Originally posted by jrodslam
How was it that he got onn the floor in the first place? Was it the dog or a thug? Also, that particular dog was on his arm for 4 seconds or so, but he was still down on the ground for longer than that.
The second time he was tackled by two dogs and Joker immediately pounced on him. Are you seriously going to penalize a guy for being knocked down by two big dogs? Michael Keaton was never knocked down? Come on.
Originally posted by jrodslam
89 Batman didnt need a new suit. As we can see in the video, his movement isnt impaired and hes also more durable.
Originally posted by Val-E-Doosh
The first time he wasn't knocked down.The second time he was tackled by two dogs and Joker immediately pounced on him. Are you seriously going to penalize a guy for being knocked down by two big dogs? Michael Keaton was never knocked down? Come on.
Batman 89 had been Batman for years at that point. Who's to say how many suits he went through?
Even with Keaton's Batman having been fighting crime longer, he didn't even show he had as much fighting skills as Bale's Batman. And dogs are really vicious, so I can see either being knocked down, but it's being used as a weak argument in a discussion where the people for Keaton's Batman can't find any facts supporting his win.
Originally posted by Val-E-Doosh
The first time he wasn't knocked down.The second time he was tackled by two dogs and Joker immediately pounced on him. Are you seriously going to penalize a guy for being knocked down by two big dogs? Michael Keaton was never knocked down? Come on.
Batman 89 had been Batman for years at that point. Who's to say how many suits he went through?
Tackled by 2 dogs? The second encounter, the dog leaped at him and he just tossed it to the side. Am i going to penalize a guy in a suit who asked for it to be made MORE durable who got knocked down by a dog? you better believe it. Hmm, was Keaton ever knocked down? I only time i remember was when the big guy in the belfry threw him. If im forgetting any instances, someone let me know.
We dont know how many suits 89 Batman went through so we cant really say now can we.
Originally posted by Da Joker
Even with Keaton's Batman having been fighting crime longer, he didn't even show he had as much fighting skills as Bale's Batman. And dogs are really vicious, so I can see either being knocked down, but it's being used as a weak argument in a discussion where the people for Keaton's Batman can't find any facts supporting his win.
Bales fighting skills? Where was this shown? Like i stated before, he didnt show to have any type of martial arts skills when guised as Batman. The only time he ever showed any amount of ma skill was in Begins when he was training. Dogs are vicious yes, but easier to take down than a brute. A Keaton fact that supports him winning is A. Being more durable. B. Actually showing ma skill as Batman. C. Having faster reflexes. D. Doing what it takes to get the win by almost any means. How does Bales Batman win?
Originally posted by Da Joker
Keaton isn't more durable than Bale. Bale was able to take being stabbed with a sword and he still went out minutes after and fought off Ra's pawns and Ra's himself. If that's not durable, then I don't want to know what is durable.
Bale struggled to get up after his motorcycle crashed. Keaton got out of the batwing even after it crashed and exploded. Bale cant take a bullet whereas Keaton took them at point blank range. Multiple times. Dogs were able to penetrate Bales costume while Keaton had guards to protect him from swords.
Originally posted by Da Joker
The bullets never penetrated Keaton's costume, just like they didn't penetrate Bale's costume either. Here's the difference:Keaton's Batman = Good fighter
Bale's Batman = Great fighterSee the difference?
Ahh actually, thats false. Bales costume got penetrated by the bullet in the end when he was running away.
Bales Batman was a great fighter? Hardly. His Bruce Wayne was better than Keatons, but while Batman, all he did was brawl.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Tackled by 2 dogs? The second encounter, the dog leaped at him and he just tossed it to the side. Am i going to penalize a guy in a suit who asked for it to be made MORE durable who got knocked down by a dog? you better believe it.
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Originally posted by jrodslam
Hmm, was Keaton ever knocked down? I only time i remember was when the big guy in the belfry threw him. If im forgetting any instances, someone let me know.
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Originally posted by jrodslam
We dont know how many suits 89 Batman went through so we cant really say now can we.
Okay, all of this ignorance, and/or bias is starting to get on my nerves. Jrod, your posts are seriously giving me a headache here...
