count dooku vs vaders apprentice (starkiller)

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
So you don't think there wont be as many people as there were for Revan saying that Nion is uber and can kill any character since he apparently can stalemate a post rots Sidious? I don't think many people will focus on his flaws as there will be saying that is god. It will b interesting to see what others think on different forums.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Nion will have fanboys whose debates will revolve around Stalemating Palpatine. Gideon's point is that, despite his ridiculous power, the man is still just a man. Revan seems perfect in every way, Nion is at least flawed.

Amen. Thank you.

Stop crying kids it'll be ok...

Where did you get this info? I myself would like to read it.

Originally posted by Dr. Styles
Stop crying kids it'll be ok...

^LOL, and he's getting it from people posting spoilers on TFN (theforce.net) lit forums, they're always like 18 steps ahead of you guys...neways the spoilers are conflicting though one dude says Vader and SA is like an epic slugfest with SA barley winning, anther says he dumps on Vader, there all pretty much waiting for conformation on the fights.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Revan seems perfect in every way

I don't see anything wrong with that.
Is that a bad thing? 🙄

i gotta say: as a PC gamer, i won't be playing the game... (and its looks stupid with its bright lights with every use of the force, since when is THAT canon? ) no one has answered that yet. is that some special force power that the apprentice has that no one else has ever had? needs a name... like rainbow blossom or something else gay...)
but... aside from that (which is my personal problem with it that i can't talk about the game without mentioning....)
but aside from it: This has all the earmarkings of something i constantly downplay for realism... this falls right into the 8 year old boba fett vs. Windu garbage i was just commenting on, and the "mandalorians are the greatest enemy of the jedi crap"
if something is unbelievable, do we just ignore it?
I mean, we ignore Mace's Clone Wars feats mostly because they are just ridiculous. (or Yoda's for that matter) and it doesn't fit with other descriptions of him. (novels, film, w/e) so can't we do the same with a game that puts an absolute new character on par with the established greats?

1. The force has always usually been depicted as blue blurs in visual mediums when showing a force push or something so it doesn't look completely retarted.

2. From the novel spoils it seems SA feats aren't as grandious as the game presents it, with it costing him a heavy price for performing his leet powaz

One other thing where is this: Revan has no flaws shit coming from? Aside from the KOTOR 1 playthough which is really YOU not Revan, his previous personality was flat out stated to be: Arrogant, impatient, and power hungry, one could also make the case for a bit of meglomania, he had the stand alone complex that Jacen had, and his dark side talk in PoD cements that he was a pretty damn evil dude. Sure he's absurdly powerful but he's still a douche bag. At least pre KOTOR.

Actually Revan was NEVER stated to be arrogant, nor power hungry. He was THOUGHT of as impatient but those were subjective views from retarded Jedi. He is my favorite character and he IS perfect, but that isn't necessarily a good thing.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Actually Revan was NEVER stated to be arrogant, nor power hungry. He was THOUGHT of as impatient but those were subjective views from retarded Jedi. He is my favorite character and he IS perfect, but that isn't necessarily a good thing.

Subjective views that the entire council seemed to agree on and the only one who could even be really thought of as biased would be Vrook, because well he's a d-bag. He was called proud and headstrong by the Jedi, that assumes a bit of arrogance.

We can easily assume that he was power hungry, as he ah you know: tried to take over the galaxy ( but wait its for the galaxy's own good huh? I guess Jacen was right to...) Also his lust for knowledge that Vandar stated he had, that doubled with his hording of Sith artifacts.

And I don't know about you but I think deluding yourself into thinking your destroying the galaxy to prep it is a good thing is a bit, how can I put this: stupid.

How about the fact that he gives the ok for a command that is only just short of genocide, then uses the dark side to break Jedi after Jedi's will, all this an event he masterminded. Or how bout the slaughter of the Echani.

Finally as I said read his section in PoD, considering that he gave himself fully to the dark side of the force and became a pretty rotten guy is not perfection.

He's my favorite character to but the guy was still a bit of a sociopath while on his dark side trip.

I'll be honest, jacob nion is probably the most overpowered bullshit character to exist yet, hell revan and bane were believable characters but jacob is way too overpowered.

Right, a non skywalker is more powerful than the supposid "chosen one"(had he not get injured).

I done some reading at TFN, and it seems the overpowered character nearly "annihilates vader" and "throws everything at the emperor knocking off his concentration(something which even 2 skywalkers at once could BARELY do on sidious)".

