count dooku vs vaders apprentice (starkiller)

Oh well in that case, we don't give a shit about how you feel on the matter either.

But no, I know he's not the most powerful ever, and I personally like that he was the best of his era. I just don't like how he was coupled with a Gary Stu persona. Kind of drained some of us of empathy for his character.

And he WAS the prodigal knight. Later. Much later. When the audience no longer gives a f*ck.

By the by, if I did change the topic (can't recall doing so), it's because I couldn't be bothered reading through the whole page. It's kinda long.

Originally posted by Dr. Styles
Yeah that fragile little guy who mops the floor with Vaders ***** ass then proceeds to dump on Palpatine (The strongest Sith EVER) matches him at his own game Force Lightning, and put crater in the Death Star, he nearly does by himself what Luke Skywalker AND Vader, Yoda, and Obi Wan couldn't do. He makes the big bad Dark Lords of the Sith look like harmless girl scouts, makes Yoda the 800 year old most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness has ever known look like a muppet playing with a glow stick at the tender age of what... 21. And REVAN is a bigger Gary Stu then this guy? LOL.

Seriously? Just how many people are able to knock a post ROTS sidious concentration? Just how many people can "tool vader let alone take a dump on palpatine"?

These new producers and designers are just attempting to use *their* character creations to overpower previous important characters.

Even bane and NJO luke were not THAT overpowered, they made this jacob fella like some star wars galactus, an overpowered bullshit character.

Originally posted by Gideon
Darth Revan is a Gary Stu.

Originally posted by Dr. Styles
Read my post toward Gideon, he has no point.

Originally posted by Dr. Styles
That wasn't my point, I KNOW he's a Gary Stu (in terms of his power and ability) and I have no problem with that

LOL. I'll recap for the deluded and foolish: my point was that Darth Revan was a Gary Stu. Then you ***** and whine and complain and shout and cry and throw a grade school-class bitchfit that LOLZ NO HE IS NOT! and then slide a consession in the midst of it? Too bad I spotted it, AC. You might want to change your username to Janus 2.0, because this is exactly something that he would have done. You understand and accept that Revan is a Gary Stu (by not being a complete moron) and yet want to argue the point anyways because he's your favorite. And you have the temerity to call out my bias on Palpatine?

And keep out your failed little attempts at insults/humor.

Failed little attempts at humor? LOL. I'd ask you to do the same, but I'd imagine that that would render you completely silent. Your whole argument is a joke. Revan's a Gary Stu. The ****ing end; thank you for agreeing.

At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter. We can ***** all day how Lucas is all about the money, but ya know what? Its a business, and that's the point of a business. To make money. Just like the oil companies. Everyone hates raising gas prices, but if you were the CEO of that oil company and you could add a billion dollars to your yearly personal income, you'd do it. Same thing. GL wants to add something new (no matter how stupid to us) and uber to Star Wars. Obviously we don't hear of this guy at any other point in the saga, so he's not that uber. Just wait til the game comes out to make a decision on it. If you don't like it, don't buy the game.

Also, i always thought that video games come in under movie canon if it contradicts anything from the movies, or GL's own words, right?

Just wait and get the full scoop rather than listening to other people's biased opinions on what "might happen."

If someone didn't know who Revan was and read both Escape's and Style's descriptions of him, they would get two different ideas about the guy. Same thing with Jacob.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter. We can ***** all day how Lucas is all about the money, but ya know what? Its a business, and that's the point of a business. To make money. Just like the oil companies. Everyone hates raising gas prices, but if you were the CEO of that oil company and you could add a billion dollars to your yearly personal income, you'd do it. Same thing. GL wants to add something new (no matter how stupid to us) and uber to Star Wars. Obviously we don't hear of this guy at any other point in the saga, so he's not that uber. Just wait til the game comes out to make a decision on it. If you don't like it, don't buy the game.

Also, i always thought that video games come in under movie canon if it contradicts anything from the movies, or GL's own words, right?