Originally posted by jrodslam
Tackled by 2 dogs? The second encounter, the dog leaped at him and he just tossed it to the side. Am i going to penalize a guy in a suit who asked for it to be made MORE durable who got knocked down by a dog? you better believe it. Hmm, was Keaton ever knocked down? I only time i remember was when the big guy in the belfry threw him. If im forgetting any instances, someone let me know.
Kay... did you even see the movie? And if you did, you obviously weren't paying attention to any of it.
He changed to a different suit that had separated parts so that he could move faster, be more flexible, and be more agile. The new suit was NOT more durable, but in fact, was stated by Lucius to make him more vulnerable to attacks.
Originally posted by jrodslam
We dont know how many suits 89 Batman went through so we cant really say now can we.
Kay, well in Batman Returns, Keaton's Batman got a new suit, which is quite apparent. And even then, Catwoman was able to find vulnerable spots where she stabbed him with her claws.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Bales fighting skills? Where was this shown? Like i stated before, he didnt show to have any type of martial arts skills when guised as Batman. The only time he ever showed any amount of ma skill was in Begins when he was training. Dogs are vicious yes, but easier to take down than a brute. A Keaton fact that supports him winning is A. Being more durable. B. Actually showing ma skill as Batman. C. Having faster reflexes. D. Doing what it takes to get the win by almost any means. How does Bales Batman win?
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Wow...
Okay, I'm assuming you've never heard of the "Keysi Fighting Method," which derives from Jeet Kun Do. It deals with the most efficient ways to take down multiple enemies at the same time. That is the martial art that Bale employed in both Begins and The Dark Knight.
And the fact that Bale used different types of kung fu- Hung Ga (Tiger), Panther/Leopard style, and Japanese Jujitsu- in his fight with Ra's Al Ghul only hurts your argument even more. As Bale is using those different styles, Ra's says to him "this is not a dance." In other words, don't use flashy methods of combat, but rather focus more on effective ways to take down an opponent. That's where Keysi comes in. Bale as Batman>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wayne before he became Batman in terms of fighting ability. Lawlz.
Just because Bale's Batman didn't use karate chops or double roundhouse spinning back kicks doesn't mean he wasn't a skilled martial artist. Bale was MUCH more efficient, and the overall better fighter between the two of them.
And again, bringing up the dogs is a rather desperate point, considering he's not fighting a group of dogs here. However, what IS a more relative point to bring up here is Keaton's fight with the thug in the tower. Keaton was getting stomped against a human.
Come to think of it, who was the most impressive guy Keaton's Batman ever defeated? As far as I can recall, Keaton fought most of his thugs 1-on-1. Bale on the other hand, fought swat teams, ninjas, etc. at the same time. Not to mention Ra's in the end of Begins. Hell, Keaton struggled with Catwoman for Christ's sake.
Also, let's not forget the nifty little hand gadgets that Batman employed at the beginning of the movie that he used to bend the barrel of a rifle and rip into a car. In a fight, those are fair game. So much for Keaton's "durability advantage."
Originally posted by jrodslam
Bale struggled to get up after his motorcycle crashed. Keaton got out of the batwing even after it crashed and exploded. Bale cant take a bullet whereas Keaton took them at point blank range. Multiple times. Dogs were able to penetrate Bales costume while Keaton had guards to protect him from swords.
Keaton's suit was penetrated on two separate occasions by Catwoman's claws. Keaton was bloodied up by random thug #110-A1 in the tower. Keaton also fell over in pain after some cops fired at him while he was on a rooftop.
Bale got shot point blank by Harvey at the end of Dark Knight.
And lulz @ the protective sword guards Keaton had. I seem to recall Ra's using a sword to fight Batman on the monorail at the end of Batman Begins. Batman breaks the sword in half with his gauntlets. Funny, eh? 🙂
once again those dogs where on bale pretty hard if his suit was as durable as keatons he would not have gotten those scars and marks on him when he went back home. i forgot exactly which part of the movie it was but i remember some of those guys with the jokers mask taking on bale hard and he was getting whipped there. il download the movie to find which part it was.
only one to give keaton a hard fight in the 89 batman movie was the black guy near the end of the movie when joker was dancing with vickie
in batman returns only one that gave bats a hard time was catwoman of course but if keaton had bales suit catwoman would have kicked his ass even harder im sure.