F*king overpowered. Now the fanboys will ramble how much more powerful jacob is than sidious vader or even NJO luke.

Nion, in the grand scheme of things, is not as bad as Revan. Great power does not make him a Gary Stu. He was deeply deluded, easily manipulated, and confused. Revan's portrayed to basically be the second coming, with stopgaps like confirmations that Skywalker and Sidious and Yoda are beyond him being the only thing preventing him from being perfect and all powerful.

Revan's "flaws" are only mentioned to be in the pre-game years. Even then, it's not as bad as some may think:

He was arrogant sure, but compare his to the arrogance of many other antagonists in Star Wars, his is rather justified by comparison. He WAS a brilliant tactician, he WAS extremely charismatic, he WAS the best duelist, the best Force-wielder... he WAS the best of his day.

He was power-hungry, yes. But as we learn, it was all apparently for a noble defence of the galaxy.

That's pretty much it, he's the perfect being in every other way.

Oh and I forgot to mention: Kreia even speculates that the glorious bastard never even fell to the Dark Side. Apparently, he's so awesome, he's incorruptible. Oh my God... Revan is Batman.

Originally posted by Gideon
Nion, in the grand scheme of things, is not as bad as Revan. Great power does not make him a Gary Stu. He was deeply deluded, easily manipulated, and confused. Revan's portrayed to basically be the second coming, with stopgaps like confirmations that Skywalker and Sidious and Yoda are beyond him being the only thing preventing him from being perfect and all powerful.

I think the point is that not many characters would even have the ability let alone the knowledge of Nion's weaknesses to exploit them in a vs match.

Tangible God said it perfectly. Anyone who would suggest that Nion is more of a Gary Stu/fanboy magnet than Revan is retarded; for the most part, the boys and girls over at TF.net find the idea of Nion tooling Darth Vader and then holding his own against Darth Sidious to be a major **** up. Revan's presented to be flawless. I will never understand those who verbally fellate "LOLZ HOW UBER" Revan is. There's no logic behind it. In fact, one could say that for a guy who had all those advantages -- peerless dueling expertise, Force strength, charisma, military knowledge, experience, and will power -- and still failed to achieve his goals is rather pathetic.

As far as Nion is concerned, more details about the fight have been revealed. It is now my understanding that Nion doesn't really match the Emperor, but simply hurls "a lot of stuff" at him while Sidious is focused on PWNing Kota, which distracts him. And then the Emperor baits Nion into trying to strike him down. And then, the Emperor attempts to electrocute everyone, but Starkiller steps in the way and encroaches upon the Emperor -- gripping him as he's being electrocuted -- causing them both to be in agony.

He doesn't overpower him (though there is a mention how he makes some sort of sacrifice that puts a dent in the Death Star) but simply endures his Force lightning.

Revan is #1. But yes, Starkiller's power levels are a mockery of the intention of the movie, since it doesn't make ANY sense. While I think Revan is perfect, he's obviously not on Sidious' level, but he doesn't need to be to be perfect🙂

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Revan is #1. But yes, Starkiller's power levels are a mockery of the intention of the movie, since it doesn't make ANY sense. While I think Revan is perfect, he's obviously not on Sidious' level, but he doesn't need to be to be perfect🙂

You conjure up an attitude surprisingly similar to Nebaris, Darth Sexy. No one finds it amusing. The character whose literary penis you've swallowed to the point of choking is, actually, a complete failure.

Originally posted by Gideon
You conjure up an attitude surprisingly similar to Nebaris, Darth Sexy. No one finds it amusing. The character whose literary penis you've swallowed to the point of choking is, actually, a complete failure.

I never stated facts. I stated that Revan is PERFECT in my deluded mind because he's my favorite character, and that while he's shown without any failing qualities, he's still not as powerful as some star wars figures, whereas Starkiller contradicts a LOT of what happens in the movies. There was no humor here Escape. I think during your mental breakdown you lost the ability to differentiate between humor and seriousness.

WTF?

So... Starkiller is stronger than Vader, as powerful as the Emperor, and is now at a stalemate for the most powerful Sith Lord in history. He, 'apparently', has UNLIMITED POWER!!! in the force. Gee, that makes sense!

I've never felt like dropping a large TV on GL's head. Until today. I hope they don't screw up that nice-looking game with that... ugh...