Just wait and get the full scoop rather than listening to other people's biased opinions on what "might happen."

If someone didn't know who Revan was and read both Escape's and Style's descriptions of him, they would get two different ideas about the guy. Same thing with Jacob.

I just wrote what I read from people who read the book.

I'm just saying that people very rarely report accurately and tend to allow emotion or bias influence their writings/reportings. For all we know, that be a bunch of smoke being blown up our ass about how "good" this guy is.
Although this game is the one that others will bow too (technology-wise) I'll probably rent it first before i spend $60 buying something that I think is poorly written or lacks continuity integrity.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
I'm just saying that people very rarely report accurately and tend to allow emotion or bias influence their writings/reportings. For all we know, that be a bunch of smoke being blown up our ass about how "good" this guy is.
Although this game is the one that others will bow too (technology-wise) I'll probably rent it first before i spend $60 buying something that I think is poorly written or lacks continuity integrity.

Oh, the game looks ****ing amazing. I'm not that upset about this at all. And there aren't a major presence of LOLZ I LUFF STARKILLER fans there. Most of them find the idea of Starkiller versus the Emperor not ending in Starkiller's total humiliation retarded.

LOL. I'll recap for the deluded and foolish: my point was that Darth Revan was a Gary Stu. Then you ***** and whine and complain and shout and cry and throw a grade school-class bitchfit that LOLZ NO HE IS NOT! and then slide a consession in the midst of it? Too bad I spotted it, AC. You might want to change your username to Janus 2.0, because this is exactly something that he would have done. You understand and accept that Revan is a Gary Stu (by not being a complete moron) and yet want to argue the point anyways because he's your favorite. And you have the temerity to call out my bias on Palpatine?

Wow, I wanted to refrain from calling you a total buffoon but thats what you are right now, if anyone is b*tching its you about TFU, George Lucas, Starkiller, your wuv Palpatine being mad to look like a french maid and Revan, you said:

"Revan's presented to be flawless."

"all proficiency and no personality;"

I pointed out that Revan does INDEED have personality flaws, which was ALWAYS my beef with the angry e-hate your spilling onto the character, I NEVER said Revan WASN'T a Gary Stu in terms of his power and ability, in fact I've said it before and I said it in this topic to at the start of this little b*tch fest:

"Revan has no flaws shit coming from?...Sure he's absurdly powerful but he's still a douche bag. At least pre KOTOR."

In fact I've even said it before this:

Really now, this is a bit silly, Revan is a Gary Stu, you complaining won't change that fact and as a Gary Stu he extremely powerful with few flaws

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=483989&pagenumber=3

That was back in June, now notice I said few flaws, but he does have them such as the ones I pointed out here: The god complex, ego, megalomania, and his sociopath tendencies.

YOU however where flat out stating that Revan is utter perfection, with no ill qualities what so ever, which is WRONG. You can get mad all you want pout and attempt to scorch me with your e-hate and unclever insults that got played out when I used them all last year, but this doesn't change the fact that you look like an angry baboon now, not only that but an angry baboon that seems to lack complete reading comprehension.

Failed little attempts at humor? LOL. I'd ask you to do the same, but I'd imagine that that would render you completely silent. Your whole argument is a joke.

Why so serious? Calm down monkey, why does internet arguing get you flustered up anyways? Your just getting out of high school right, your balls have probably just dropped and your gettin some hair under your chin, good for you. Why don't you go out and use some of that testosterone on some lucky young lady instead of me on the intrawebz.

Revan's a Gary Stu. The ****ing end; thank you for agreeing.

Never said he wasn't, but that wasn't the point now was it, or do you want me to spell it out for you again Would it help you if I got all pissy and started using four stars at you? Maybe you'd understand this:

RAWR Revan not be perfect u ****ing *** I ****ing hate u **** *** *** ****ing **** *** ****!!!111!!!. Did that help?

