Ive never seen Brolly go up against a SSJ2. We've seen him against a Super Saiyan 1. Goku needed the power of all the z fighters to beat Brolly and he was still at SSJ1. A super saiyan 2 is powerful enough to take down Cell and he had the ability to regenerate. Gohan went up against a powered up Perfect Cell(almost the equivalent of an SSJ2 Gohan), he was in his injured state and he managed to defeat him with a one handed Kamehameha with know one giving him any energy whatsoever.
Originally posted by atv2
Ive never seen Brolly go up against a SSJ2. We've seen him against a Super Saiyan 1. Goku needed the power of all the z fighters to beat Brolly and he was still at SSJ1. A super saiyan 2 is powerful enough to take down Cell and he had the ability to regenerate. Gohan went up against a powered up Perfect Cell(almost the equivalent of an SSJ2 Gohan), he was in his injured state and he managed to defeat him with a one handed Kamehameha with know one giving him any energy whatsoever.
He went up against Gohan at SSJ2, as you can tell by the style of hair in Second Coming, but Broly had the advantage here, since he wasn't as strong as he was during the Cell Games when he fought Cell.
In Movie 10, Gohan went up against Brolly. He was standing toe to toe with him and he did not even power up while Brolly was in his Super Saiyan State. If we can recall right, he went through a near death experience and Saiyans grow stronger after they recover from serious injury. Gohan on the other hand has been out of training for 7 years and as a result, he grew weaker than he was when he fought Cell which probably made it more difficult for him to reach SSJ2. In that round, Brolly transformed to his USSJ form and it only took Three SSJ1's to defeat him(A Mastered SSJ1 Goku, A weakened SSJ Gohan, and a freshly new SSJ1 Goten)
Originally posted by Darth Raizen
He went up against Gohan at SSJ2, as you can tell by the style of hair in Second Coming, but Broly had the advantage here, since he wasn't as strong as he was during the Cell Games when he fought Cell.
That's the way his hair looked in SSJ1 too. Gohan never transformed to a SSJ2 in Movie 10.
I kinda wish people would look at the context of things and understand wtf canon is so then they would actually know what the hell they are talking about.
Broly's movies are canon to nothing but themselves, so the characters in the movies(Goku, Gohan, etc.) are not canon to the canon versions of themselves, and as such anything done in the movie or any forms are not present to the canon DBZ hierarchy of power, and Broly is not as well.
So, Gohan being SSJ2 or not(he was, btw) is no real indication of who is stronger.
Now, Broly's feats in DBZ, are second to absolutely no one in DBZ.
Broly destroyed almost an entire galaxy. No one else in canon DBZ has(Buu might have in filler, but it could also be interpreted as destroying them over time).
Broly's durability is freak. Able to withstand a full force Kamehameha inches away, and what it took to kill him was enormous. Three Super Kamehamehas along with the power of his own blast(at least planet destroying) actually had to send him through the ENTIRE sun, and he was only disintegrated when his heart exploded, which means his powerlevel which is what gave him his durability was turned to nothing.
Broly is very strong, able to destroy a large cliff by lightly kicking down on it, Goku SSJ2 in canon was able to raise a cliff with effort, Broly crushed one with ease.
Broly is fairly fast, able to dodge Piccolo, Trunk's, Goku's, and Gohan's attacks from a standing position with ease.
Broly is fairly versatile with his blasts I would like to point out as well, exhibiting great control over them.
By feats, Broly is second to none.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
I kinda wish people would look at the context of things and understand wtf canon is so then they would actually know what the hell they are talking about.Broly's movies are canon to nothing but themselves, so the characters in the movies(Goku, Gohan, etc.) are not canon to the canon versions of themselves, and as such anything done in the movie or any forms are not present to the canon DBZ hierarchy of power, and Broly is not as well.
So, Gohan being SSJ2 or not(he was, btw) is no real indication of who is stronger.
Now, Broly's feats in DBZ, are second to absolutely no one in DBZ.
Broly destroyed almost an entire galaxy. No one else in canon DBZ has(Buu might have in filler, but it could also be interpreted as destroying them over time).
Broly's durability is freak. Able to withstand a full force Kamehameha inches away, and what it took to kill him was enormous. Three Super Kamehamehas along with the power of his own blast(at least planet destroying) actually had to send him through the ENTIRE sun, and he was only disintegrated when his heart exploded, which means his powerlevel which is what gave him his durability was turned to nothing.
Broly is very strong, able to destroy a large cliff by lightly kicking down on it, Goku SSJ2 in canon was able to raise a cliff with effort, Broly crushed one with ease.
Broly is fairly fast, able to dodge Piccolo, Trunk's, Goku's, and Gohan's attacks from a standing position with ease.
