Eventually, we will all hate Obama too

Originally posted by KidRock
Probably no good at all..so why is Obama supporting ANOTHER one? Or an even WORSE one that will bite us in the ass even more when the oil companies raise their prices.

There is no "probably" about it. I assume he's calling for one because he's running for office and he's seen what a government pay-off has done for the people who thought it up; i.e. Mr Bush and his cronies. Despite this president and this congress enjoying record low approval ratings, they seem to think that such policy is the only thing that has kept their numbers in the black. I guess if the government wasn't handing out 400 dollar checks to the voters then their numbers would be in the negative. In fact, Mr. Obama's support of the plan, as well as many congressional democrats can be looked at as little more than pandering. However, the difference in the two candidates' approach is that one will keep the people running to their mail boxes for their refund check, while the other is interested in cutting the cost of existing. Both candidates have said that they wouldn't raise taxes and both have been forced to admit that their policy requires more money. However, only one of them is interested in raising taxes to contuine the forceful raping of the middle class; the average guy. While the other will raise taxes and the little guy will get something back from it.

And don't expect the price of transportation to drop at all. It doesn't matter if we fuel our vehicles with gasoline or liquid sunshine, the price won't drop too much as long as we're used to the cost. A gallon of gas could cost 8 bucks but so could a gallon of sugar water. The price is set by the company, not the president. What matters is a president and congress that won't allow the fuel industry to bend us over that 100 dollar barrel of oil they're selling to us.

Originally posted by Devil King
There is no "probably" about it. I assume he's calling for one because he's running for office and he's seen what a government pay-off has done for the people who thought it up; i.e. Mr Bush and his cronies.

So you assume Obama is bringing it up because of why? Because he saw what the stimulus package did for Bush and how it made him look good..thats Obama's reasoning?

Originally posted by Devil King
However, the difference in the two candidates' approach is that one will keep the people running to their mail boxes for their refund check, while the other is interested in cutting the cost of existing.

What do you mean by this? I get what you mean by Bush's package is to keep people distracted and going to their mailbox..but what is Obama interested in cutting the cost of? Certainly not energy..

Originally posted by Devil King
Both candidates have said that they wouldn't raise taxes and both have been forced to admit that their policy requires more money. However, only one of them is interested in raising taxes to contuine the forceful raping of the middle class; the average guy. While the other will raise taxes and the little guy will get something back from it.

McCains tax cuts will equal out to a 2% decrease in family income tax while Obama's average cut will only come out to .3%. I don't understand how anyone could actually believe Obama will be cutting anything. Everyday on the news its "Obamas billion dollar spending plan, Obama plans billions of dollars to help save _____..never mind the billions national health care will cause us.

As for the little guy, I am not a fan of Socialism and redistribution of wealth.

Originally posted by Devil King

And don't expect the price of transportation to drop at all. It doesn't matter if we fuel our vehicles with gasoline or liquid sunshine, the price won't drop too much as long as we're used to the cost. A gallon of gas could cost 8 bucks but so could a gallon of sugar water. The price is set by the company, not the president. What matters is a president and congress that won't allow the fuel industry to bend us over that 100 dollar barrel of oil they're selling to us.

Supply and demand has plenty to do with the price of oil and gasoline in this country. It's too bad the Democrats decided to "go on vacation" instead of voting on the bill to accept off shore drilling and raise the supply (lowering the price). This isnt exactly surprising because like you said Congress is seeing one of its worst approval ratings ever now that everyone is noticing the Democrats really are doing NOTHING with all their new seats and aren't changing a thing.

In a dramatic protest aimed at urging Congress to vote to drill for more oil within the US, House Republicans are refusing to leave the House floor despite a vote to adjourn the chamber early Friday afternoon.

Politico reports:

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and the Democrats adjourned the House and turned off the light and killed the microphones, but Republicans are still on the floor talking gas prices.

Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) and other GOP leaders opposed the motion to adjourn the House, arguing that Pelosi's refusal to schedule a vote allowing offshore drilling is hurting the American economy. They have refused to leave the floor after the adjournment motion passed at 11:23 a.m. and are busy bashing Pelosi and her fellow Democrats for leaving town for the August recess.

At one point, the lights went off in the House and the microphones were turned off in the chamber, meaning Republicans were talking in the dark. But as Rep. John Shadegg (R-Ariz..) was speaking, the lights went back on, and the microphones have been turned on as well.

