Eventually, we will all hate Obama too

Originally posted by KidRock
The point is people always whine about the "rich getting rich off the poor" yet nobody seems to realize the poor actually have jobs because of the rich, the door swings both ways.

by saying "the door swings both ways" you seem to be insinuating that the rich and the poor are equal partners in this deal.

at the very least, don't you think the minority elite who gain billions in personal income benefit more than those who receive the jobs, making it not so much the door swinging both ways, but more of a doggie door, or table scraps?

I just read his quote...I thought he was quoting himself from a long time ago.

Anyway, taxing big oil companies does not piss me off in the least.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I just read his quote...I thought he was quoting himself from a long time ago.

Anyway, taxing big oil companies does not piss me off in the least.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But the oil companies will just pass on the cost of the tax to us. 🙁

Exactly, it sounds all wonderful in fairytale land until the price of gas shoots up as a result of this.

If only people were compassionate enough to give to the poor on their own.

Part of the problem is the lassier faire approach since Bush got in office. There is no regulation or no ceiling for what they do. $12 billion record oil revenue from 2007 was no mistake.

Originally posted by Democracy Now!
Exxon Mobil Earns Record $11.7B in 2nd Quarter

In business news, Exxon Mobil has broken its own profit record by making $11.7 billion during the second quarter—the most profitable quarter for any business in history. This means Exxon Mobil made about $90,000 per minute. Despite the record, Exxon Mobil’s profit fell short of Wall Street estimates, and the company’s stock fell about two percent. Meanwhile, analysts say Exxon Mobil spent just one percent of its $41 billion in profits last year on alternative energy sources.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/8/1/headlines#7

Originally posted by lord xyz
If only people were compassionate enough to give to the poor on their own.

I don't have enough money to give to the poor. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't have enough money to give to the poor. 😉

You have enough money for a computer and an Internet connection though...

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
You have enough money for a computer and an Internet connection though...

Outdated comp he got for free and he steals the Wi-Fi.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
You have enough money for a computer and an Internet connection though...

Originally posted by Robtard
Outdated comp he got for free and he steals the Wi-Fi.

Robtard knows me too well. 😆

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Robtard knows me too well. 😆

Ach, somehow Im not surprised haha.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Ach, somehow Im not surprised haha.

I just need people to buy my CD. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But the oil companies will just pass on the cost of the tax to us. 🙁

If Americans continued their feverish efforts to avoid paying for gas then, no, it wouldn't. It would force companies like Exxon Mobile to listen to the ****ing shareholders. If no one's buying their refined petroleum products, how can they recoup their tax costs?

I'd gladly tolerate gas prices at $8 a gallon...just give me a fuel cell car or an electic car.

Yes, I can pay the few extra bucks a month for "green" energy. (wind power).

I'm just tired of gas.

Edit-For a fuel cell car and an air car, you don't need anything but a water supply or an air supply. They have vending machine sized machines that can make the hydrogen for your fuel cell. 😐

We just need the car companies to have a big enough incentive to make fuel cell cars.

I didn't think gas consumption was going down in lieu of high prices...

Originally posted by inimalist
I didn't think gas consumption was going down in lieu of high prices...

But hybrid car sales aren't getting weaker...which was my point.

I wonder what will happen with Tesla Motors once their $30,000 "sedan" type of car becomes available?

Originally posted by dadudemon
THis one is fecking hilarious!

Originally posted by dadudemon
If Americans continued their feverish efforts to avoid paying for gas then, no, it wouldn't. It would force companies like Exxon Mobile to listen to the ****ing shareholders. If no one's buying their refined petroleum products, how can they recoup their tax costs?

I'd gladly tolerate gas prices at $8 a gallon...just give me a fuel cell car or an electic car.

Yes, I can pay the few extra bucks a month for "green" energy. (wind power).

I'm just tired of gas.

Edit-For a fuel cell car and an air car, you don't need anything but a water supply or an air supply. They have vending machine sized machines that can make the hydrogen for your fuel cell. 😐

We just need the car companies to have a big enough incentive to make fuel cell cars.

I have a hybrid car, but $8 gas would brake me.

Originally posted by KidRock
Werent Democrats against the stimulus package?

The point is people always whine about the "rich getting rich off the poor" yet nobody seems to realize the poor actually have jobs because of the rich, the door swings both ways.

What do you whine about?

Not all democrats were against it. But, I would ask you what good it has done for our quickly tanking economy?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I have a hybrid car, but $8 gas would brake[*] me.

Don't you think a demand for another alternative would increase to rioting** levels with gas at $8 a gallon?

The demand is there, already. Getting around the corruption is the hard part. I know it sounds kookie but the big oil companies do not want alternative energy vehicles readily available. If the demand for gas decreases drastically, where does that leave their $12 billion quarterly profits? Products related to the petroleum industry would go down as well. Oil production would decrease to try to keep the prices up as much as possible. Our reliance on foreign oil would decrease drastically and, EGADS, increase our own domestic exports.

What America and the world needs is a paradigm shift on transportation energy sources. You know what's sad? We've already had the paradigm shift in many different climes of energy production...but we just continue to fail to massively execute the new thinking on energy.

So, to sum up, I think $8 a gallon would help very nicely to motivate us towards other energy sources. I don't think we'd be hearing shit like "yeah, we plan on having 3 out of 5 production models being hybrids by 2018" and the like. Yes, that wasn't a direct quote of anyone, but it is a mockery of the kind of shit we hear from the major car manufacturers. Why can't 3 out of 5 vehicles be fuel cell vehicles by 2018? It certainly is possible. It is MUCH cheaper to install a hydrogen energy-based infrastructure than it is to maintain and increase production and distribution requirements for petroleum based energies. FACT! 😠

Just thinking about that shit is pissing me off. 😠

Did you know that just one quarter of profits from Exxon Mobile is all it would take to bring the entire hydrogen infrastructure to the VAST majority of American cars! Yes, you read that right. In the long run, it would be much much much much cheaper to have a hydrogen fuel structure than it would to just meet the needs for petroleum energies. Broken record, I know...BUT IT PISSES ME OFF!

Don't you think Americans want that? Cleaner, more efficient, more useful, easier to maintain, and less costly energy source for just about every American car owner?

Can you imagine that your water bill becomes your new gasoline bill? Can you imagine having a vending machine sized hydrogen fuel production system that you can also purify your water with? (I saw a dude give a demo on a video where the same machine used to make the hydrogen fuel for the cars could also put out some highly purified water used in the electrolysis process.) Dude, you and I both know "big oil" does not want our own "gas" pump in our garage. Municipally owned water sources would earn more money for the respective municipalities. Hmm, more money in the hands of smaller governments and less money in the hands of big business.

I know at first my sentiments seemed short sighted and reactionary, but now you can see that it is the exact opposite. What I said could very well be the catalyst needed to start the energy shift.

*Freudian slip or was that a little hidden joke for those paying attention?

**Hyperbole

Originally posted by Devil King
What do you whine about?

Not all democrats were against it. But, I would ask you what good it has done for our quickly tanking economy?

Probably no good at all..so why is Obama supporting ANOTHER one? Or an even WORSE one that will bite us in the ass even more when the oil companies raise their prices.