This reminds me a lot of arguing with Nebaris; it devolves into slinging around phrases like "lol i r funny but u r not" and "u better stop with teh unfunny jokes". Modesty aside, AC, only one of us is known for witty remarks and top notch verbal sparring and it isn't you. In that perspective, your declarations that my attempts at humor aren't funny don't carry the same massive weight that I'm sure your body does. So, how about this: you drop the Nebaris routine and we both stop criticising how funny the other is.

Originally posted by Dr. Styles
Wow, I wanted to refrain from calling you a total buffoon but thats what you are right now, if anyone is b*tching its you about TFU, George Lucas, Starkiller, your wuv Palpatine being mad to look like a french maid and Revan, you said:

How about you take your eyes off of the KotOR comics and actually read this discussion? I haven't complained or whined or bitched about Starkiller beating Palpatine. In fact, I've been rather calm about it. If you want people who are throwing fits, you can turn to Master Crimzon and such who now find the game to be completely retarded. I've testified that I still find the game to be unimaginably appealing and I look forward to it and the novelization. So, really, "total buffoon" is a term I'd give to the debater here who is making shit up in a ridiculous attempt to commit ad hominem. He happens to share your username.

As for the other shit, we're not talking about moral or ethical issues. Though again, the game and its creators go well out of the way to justify Revan's actions with the Malcolm X idealogy "by any means necessary". Where are his blunders? Mistakes? Decisions that lead to defeat or setbacks? Those are the flaws that most of us look for in a character.

Not that it matters, since you agreed that Revan is a Gary Stu (the entire point). The only who seems to be arguing from some sort of bias is you.

Why so serious? Calm down monkey, why does internet arguing get you flustered up anyways? Your just getting out of high school right, your balls have probably just dropped and your gettin some hair under your chin, good for you. Why don't you go out and use some of that testosterone on some lucky young lady instead of me on the intrawebz.

Oh, Jesus Christ. This? First, stop borrowing lines from The Dark Knight; Ledger's throwing a ****ing fit from beyond the grave that you'd dare use his lines and be so lackluster with them. Second, if you're going to give me your Adult Internet Nerd's Lessons On Life, could you send me the audio version? You'll pardon me if I don't take a thirty-something-year-old seriously when he uses expressions like "your just getting out of high school" and then commenting on my balls. You're wasting your time and no one here finds you impressive. And "intrawebz"? LOL. Nebaris, let AC have his account back.

Wait a minute, when did this overpowered wigga beat palpatine?

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
Wait a minute, [b]when did this overpowered wigga beat palpatine? [/B]

Excuse me. "Stalemated, endured" rather than "beat".

only one of us is known for witty remarks and top notch verbal sparring and it isn't you. In that perspective, your declarations that my attempts at humor aren't funny don't carry the same massive weight that I'm sure your body does.

Awww it thinks its people!

I find it hilarious that your claiming e-fame, AND boasting about it LULZ WUT? "I'm like soo "known" for my snarky and dry wit on a minor Star Wars vs forum!" You win the award for failure of the day, Congrats. And I'm a fatty apparently, you sir are hilarious.

Blah blah *insert your crap here* blah blah blah

Eh whatever then, I thought you were on the TFU whaaafest, my bad, you ARE however on the I hate Revan 4 evar b*tchfest.

Where are his blunders? Mistakes? Decisions that lead to defeat or setbacks? Those are the flaws that most of us look for in a character.

I tire of repeating myself:

Revan was betrayed and it was his own fault (thinking Malak wouldn't turn on him the first chance he got) that alone suggests a VERY heavy ego on Revan's part that he'd give Malak that much power and not be worried about him even AFTER he hacked the dudes jaw off. That is a character flaw.