?Madame Speaker, Where art thou??? Rep. Ted Poe , R-Texas, shouted from the well of the House, according to CQ. ?This room is vacant of most members of Congress. Where, oh where, has Congress gone?? he yelled to about a dozen other Republicans, the tourists in the gallery, some House pages, and Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich of Ohio, the lone Democrat who witnessed the unusual proceeding.

Rep. John Culberson (R-TX) is providing updates on the protest via Twitter and video-streaming service QIK.

"This is a historic first - conservatives will not go quietly home and neglect our duty to vote to bring down energy prices," he writes.

Liberal activists are responding to the GOP protest with implications that Republican members are simply shilling for contributors in the oil companies.

"Good to see you're putting in overtime for the $300,000 you received from the oil & gas industry," said one response to Culberson.

House Republican Whip Roy Blunt sent out the following message to colleagues, according to Politico:

"Although, this Democrat Majority just Adjourned for the Democrat 5-Week Vacation, House Republicans are continuing to fight on the House Floor. Although the lights, mics and C-SPAN camera's have been turned off, House Republicans are on the Floor speaking to the tax payers in the gallery who, not surprisingly, agree with Republican Energy proposals.

All Republicans who are in town are encouraged to come to the House Floor."

And the President has nothing to do with an independent oil company, so why is Obama giving himself the right to steal their profits away?

The oil companies won't raise their prices, and if they do, shop somewhere else.

Originally posted by KidRock
Supply and demand has plenty to do with the price of oil and gasoline in this country. It's too bad the Democrats decided to "go on vacation" instead of voting on the bill to accept off shore drilling and raise the supply (lowering the price).

Fail.

Supply and demand are just a portion what influences how much you pay at the pump.

Other than that, I don't have any disagreements about the dems failing at what their friggin jobs where they were supposed to be fulfillng some of the primary reasons they were voted for.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Fail.

Supply and demand are just a portion what influences how much you pay at the pump.

Other than that, I don't have any disagreements about the dems failing at what their friggin jobs where they were supposed to be fulfillng some of the primary reasons they were voted for.

So how is that a 'Fail."? It is exactly what I said champ.

I never said supply and demand has EVERYTHING to do with it. Of course there are taxes as well.

Originally posted by lord xyz
The oil companies won't raise their prices, and if they do, shop somewhere else.

If the government starts stealing their profits away..yes they will raise their prices.

Many people wont hate him if he get gets elected,some will.one thing that's guaranteed is the nest president that gets in there will be worse than the previous one.that's always been the case dating back to the days since Lyndon Johnson that each president was worse than the previous one,more evil and corrupt than their predecessor.

The one exception is Carter and the only reason he got in is because they wanted to give americans hope again for the future because they were coming off the watergate scandal and everybody had lost trust and faith in their elected officials and the white house.So they got Carter in office cause they needed someone the world could believe in again.Carter at first was anti government but then he found out that the president doesnt run the country and is just a puppet in the whole scheme and he later became corrupt as well and changed to pro big government.so again,whoever gets in will be even worse,they always are.

Originally posted by KidRock
So how is that a 'Fail."? It is exactly what I said champ.

I never said supply and demand has EVERYTHING to do with it. Of course there are taxes as well.

If the government starts stealing their profits away..yes they will raise their prices.

I think what's more likely is that if the tax is too high, they'll protest.

Originally posted by KidRock
So how is that a 'Fail."? It is exactly what I said champ.

It isn't exactly what you said. Do you honestly think that the oil companies are going to increase oil out put by off shore drilling? Do you honestly think that they are going to churn out billions of more barrels so that you can pay $1 for a gallon again?

Exactly.

There's a nice median between "socialize all programs and down with big business" and "any type of socialism sucks and no restrictions on big business".

Of course, very few people are on each pole, but most people lean towards one side or the other.

Dude, off shore drilling won't do jack diddly squat except give some people warm fuzzies and make money for someone else.

Also, I didn't say fail because I think you failed horribly. I said fail because I was being lighthearted. You should know that by now. I guess I should have used a smilie.

Originally posted by KidRock
I never said supply and demand has EVERYTHING to do with it. Of course there are taxes as well.

My point wasn't all that different, indeed. But it was to show that supply and demand play a smaller role than you think. Your post acts like it is a big part of it but really, it is very small. The more I learn about it, the smaller its part seems to play. (ZOMG! run fer da hillz, conspiracy theory insinuation!!!! 😆 )

Originally posted by KidRock
If the government starts stealing their profits away..yes they will raise their prices.

