hacking the xavier mansion has never been easy, not saying he can't do it, but the only 'this is how you take character x down' files in any detail on the x-men were the xavier protocols, and they don't exist anymore, iirc... unless there's another copy...
colossus wouldnt turn human, he's not the kind to believe someone who's trying to kill him...
even with the war machine suit, he's better off trying to divide them... if he tried to take them as a group, he'd go down hard imo...
Originally posted by Raoul
hacking the xavier mansion has never been easy, not saying he can't do it, but the only 'this is how you take character x down' files in any detail on the x-men were the xavier protocols, and they don't exist anymore, iirc... unless there's another copy...
Yes but you dont need to have this-is how-you-take down a Collosus file neccesarily you just need detailed information. Its like you could find out alot about somebody by knowing their medical history but medical files are not created
Im sure Tony Starks would have something.
Anyway its debateable wether he would be able to do it. Maybe, maybe not but he would most likely try.
Originally posted by Raoul
colossus wouldnt turn human, he's not the kind to believe someone who's trying to kill him...
He would do it if he thought turning human would save somebodies life. I think he turned human once because he thought if he collided with another Xmen they would die.
Originally posted by Raoul
even with the war machine suit, he's better off trying to divide them... if he tried to take them as a group, he'd go down hard imo...
He would try to split them thats very likely.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yes but you dont need to have this-is how-you-take down a Collosus file neccesarily you just need detailed information. Its like you could find out alot about somebody by knowing their medical history but medical files are not createdIm sure Tony Starks would have something.
Anyway its debateable wether he would be able to do it. Maybe, maybe not but he would most likely try.
there's very little actual data about colossus' powers that even we as readers would know... we're told its organic metal similar to osmium, but thats it...
He would do it if he thought turning human would save somebodies life. I think he turned human once because he thought if he collided with another Xmen they would die.
he'd just been flung at shadowcat by danger, and shadowcat wouldnt turn intangible, as she was working on cyclops to try and wake him up... unless he can replicate similar circumstances, i don't see it happening...
He would try to split them thats very likely.
for me thats his only real way of taking a majority...
Originally posted by Raoul
there's very little actual data about colossus' powers that even we as readers would know... we're told its organic metal similar to osmium, but thats it...
Ok but I still think Magnetism would work on his metal organic or not. I would not be even suprised if there was news footage of him fighting in public where which Stu could use to gauge his abilties.
To be quite honest I dont think you need that much information to gauage Collosus powers, they are not that complicated.
Originally posted by Raoul
he'd just been flung at shadowcat by danger, and shadowcat wouldnt turn intangible, as she was working on cyclops to try and wake him up... unless he can replicate similar circumstances, i don't see it happening...
Yes I know, it does not have to be those exact circumstance. If he captures one of them and threatens to kill them he could force Collosus to turn human.
Originally posted by Raoul
for me thats his only real way of taking a majority...
That very reasonable.
Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
And let me guess it's so easy to hack Tonys computers right?
1. Im not arguing that he can do it for certain but its a reasonable possibility. Hell some 'ordinary' actually managed to disable Iron Mans armour and almost destro Stark Tower.
2. Is that it? There are lots of other points that I have made that are perfectly reasonable, why are you picking and choosing points?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok but I still think Magnetism would work on his metal organic or not. I would not be even suprised if there was news footage of him fighting in public where which Stu could use to gauge his abilties.To be quite honest I dont think you need that much information to gauage Collosus powers, they are not that complicated.
magnetism is a given, its always been a constant. its just a question of actually setting up the requisite tech...
Yes I know, it does not have to be those exact circumstance. If he captures one of them and threatens to kill them he could force Collosus to turn human.
its cyclops and logan, though, either man has a few options, and peter would know this...
Originally posted by Raoul
magnetism is a given, its always been a constant. its just a question of actually setting up the requisite tech...
Thats true. We can't be a hundred percent certain that he can but he has an impressive range of tech and invention under his belt. He also gave Frank a gun that was capable of killing Rhino, so that another option that gun might work. Rhino maybe a jobber but he can take class 100 shots.