Broly is fairly versatile with his blasts I would like to point out as well, exhibiting great control over them.
By feats, Broly is second to none.
He asked who was stronger than Brolly. Canon, We never see Brolly in the anime only the movies.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Broly's movies are canon to nothing but themselves, so the characters in the movies(Goku, Gohan, etc.) are not canon to the canon versions of themselves, and as such anything done in the movie or any forms are not present to the canon DBZ hierarchy of power, and Broly is not as well.
Agreed.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx So, Gohan being SSJ2 or not(he was, btw) is no real indication of who is stronger.
Explain a bit here.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx Now, Broly's feats in DBZ, are second to absolutely no one in DBZ.Broly destroyed almost an entire galaxy. No one else in canon DBZ has(Buu might have in filler, but it could also be interpreted as destroying them over time).
Buu did in filler, destroying galaxies in his wake.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx Broly's durability is freak. Able to withstand a full force Kamehameha inches away, and what it took to kill him was enormous. Three Super Kamehamehas along with the power of his own blast(at least planet destroying) actually had to send him through the ENTIRE sun, and he was only disintegrated when his heart exploded, which means his powerlevel which is what gave him his durability was turned to nothing.
Agreed.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx Broly is very strong, able to destroy a large cliff by lightly kicking down on it, Goku SSJ2 in canon was able to raise a cliff with effort, Broly crushed one with ease.
Not to mention that he lobbed a small blast at a planet that destroyed it with ease.
Broly is fairly fast, able to dodge Piccolo, Trunk's, Goku's, and Gohan's attacks from a standing position with ease.Broly is fairly versatile with his blasts I would like to point out as well, exhibiting great control over them.
Agreed.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx By feats, Broly is second to none.
Although there is the feat of Janemba warping reality in the DBZ universe.
Originally posted by Darth Raizen1. Well, what I mean is, that since Broly and his entire movies series is not canon to the DBZ manga or anime, he and any characters in the movies are not actually canon to the manga or anime, so being a SSJ2 or whatever is insignifigant in who is really stronger. Get what I mean?
Agreed.Explain a bit here.
Buu did in filler, destroying galaxies in his wake.
Agreed.
Not to mention that he lobbed a small blast at a planet that destroyed it with ease.
Agreed.
Although there is the feat of Janemba warping reality in the DBZ universe.
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2. Buu destroyed one galaxy in filler, and it was implied to be over time, it showed planets being destroyed one by one, then it showed the whole galaxy's planets and stars being destroyed. I do not believe it was in one shot.
3. Yeah, that was what I meant when I said versatility with his blasts, he was able to fire a small blast that he control just before it hit those losers and then made it fly to another planet and annihilate it. Also proves his blasts are FTL.
4. True, Janemba is also pretty damn powerful, he is the closest DBZ has to a reality warper, but in terms of destruction and raw power, Broly is superior IMO. Though it is hard to tell, Janemba never really tried to destroy anything.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Exactly.Hence why him fighting SSJ1s and 2s does not matter since the entire movie series is not canon to the manga or even the show.
You say it didn't matter but we've never seen Brolly go up against a Super Saiyan 2. Gohan's appearance in SSJ1 and SSJ2 as a young adult are very similar and inconsistent. Never at any point do you see Gohan with bolts surrounding him.
1. Well, what I mean is, that since Broly and his entire movies series is not canon to the DBZ manga or anime, he and any characters in the movies are not actually canon to the manga or anime, so being a SSJ2 or whatever is insignifigant in who is really stronger. Get what I mean?
I see now.
2. Buu destroyed one galaxy in filler, and it was implied to be over time, it showed planets being destroyed one by one, then it showed the whole galaxy's planets and stars being destroyed. I do not believe it was in one shot.
Actually, when you listen to King Kai, he said galaxies in the episode Energy Drain.
3. Yeah, that was what I meant when I said versatility with his blasts, he was able to fire a small blast that he control just before it hit those losers and then made it fly to another planet and annihilate it. Also proves his blasts are FTL.
Agreed.
4. True, Janemba is also pretty damn powerful, he is the closest DBZ has to a reality warper, but in terms of destruction and raw power, Broly is superior IMO. Though it is hard to tell, Janemba never really tried to destroy anything
Although there is that statement from Goku that he could possibly destroy the universe, which is debatable.
Originally posted by jalek moyeThey could destroy the canon versions, not necessarily the movie versions.
but brolly was defaeted by versions of the characters that arnt at their peak. mystic gohan, ss3 goku, or buu could easily destroy the movies version of the people who beat brolly
Fact is, they beat a character who by feats was so much greater than anyone in the canon it doesn't make sense.