Not necessarily. It is likely, though. It is in the oil companies best interest to prevent oil prices from rising too high because that will cause the shift to alternative energy sources even faster. It is inevitable that they will virtually perish, but being the greedy bastards that they are, they will draw it out as long as possible.

However, it's too damn late. 😉

I am sure that most of the people voting for Obama don't even know his policies well. All they know is that he is out to "Change" things with his magic wand. So... there is a strong possibility that they will be surprised once he is actually president, even IF he decides to follow his pre-election agenda

Originally posted by Blinky
I am sure that most of the people voting for Obama don't even know his policies well. All they know is that he is out to "Change" things with his magic wand. So... there is a strong possibility that they will be surprised once he is actually president, even IF he decides to follow his pre-election agenda

Dude, most people who vote for who they vote for don't know most of their candidates policies. What's even worse, those same "most people" know even less about the opposing candidates.fear

Originally posted by dadudemon
Dude, most people who vote for who they vote for don't know most of their candidates policies. What's even worse, those same "most people" know even less about the opposing candidates.fear

Good point, maybe I gave the average American too much credit when I said "... don't even know his policies well". They probably don't know many of his policies to begin with.

Or any of their policies.

If I were old enough to vote I'd vote Obama because

A) He's black. B) His speeches are intresting. C) Even if he becomes President he's not really going to do shit to help th Country much... but neither will Mccain. But A and B still apply.

Meh. I just don't really have much faith in our countries politics, or any countries politics for that matter,

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Originally posted by Blinky
I am sure that most of the people voting for Obama don't even know his policies well. All they know is that he is out to "Change" things with his magic wand. So... there is a strong possibility that they will be surprised once he is actually president, even IF he decides to follow his pre-election agenda

very good point.People will find out that just because what he SAYS he will do and what he WILL do when he gets in office are two different things.They got to remember he's just a puppet and doesnt run the country and will do whatever they ask of him.when you get that high up to where your a serious candidate for the presidency,you've been compromised and did some horrible and terrible things to get there.Thats the only way you get that high up to get elected,so yeah you can take that to the bank that he'll never follow his pre-election agenda.None of them ever do.

Please, go back and rot in the conspiracy forum.

I didn't think gas consumption was going down in lieu of high prices...

It is, people are driving less because of it. They're not going on pleasure rides, they're walking when they can, public transport is up etc. etc. etc.

The bad side of this, less gas being sold means less income (taxes) for road work projects (at least in the US), the US Highway trust fund is ****ed, there's predictions that it will run dry in late '09. Which besides the obvious **** in the ass for Americans, Congress has at times used it as a cookie-jar because it normally has a huge surplus of billions, now that's gone too.

Whomever wins the presidency in '08, they're going to have years of cleanup work because of the last eight. I bet the conservatives pass the buck onto Obama if he wins.

Originally posted by Robtard
It is, people are driving less because of it. They're not going on pleasure rides, they're walking when they can, public transport is up etc. etc. etc.

ha, cool, that can't be bad

Originally posted by Robtard
The bad side of this,

oh...

Originally posted by Robtard
less gas being sold means less income (taxes) for road work projects (at least in the US), the US Highway trust fund is ****ed, there's predictions that it will run dry in late '09. Which besides the obvious **** in the ass for Americans, Congress has at times used it as a cookie-jar because it normally has a huge surplus of billions, now that's gone too.

oh wonderful, our already inadequate roads are going to degenerate more...

I'm a little happy to live in a socialist country today...

Originally posted by Robtard
Whomever wins the presidency in '08, they're going to have years of cleanup work because of the last eight. I bet the conservatives pass the buck onto Obama if he wins.

God, I can't wait until its over though

Do you guys pay road tax in the U.S? As in do you buy a tax disk once a year?

A few days ago, I awoke one morning and thought, maybe Obama is a false hope kind of thing. That all his talk about change, was to attract all those non-voters to vote for him, and that he really has the same agenda as the rest, that if all this elite, conspiracy stuff is true, then Obama was placed there to once again lie to the public, and make them think that good things are happening, even though they aren't, like that whole Iraq and Vietnam thing, except now it's about healthcare and politics.

Thanks for that insight into your clearly brilliant mind.