Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
I think Ledger was perfect for the role as it intended by Nolan however I can't say no one could have done it better even though I am hard pressed to imagine it happening
I can't think of anyone currently who could do it just like that either. A younger Brad Pitt, maybe, he did play a great psycho in 12 Monkeys and Kalifornia, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Originally posted by Robtard
I can't think of anyone currently who could do it just like that either. A younger Brad Pitt, maybe, he did play a great psycho in 12 Monkeys and Kalifornia, but I wouldn't bet on it.
young brad pitt psycho in 12 monkeys, he had a similar performance in Fight Club in my opinion. the same quirkiness
Originally posted by Robtard
I don't think you're an idiot, just suffering from 'TDK syndrome'.I remember when it was first announced that Ledger was cast as the Joker in the Batman Begins sequel, many a person said "he'll never be able to live up to Nicholson's role", because up to that point Nicholson had arguably done the best Joker and it was imaginable that Ledger, a young actor with little under his belt could match or top it. See my point?
Ledger did do a great Joker though and the fact that this was his last role would be a hard act to follow for any would be future Jokers.
I thought Nicholson's portrayal of the Joker before then was iconic, it was definitely one of the most memorable portrayals of a villain in a comic book movie for a long time whether people were thrilled with it as fans or not. And a lot of people didn't think it could be done better. But now we know that it can. I'm not gonna say no one can do a better version in the future either cuz there's no way to know that.
Originally posted by steverules
Isn't it kinda bad that TDK got alot of success due to joker or should it be seen as a good thing?
Why would that be bad?
Is it bad that some of the success of James Bond films is due to hot vehicles, hotter women, cool gadgets and exotic locations?
Is it bad that Harry Potter books get a lot of their cache from fantastic forays into the world of magic meshed in with a school-life that is beyond the norm?
Is it bad that X-men comics get additional velocity from Wolverine being a member of the X-men?
No person with sense would see TDK getting an extra level of success from the Joker as 'bad' (unless it is someone with an agenda). After all, the Joker is part and parcel of DC, is even more a part of the Batman mythos than Robin and Nightwing are, and is the main cerebral antagonist to the Batman protagonist.
The Joker obviously added to TDK, and Heath Ledger's performance obviously added a lot to the JOKER (imagine if Schumaker was directing instead of Nolan, and he had included someone like Jim Carey in the role ....)
Which goes to show something very important, the success of TDK was not BECAUSE of the Joker, or because of Heath Ledger.
What that character, and the actor (Heath), did is make something great become greater. However, TDK would still have been a great movie.
Why?
Because it was the script, the cast (not just one member), and the directing that was superb. A bad plot, even IF it INCLUDED the Joker (and Heath as the Joker), would have made the movie bomb.
A GREAT PLOT, even if it did not have the Joker (and Heath) would have led to a great movie.
Now, the Joker (and Heath as the character) obviously added a lot of oomph, but the reason the movie did well (and was a great movie) is because it had a great plot, overall cast, and directorship.
Give Schumaker (the guy who directed movies such as Batman and Robin) Heath Ledger (assuming he was alive), and have Schumaker make a film, and I can bet you cash-money it would have been HORRIBLE, with Batman wearing ice-skates and the Joker playing a banjo ....or something equally ridiculous!
Thus, a person like Schumaker, even with the Joker character and Heath Ledger as the Joker, would have made a really HORRID movie.
Which goes to show (whatever your agenda is), that it is the PLOT/SCRIPT, the CAST, and the DIRECTORSHIP that make or break a movie. Add a great BUDGET and MARKETING to the above, and the movie will do very very well.
Give Schumaker Heath Ledger in a Joker costume, and you will just end up with Heath Ledger, in a Joker costume, acting in a HORRIBLE movie.