Joker vs Joker

Originally posted by Da Joker
He was doing that to turn Harvey against everyone, I am so surprised you are the only person who didn't actually pick up on that. He had a bunch of little plans inside one big plan which was to turn Gotham's White Knight (Harvey Dent) into a murderer.

Did you even read my posts? Not once did I say the Joker didn't have a plan. I know he did, and I know that was his plan. All I said from the beginning was that this Joker's plan was a little too calculating from what we normally see. That's it.

Originally posted by Da Joker
I don't believe that one bit. If the Joker were real, this is how he would be. And you're only saying a comic villain wouldn't come up with such a plan because it's never been done. All we've seen from even major villains are these little plans. This Joker was very smart, and had every step planned out. I had been waiting for a villain of this calibur for a long time, and now that we got him, I'm glad we got a villain as manipulating, crazy, & as smart as Heath's Joker.

Show me once where I said "a comic villain wouldn't come up with such a plan". I've never said that. I've seen comic book villains come up with far more complicated plans than this. I only said that the plan seemed too calculating for the Joker. Am I saying the Joker isn't smart? No. I know he's very smart. However, his plan in the movie seemed more John Doe instead of Joker.

Originally posted by Air Legend
You made a thread and then posted in it saying Jack's Joker stands absolutely no chance. That's called making a spite thread. And now you're insulting me because I said you're throwing a wankfest (which you are, you're giving Jack no credit at all and you're literally drooling over Ledger "Heath is the man and one day I'll meet him, and chat it up about his Joker."😉

So yeah, reported.

***Crickets***

Originally posted by Air Legend
You made a thread and then posted in it saying Jack's Joker stands absolutely no chance. That's called making a spite thread. And now you're insulting me because I said you're throwing a wankfest (which you are, you're giving Jack no credit at all and you're literally drooling over Ledger "Heath is the man and one day I'll meet him, and chat it up about his Joker."😉

So yeah, reported.

For one, he doesn't stand any chance, because he's not a fighter, which many people have acknowledged. And jackass, when didn't I give Nicholson any credit? I said he was a great/awesome Joker many times over, but his wasn't in depth with the comic version. This isn't a spite thread, because I can have an opinion. Don't like it? Get out of the thread. Yep, it's that simple. 😉

If he's not a fighter and you know he's not a fighter, then why put him in a fist fight? What the **** is the point?

That's like me putting J Jonah Jameson in a boxing match with Daredevil and then getting mad when people tell me it's a spite thread. 😬

Originally posted by Boy Blue
Nein...

Comic Joker is a chess master that has taken part in major complex plans before, and formed them himself.

The movie truly captured his unique state of chaotic genius.

Haven't read any Batman stuff in years. I'm not doubting you, but what are some things that he's done that were complex?

Originally posted by Da Joker
Heath delved into the role more than Jack. Hell, I love Jack, grew up loving him, but most of the time now Jack is just being Jack. Heath really gave the role his all & as much as I love both Joker's, Jack's ain't touching Heath's performance wise or in a fight.

Originally posted by Da Joker
In a curbstomp, nonetheless. He took hits from Batman & kept laughing, while Jack's Joker wanted to avoid as much pain as possible.

Originally posted by Da Joker
And jackass

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
If he's not a fighter and you know he's not a fighter, then why put him in a fist fight? What the **** is the [b]point?

That's like me putting J Jonah Jameson in a boxing match with Daredevil and then getting mad when people tell me it's a spite thread. 😬 [/B]

Originally posted by nimbus006
That's bordering on fanboyism.

First off, let me say both performances were nothing less than spectacular. However, there's a fine line between a great acting performance, and what is ultimately a masterful piece of work that will be remembered for many years to come. What Heath did with that role is something that I can't even put into words. The entire time I was sitting in the movie theatre I just wanted to see more Joker. In fact, give me a two hour monologue of him just talking, it was that good. I was literally intrigued by a character who played an insane murdering psychopath, that takes a truly amazing talent. I think Gary Oldman said it best in describing Ledger's performance, " Heath was tuned it to a frequency that we do not have the ability to hear".

As for the fight, Heath's Joker stomps Jack's into a pulp. He's younger, stronger, far more skilled, and disturbingly ruthless.

By the way, let's not underestimate Heath's Joker's intelligence. For as much of an anarchist/anti-schemer as he claims to be, his plans are exceptionally brilliant.

Guys, I'm getting reports from this thread. Let's try to be civil and respect each other even if we disagree.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Agreed, Jameson would knock that pussy out.

Jameson's the man. He'd fire DD's ***** ass.

Hell yeah. DD wouldn't stand a ****ing chance. He'd probably piss his pants beforehand.

Another thing i figured...seriously Joker portrayals aside...Ledger Joker was IMPERVIOUS to pain! In fact, there were times I kept thinking of Undertaker or Mankind from the WWF...the joker was just that deranged when it came to pain that he was obviously enjoying, or at the very least blocking it.

Jack Joker...yeah I enjoyed his performance greatly but the dude hurt his hand punching batman's armor...let's recall how many punches Ledger Joker took from Bale Batman and his "kevlar depleted titanium" suit or whatever the hell it was.

Jack Joker was terrified of falling off the helicopter ladder from a sky scraper. Ledger Joker was tied up upside down hanging off the ledge of a sky scraper while simultaneously layin the psychological smackdown on the batman with all sorts of epiphanies and revelations and such that batman couldn't begin to comprehend until that point. that is gangsta.

We should also forget that Ledger Joker is not afraid to die. He held his stance while batman was racing toward him in the bat pod....batman blinked first, not Ledger Joker.

Basically, Ledger Joker is impervious to pain, or likes it, and is not afraid of death.

Jack Joker is most certainly not impervious to pain, and certainly does not want to die.

Those are huge advantages to Ledger Joker...if you don't think of pain and are not afraid to die, you have nothing to lose in a fight, which makes the most dangerous combination

Let's not forget Batman tossed him off the building & he was laughing at the fact he thought he was going to die. Physically, Ledger was a beast. Jack may get some hits in, but nothing that will actually effect Ledger.

Heath Ledger Joker takes it, he played it as The Joker is meant to be. Jack's Joker was good but nothing to Heaths. ps can't wait for The Watchmen to come out 😄

That's been on my mind all morning (Watchmen trailer). I don't know much about them but I'll be going to see it with my dad.

And yes, this Joker was much more intact with the comics & even more so, the animated series Joker who for the most part seemed to fight back against Batman & thrive on pain a little bit.

Originally posted by Da Joker
That's been on my mind all morning (Watchmen trailer). I don't know much about them but I'll be going to see it with my dad.

And yes, this Joker was much more intact with the comics & even more so, the animated series Joker who for the most part seemed to fight back against Batman & thrive on pain a little bit.

I suggest you read the comics...they're excellent.

I remember reading that Ledger watched some episodes featuring the animated Joker, as there were elements of the character he wanted to incorporate. The same thing for Nicholson's Joker, but I can't really see much aside from when they are both talking to the female (rachael, and who was keaton's woman again? i can't remember)

I may try to get some, if I can find a damn shop around here. Trust me when I say the trailer looked awesome. And some dumbass that kept talking during the movie during my second time seeing it thought that guy was the Silver Surfer.

Nicholson's Joker kind of helped inspire TAS Joker so he didn't really take cues from that Joker as he was created after the '89 movie. Also, Keaton's woman was Vicki Vale/Kim Bassinger.