Originally posted by janus77 we're talking moving objects crossing his path when he's already at many multiples of C (which he achieves near enough instantaneously).regardless of how long your depth of vision is, you still have to process all the information whilst travelling at >>> C, because your course changes when you navigate the obstacles - seeing new obstacles that were obscured initially.Surfer's also scanned the whole planet in the time it took Strange to complete a sentence. attacked cities around the Earth in a few panels...Surfer's reaction speeds are pretty uber.I say they are good for long range stuff. I never see him reacting to things up close on him. reacting to an asteroid is a lot different that reacting to say, Superman. Who would be like moving and changing directions and stuff.
Originally posted by janus77
what are his "horrible" showings of reaction speed?
anyone of them remotely PIS/CIS free?the character is designed to scout the universe, to chart the stars (literally) and is so fast that he can travel in time.
you can bring up Black Panther, bricks et al, the fact remains PIS/CIS if PIS/CIS.
By that example this guy must be the fastest fighter with the best reactions ever then. 🙂
Most of the time, no.
However, combat speed for certain characters, in my opinion, pertains more to h2h/reaction-based speed, while pertaining more towards straight-line speed for others. Brawlers would tend more towards the former, while blasters and ranged characters would tend towards the latter. That isn't to say that they are mutually exclusive, though.
See it's things like this that piss me off about the direction comics are going in. When flash can go so fast he can (insert nonsensical thing here) it gets old fast and makes no sense. I enjoyed the days when flash was just a regular fast(freakishly fast still) dude. Now he's practically a god and it disgust me to even read these things sometimes. Anytime someone can outrun death till the end of time I just want to gouge my eyes out.
*prepares for die hard flash fan to tear me apart*
Originally posted by razor4life
See it's things like this that piss me off about the direction comics are going in. When flash can go so fast he can (insert nonsensical thing here) it gets old fast and makes no sense. I enjoyed the days when flash was just a regular fast(freakishly fast still) dude. Now he's practically a god and it disgust me to even read these things sometimes. Anytime someone can outrun death till the end of time I just want to gouge my eyes out.*prepares for die hard flash fan to tear me apart*
It's no more rediculous than the God damned silver surfer absorbing souls and psychich energy and time traveling. ug. The Silver Surfer is a God.
Actually SS reaction speeds are good. But no where near the level some are given him (like Janus). With only human reflexes I can navigate through space traveling at light speed. Think about it. It takes light 8 mins to reach the Sun from Earth. Thus, flying towards the Sun at lightspeed, we have 8 mins to avoid hitting the Sun. Super super slow reactions are needed. The Slowski turtle on Comcast could avoid the Sun traveling at the speed of light. And Stars and other sh!t in space is even further than the distance than Earth is to the Sun (on average). SS intercepting an energy beam from 20m is way more impressive than him navigating through space at super speed. Plus its rumored that he travels in hyperspace when beyond C (thus can't hit anything not in hyperspace). Also SS knows the entire path beforehand. He knows which stars and planets are ahead of him even before he travels. This isn't reactions alone.
With that said, to have great combat speed requires the following. Taking anyone one of these off the list takes away the combat speed tremendously.
1. Great instantenous traveling speeds (speeds from rest).
2. Great reaction speeds.
3. Great arm, leg, torso, limb, etc. speeds.
4. Good skill.
Note: SS doesn't have 4., has only good to average 3., and 1. is iffy for him on average. Thus this makes him not have great combat speed. And it shows.
Originally posted by h1a8
Actually SS reaction speeds are good. But no where near the level some are given him (like Janus). With only human reflexes I can navigate through space traveling at light speed. Think about it. It takes light 8 mins to reach the Sun from Earth. Thus, flying towards the Sun at lightspeed, we have 8 mins to avoid hitting the Sun. Super super slow reactions are needed. The Slowski turtle on Comcast could avoid the Sun traveling at the speed of light. And Stars and other sh!t in space is even further than the distance than Earth is to the Sun (on average). SS intercepting an energy beam from 20m is way more impressive than him navigating through space at super speed. Plus its rumored that he travels in hyperspace when beyond C (thus can't hit anything not in hyperspace). Also SS knows the entire path beforehand. He knows which stars and planets are ahead of him even before he travels. This isn't reactions alone.With that said, to have great combat speed requires the following. Taking anyone one of these off the list takes away the combat speed tremendously.
1. Great instantenous traveling speeds (speeds from rest).
2. Great reaction speeds.
3. Great arm, leg, torso, limb, etc. speeds.
4. Good skill.Note: SS doesn't have 4., has only good to average 3., and 1. is iffy for him on average. Thus this makes him not have great combat speed. And it shows.
Firstly, I agree that SS is certainly overhyped by some people. Now, let me address some of your points.
People aren't referring to planetary bodies most of the time. They refer to asteroid belts and space debris when crediting SS with needing fast reaction speeds to avoid collision, especially as he travels at speeds constantly above C. As for whether or not SS is able to map out his journey, it is of course possible. Unfortunately, that doesn't equate to him being automatically able to micro-manage his flight without reflexes.
Point 1: There are extremely few clocked instances of high-speed travel from a confirmed position of rest.
Point 2: Covered above.
Point 3: Is a factor. However, moving limbs quickly does not automatically equal combat speed. Otherwise, sprinters would be excellent kickboxers due to their leg speed.
Point 4: SS isn't a h2h fighter. The only form of combat speed he needs is evasive speed. I have covered that in my earlier post.
Originally posted by razor4life
so would you say surfer is better at evading in combat than lets say spiderman? comics say no, but if we are going by powerset it says yes. I doubt spiderman is dodging FTL objects.
Originally posted by Ouallada
Firstly, I agree that SS is certainly overhyped by some people. Now, let me address some of your points.People aren't referring to planetary bodies most of the time. They refer to asteroid belts and space debris when crediting SS with needing fast reaction speeds to avoid collision, especially as he travels at speeds constantly above C. As for whether or not SS is able to map out his journey, it is of course possible. Unfortunately, that doesn't equate to him being automatically able to micro-manage his flight without reflexes.
Point 1: There are extremely few clocked instances of high-speed travel from a confirmed position of rest.
Point 2: Covered above.
Point 3: Is a factor. However, moving limbs quickly does not automatically equal combat speed. Otherwise, sprinters would be excellent kickboxers due to their leg speed.
Point 4: SS isn't a h2h fighter. The only form of combat speed he needs is evasive speed. I have covered that in my earlier post.
But It has already been proven that Surfer has Superman like reflex Micro , Nano sec reaction time on panel.
No, they aren't. Impressing this point on people is occasionally difficult, especially with people like Surfer.
Anyway, ignoring the silver one for a second and talking generally, some people have 1, some have both. But there's a clear distinction, and comics are generally fairly consistent on this point.