He gives his apprentice ( whose JAW he hacked off, whose probably burning with hate for his master, who Revan has purposely programmed his assassin droid to constantly disrespect Malak and apparently Revan thoroughly enjoys laughing at Malak (As HK-47 tells us ), not only that but Revan TAUGHT Malak to betray him.) enough power and loyal men to turn on him and send all his xantos gambits crashing down on a whim. Not only that but he doesn't clue his apprentice in on his little plan for the galaxy and thus inadvertently dooms it to the hands of his dumb angry club of an apprentice. All this shows Revan to be EXTREMELY arrogant. His mistakes nearly got him killed and the galaxy utterly wasted.

If you need me to make it a tinsy bit more clear:

THAT IS A CHARACTER FLAW

That was the point of the *discussion*

Blah blah blah I cry moar, Ac u be old! an a nerd!.

Hey smart guy, if your gonna try and play the: U is a old lozzer u is fat! u is ugly!!! Maybe just maybe you shouldn't be Myspace friends with the person, you have access to know how old I'am and know what I look like. And really Jess I wouldn't be insulting ANYONE else looks wonder bread. And considering your a drama lame you REALLY have no room to talk. Oh and my mistake your not getting out of high school, one more year ta go kiddo, u can do it! As for Heath while his role as the Joker was good; I'm sure you're leading female role in your high schools production of Legally Blonde the musical was EPIC.

BTW why do you keep mentioning Nebs ALL the time? I know he occupies lots of space in your mind, but please try to keep your hate/latent homoerotic love for nebs on SD.net, cry to them, they'll e-hug you.

One thing quickly: Gideon, you claimed that revan was pathetic for failing to achieve her goal. That isn't quite true. Assuming that Revan's goal was to stop the True Sith, then she succeeded, unless they took over while my back was turned.

It's a he, dumbass

WOOOOOOOOOOOW

Doesn't PIS apply on this part of the vs board?

Don't get me wrong. I'm looking forward to playing the game, IF I get the funds and the ability to buy an Xbox 360 with a reasonable price tag- if that happens, you betcha I'm gonna play that game. I just found that little piece about the character 'stalemating' Palpatine after WTFpwning Vader ridiculous, and will probably end up making the experience far less satisfying, in the end.

The only 'reasonable' thing I can see for Nion to do in order to accomplish said things is for Vader to be distracted and hesitant, and for him, perhaps, going into "Uberz!!" sacrificing mode in order to somehow endure Sidious' lightning. That, cliched as it is, would make more sense than accomplishing these things based off of pure, acquired skill alone.

LOL. I've seemed to have twisted the good doctor's panties in a wad; amazing how this apparently accomplished and successful adult has managed to a.) spend so much time on an internet forum, b.) start an unnecessary argument about his favorite character, c.) manage to slide in two concessions while all the while continuing the unnecessary argument and d.) still finds the time to lecture others on their balls, testosterone, and other topics he's clearly an expert in.

Give it up, AC Nebaris. Your laughter-inspiring lecture on life is no better than my mean retaliatory comments. You have no credentials or accolades that would inspire myself or the rest of us to listen to you. In essence, you're acting no different than any other jobless thirty-year-old who uses the internet as a soap box to engage his youngers either out of a homoerotic obsession with them or because he believes that they will give him his undue attention.

Nebaris, if you don't want to get caught so easily, stop using old material.

I'm sure the predictable, enraged response is going to be awe inspiring, AC. You'll manage to slide in a third concession and prove how predictable old people really are.

Edit: Hey, now I know who you are. @@ron on my Myspace. Okay, I retract the statements that you're fat and thirty. Though the fact that you're nineteen still doesn't inspire awe and make me want to listen to you about life, since you're only two years older than me.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
One thing quickly: Gideon, you claimed that revan was pathetic for failing to achieve her goal. That isn't quite true. Assuming that Revan's goal was to stop the True Sith, then she succeeded, unless they took over while my back was turned.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Question: What gland in your brain is not functioning properly for you to not understand that Revan had hanging mass between his legs? He's a guy you retard.

Have you ever been to Kentucky? It's my understanding that its native people have hanging mass from between their legs all the time and aren't, necessarily, men.

By the way, Karen Traviss's Clone Wars novel is pretty damn good.