Originally posted by Raoul
its cyclops and logan, though, either man has a few options, and peter would know this...
I dunno man I think your giving them the benefit of the doubt. He may decide not to. What would a Koed Cyclops do with a gun to his head?
Originally posted by Raoul
if he's unconscious, peter might not be able to tell if he's alive or dead, so i don't see him taking that chance...
I don't understand how thats relevant.
Oh and on a sidenote. I checked the issue concerning The War Machine armour because there is an element of doubt and I dont want to be a hypocrite.
To cut along story short Stu had everything single part of the war machine armour except for the head Sunset Bain had it. Bains pulled a gun on him and forced him to tell her where the rest of the armour was and Stu told her.
It does not state that she took the rest of the amour but I know she had the head but im assuming she took it because shes not going to leave it lying around for Stu to hide it again...unless she thinks hes thats stupid.
Hours later Stu tells Punisher where she is and Punisher kills her. Stu asks if she had anything on her but Punsiher asks Stu something else instead, so we dont know for certain wether he got it back.
Im assuming he obtained the War Machine armour because:
1. He killed her, if she did take the rest of the armour shes not going to tell anybody else where it is.
2. Stu Clark is an expert at locating stuff and he wanted the armour bad. ( was able to locate and find storage for a shitload of SHIELD tech, not sure how long it was but at most it was weeks)
3. He stated that he knew her very well in fact knew she would be dining at a restaurant at a certain time and told Punisher to go there and kill her.
As far as I know this issue was not rasied again in the series (dont have any issues after that but I know the other issues are to do with Jigsaw) but im assuming that with his capabilities he would have found it by now.
Failing that Stu gave Frank a gun that put Rhino through a wall and even destoryed the hide that was on his chest. Rhinos hide is extremley durable. The gun was also capable of killing Rhino.
Originally posted by Raoul
cos its going to take a hell of alot to get peter to revert back to human form...
Yeah but I dont understand why he wouldn't if he knew that if he didn't Cyclops would get a bullet to the head.
Originally posted by Raoul
i'm not disputing the war machine thing, tbh...
Yeah I know I just dont want to give the impression that im dstorting facts. You may read the issue and see things are not as clear cut as I made it to be.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah but I dont understand why he wouldn't if he knew that if he didn't Cyclops would get a bullet to the head.
if cyclops is conscious, he'll be telling pete what to do, if he's unconscious, peter won't know if he's alive or dead, so probably wouldnt take that chance... just how i see it...
and he could use the old 'bounce the beam off colossus' trick...
also, peter's transformation is damn near instantaneous, if frank turns the gun on him, peter should be able to get back to metal quickly...
Yeah I know I just dont want to give the impression that im dstorting facts. You may read the issue and see things are not as clear cut as I made it to be.
its cool, to be honest i think those 3 x-men could take war machine anyways...
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So essentially this thread is "Can you give someone enough technology in 3 weeks to beat an unprepared Cyclops, Wolverine and Colossus."Fun.
No its not. Theres a reason why Stu Clark gives Punisher the tech to hunt down criminals instead of him doing it himself
Originally posted by Raoul
if cyclops is conscious, he'll be telling pete what to do, if he's unconscious, peter won't know if he's alive or dead, so probably wouldnt take that chance... just how i see it...and he could use the old 'bounce the beam off colossus' trick...
If hes Koed how is knowing wether Cyclops is alive or dead relevant? Punisher puts a gun to his head and orders Pete to turn, either Pete turns or Cyclops gets his brains on the floor.
Originally posted by Raoul
also, peter's transformation is damn near instantaneous, if frank turns the gun on him, peter should be able to get back to metal quickly...
Thats true but he turned in time against an ordinary guy, not somebody whos managed to shoot DD and Spiderman.
Originally posted by Raoul
its cool, to be honest i think those 3 x-men could take war machine anyways...
I think so to, but would Frank Castle just put on the War Machine armour and just try to blast them.....nope. He would try to pick them off.
Hes already used sonics to beat DD, he would use something similar for Wolverine, try to snipe Cyclops and he would have to come up with something special for Collosus.
To be quite honest with you I don't think he would use that unless hes desperate.