Would TDK still have been successful without Joker?

If joker hadn't been in TDK, and it had just been two face...would TDK have done as well as it did, would it have flopped or would it have been like batman begins and done ok but not great?

no

So you think it woulda flopped?

I don't think it would have flopped, but Joker lent a lot to it... Ledger's performance is iconic, so that definitely helped, and the Ledger hype made huge deal, in my town, at least... Some people were like "Batman's kinda for kids, but I'm a HUGE fan of Heath Ledger..." And the girls at my school were like "I hate Batman, but Heath Ledger is SO cute..." So Ledger's presence really increased the ticket sales, imo...

But I think it would have done slightly better than Begins had Joker been for some reason absent (wouldn't have happened, though)...

It definitely would have been successful but not nearly as much as it has been, that's for sure.

Isn't it kinda bad that TDK got alot of success due to joker or should it be seen as a good thing?

Originally posted by steverules
So you think it woulda flopped?

Originally posted by steverules
Isn't it kinda bad that TDK got alot of success due to joker or should it be seen as a good thing?

its a good thing of course..

thats like saying the first one only did good cause batman was in it...

It definitely should be seen as a good thing that the Joker was instrumental in the enormous profit of The Dark Knight.

Why should it be seen as a bad thing?

No I think one of the reasons that Batman 1989 and the Dark Knight are the two most successful movies of the Batman franchises is because everyone wants to see Batman versus the Joker. That is the most epic battle in the comic book industry in my opinion and it seems that it always will be. I think no matter how many times the Batman series may go through reboots even in the future the biggest Batman movies will always be the ones where he has to deal with the Joker because I think the Joker is Batman's most popular villain, and a popular villain period in his own right. People love to see him.

Did that older movie do well? The one where he took on all his big villains and had...shark repellent

The Joker is the most popular villain in history so no, it wouldn't have been as successful.

Joker definitely played a big part of Batman doing so well, just like Heath Ledger's death played a small part in it.

So is batman 3 basically going to do the same as BB or do they need to re-cast joker in order for no.3 to be a success?

They need to leave Joker out of the movie in order for it to be a success.

Long answer yes with an 'if'.

Short answer no with a 'but'.

Even I'm confused about what you're talking about.

Sure it would have...Joker was the biggest part of the plot.

How can 3 be a success without joker...did batman returns do well without joker? I remember batman forever and batman and robin were terrible...BB was an ok film

Originally posted by steverules
How can 3 be a success without joker...did batman returns do well without joker? I remember batman forever and batman and robin were terrible...BB was an ok film

Yes, Batman Returns did well.