing, Reed, and Torch)
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/5391/img015lo2.jpg
Half the time or less he's using only two powers at once, and typically the powers don't reach much further than his fist.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
x-men could deffiently win. given ss cis and the x-men teamwork and ruthlessesness as of late they could deffiently put ss down
Given their ruthlessness and SS Cis? You mean his willingness to kill and ability to use the F4's power better than they can? Oh yeah, Kl'rt's CIS is a big factor in this fight. I mean, there is no way a callous Skrull who lead the NZ rebellion against Annihilus can match the x-men's ruthlessness. They've got fricking eye lasers, Wolverine's super long claws and oh, Colossus' fist.
Do you know how difficult it is to cut a regular Skrull? not to mention one that has Mr.Fantastic's abilities.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
if some one wants to sues the bubble in the brain arguement............night crawler can just teleport his head off
Yeah, there's the crazy murdering Nightcrawler and the religious and peaceful Super Skrull.
Originally posted by llagrok
Given their ruthlessness and SS Cis? You mean his willingness to kill and ability to use the F4's power better than they can? Oh yeah, Kl'rt's CIS is a big factor in this fight. I mean, there is no way a callous Skrull who lead the NZ rebellion against Annihilus can match the x-men's ruthlessness. They've got fricking eye lasers, Wolverine's super long claws and oh, Colossus' fist.Do you know how difficult it is to cut a regular Skrull? not to mention one that has Mr.Fantastic's abilities.
Yeah, there's the crazy murdering Nightcrawler and the religious and peaceful Super Skrull.
did you jsut say that ss uses his powers better then fantastic four uses theres? prove it. Becueases that bs.
the only time he even really used them to any great way was during annihiation and that one time arc not the norm.
........also do you honestly think wolverine has trouble cutting skrull..........becauses he does not.
also the x-men tactical prowesses and team work>>>>>>>>>ss ability to effectivly uses his powers
Originally posted by BattlehammerAnd even then, he was still usually only making one fist covered with Thing's skin, and the only time he made a full bubble shield was to stop a ship from moving.... never to protect himself.
the only time he even really used them to any great way was during annihiation and that one time arc not the norm.
He still never went Nova, hardly made anything more than a flame fist, and I only recall one mention, off panel about his invisibility.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
And even then, he was still usually only making one fist covered with Thing's skin, and the only time he made a full bubble shield was to stop a ship from moving.... never to protect himself.He still never went Nova, hardly made anything more than a flame fist, and I only recall one mention, off panel about his invisibility.
many of you are not takeing the enviroment into consideration
"They fight in the wreckage of the X-Mansion."
thus the SS flying above the ground aprox 30 m is not going to be an effective startegy. the X-mansion is more then just a big house... it has various sub-basements some of which are hybrids of Shai-rah and Earth technology.
this means that the wreckage will limit flying height and act as cover for some of the x-men. also remember that the X-men are on homefield advantage... how many times have they battled in the wreckage of the X-mansion now. the cover gives Nightcrawler the advantage of stealth.. i am sure wolverine has some decent stealth feats under his belt also.
SS losses mainly because he is a loner and thinks he can do everything himself. thats why he will alwlays be overcome by superior teamwork and tactics.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
If he's in the air, Cyclops releases one huge blast that covers his entire field of vision.That was easy.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
You never answered my question.SS has nowhere near the sharpshooting feats he'd need to tag anybody but Cyclops, and even then it's iffy. And I view the scenario as Cyclops winning a quickdraw between them... assuming that SS even starts by flameblasting, and doesn't just jump into a brawl or fly into a brawl as is his MO.
I didn’t answer the question because I wasn’t talking about focused blast. Why does he need to sharp shoot when he can use a large blast like this and fry them all at once...
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/4554/img008me0.jpg
Originally posted by Boy Blue
In a one on one match, that's a great option.In a five on one match?
He blocks Scott's blast... and then he suddenly realizes Nightcrawler's 'ported Colossus above him and Wolverine's seconds away from stabbing into his back.
You’re assuming that the X-Men are going to be moving first and Skrull’s just going to deal with everything as it happens but why would he?
Originally posted by Boy Blue
Have Skrull's sheilds redirected a blast from a gamma bomb?And Cyclops always holds back, sure, but that's because his peak power output it unfathomable. Your scenario assumes that Super Skrull is gonna take out Nightcrawler, while simultaneously raising shields to block Pete's Cl. 100 punches, Scott's ability to simply look at the sky and unleash a huge blast, etc.
Skrull’s shield are stronger than IW’s and always have been. I can understand his being barred from feats indicating the range of the FF’s powers because they train with them more so they’ve likely thought of uses that he hasn’t. But when it comes to the magnitude of their powers, anything the FF can do the SS can do because have the enhanced powers of the FF has been his staple from day one.
And your scenario assumes that SS’s going to stand there and let all this happen The guy has a speed advantage over everybody on the field so the X-Men are going to have to react to him, not vice versa.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
Nightcrawler teleports faster than people think and can execute a chain of teleports extremely fast... he can have the team out (not that SS would be able to contain them, and not that SS fights like that) before Skrull would know what happened.
Super Skrull isn’t a “normal” person though.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
PIS =/= CIS... SS likes to get gritty in his battles, he's a bloodthirst SOB.And the Skrull army kicked him out for being incompetent. haermm
I like Super Skrull. He was my fave Annihilation character, and far more interesting than I would have thought.
But he also fights like an idiot, considering his potential. He typically covers only one fist with Thing's durability, his shields are always partial and he's never used, that I know of, a nova blast omni-directional like Johnny does, or used Reed's durability to its top ability.
There's so much you could do with the character if he tried to use all of his powers in sync... but he doesn't, he doesn't fight like that.
So with his preference to not use any of his powers for defense to more than a fraction of their ability, a team of trained and experienced heroes like the X-Men have his number due to training, teamwork and numbers advantages.
No PIS is an instance of someone “forgetting” powers that they’ve already shown it to be “in character” for them to use such as Supes not using super speed in a fight.. CIS is limitations that a character imposes on themselves such as Warlock’s reluctance to use the Soul Suck technique. If it’s been established that things like invisibility are “in character” for SS to use via his actually using them they’re fair game. See the frequency of their use is determined by the story the writer wants to tell(and is thus Plot Induced) so if he‘s not using them it qualifies as PIS. You might make a case for the things that we’ve NEVER seen from him(like Torch’s omni directional blast or force bubbles in the brain) qualifying as CIS, but if he’s used it before it falls under the PIS category. That’s why we say that Supes blitzes 10/10 despite the fact that it’s rarely seen in comparison to Supes’s overall appearances.
Don’t blame me because I don’t agree with that particular policy as it leads to entirely too many 10/10 shutouts that we’d NEVER see in comics, but that’s the way things stand until the forum rules are revamped. Feel free to bump this then and see how my opinion changes.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
When I said "Nova" I assumed omni-directional, like most of Johnny's... because he ain't tagging any of the X-Men with something like what was in that scan.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
Like I said, Surfer was ridiculously downplayed for that fight.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
You're not being realistic.When I said "powers in conjunction", I meant more than simply making your hand rocky and flaming.
I mean... if that's all that he's going to do in these fights, he really doesn't stand a chance.
At least in Annihilation, he was being creative like turning himself into a missile via Torch and IW's powers, or making razor sharp cords through Thing and Reed.
If all that he's going to do is shape his fists a little and stretch his arms, he'll be ridiculously wide open to attacks. I don't really see the version shown in your scans beating any two from Wolverine, Cyclops and Colossus.
He did a couple creative things in your scans, but simply making his fist rocky and on fire, and then stretching it to punch... means that the rest of his body is going to be pierced and smashed by four other mutants while he's trying, and failing to punch Wolverine.
I’m not being realistic? SS takes shots from guys like Thor and Surfer and takes on entire battalions of alien warships and you think that Colossus or Cyclops are going to be able to put him down if he does anything other than just stand there and let them?
Skrull has superior speed and reflexes to everyone on the opposing team and will therefore be acting first in this fight. A single wide area blast will fry most of the team and any but Nightcrawler are easily contained via FF bubble(Scott or Peter could probably break out eventually, but it would take a bit) and all but Wolverine(and possibly Beast) are all but helpless against invisibility.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
And unless you wanna argue that Logan can't cut him, I don't see the match lasting long after that.
Reed’s powers have proven resistant to Wolverines claws a couple of times now.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
This is better, but he's still barely using powers to their potential.Half the time or less he's using only two powers at once, and typically the powers don't reach much further than his fist.
Why would he focus on using one power to the Max when the combination is more effective?
