Originally posted by Red Hulk
Isn't the entropy of DC, entropy?
Originally posted by fangirl101You're not sure if entropy in DC is the entropy of DC?
Not Sure. When Crona cracked the dawn of time, he let in entropy that killed the universe or part of it. Something like that. That is how the AM got the advantage on the monitor. I'm assuming they are flip sides of the same thing or something similiar. I know that PC supers got smacked with a hand wave from the anti-monitor and was all busted up. So his mojo is some serious mojo.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Im not sure anti-matter and entropy are different. They have the same origin. krona.
Anti Matter and Entropy are different, though. Entropy is total destruction. It's the end of the universe. Ganthet's Tale makes that clear.
Anti-Matter is just matter inverted. A universe of entropy could exist, but by definition it would have no life in it (as entropy is defined in the DCU).
Originally posted by fangirl101
[B]Not Sure. When Crona cracked the dawn of time, he let in entropy that killed the universe or part of it. Something like that. That is how the AM got the advantage on the monitor.
No.
Krona's experiment both shortened the lifespan of the matter universe and created the anti matter universe (Which is what birthed the Anti Monitor).
The destruction of PARIAH'S universe is what gave Anti Monitor the edge against the Monitor.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Actually SBP is the most powerful of the Precrisis Kryptonians. the guy flies thru anti-matter, the entropy of DC like it's nothing.
No, he's not. When Superboy Prime was introduced it was clear he was exactly equal to Pre-Crisis Superman.
Pre-Crisis Superman was less powerful than Mon-El, who was killed by Entropy, and was equal to Pocket Universe Superboy, who was killed by Entropy/Time Trapper.
Originally posted by Desaad
No.Krona's experiment both shortened the lifespan of the matter universe and created the anti matter universe (Which is what birthed the Anti Monitor).
The destruction of PARIAH'S universe is what gave Anti Monitor the edge against the Monitor.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Some accounts say Krona also released entropy which is what killed a billion years worth of the universes life.
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
Ganthet's Tale specifies that what Krona's experiment did was link the beginning and end of the universe, shortening it's lifespan by a billion years due to the release of Entropy.
But Vol 3 clarifies that it did BOTH - it shortened the lifespan of DC's universe AND created the Anti-Matter universe AND released evil into the universe.
The original origin was that it created the Anti Matter universe and released evil into the universe. The Larry Niven/John Byrne Ganthet's Tale tried to retcon that as a lie by the Guardians, and then the v3 Gerard Jones run decided to incorporate them all into one consistent origin.
Originally posted by DesaadSo are anti-matter and entropy flip sides of the coin or linked some how. That was always my assumption. Which is why i thought the AM's wave was so powerful.
Yes, that's what I'm saying.Ganthet's Tale specifies that what Krona's experiment did was link the beginning and end of the universe, shortening it's lifespan by a billion years due to the release of Entropy.
But Vol 3 clarifies that it did BOTH - it shortened the lifespan of DC's universe AND created the Anti-Matter universe AND released evil into the universe.
The original origin was that it created the Anti Matter universe and released evil into the universe. The Larry Niven/John Byrne Ganthet's Tale tried to retcon that as a lie by the Guardians, and then the v3 Gerard Jones run decided to incorporate them all into one consistent origin.
Originally posted by Desaad
No, he's not. When Superboy Prime was introduced it was clear he was exactly equal to Pre-Crisis Superman.Pre-Crisis Superman was less powerful than Mon-El, who was killed by Entropy, and was equal to Pocket Universe Superboy, who was killed by Entropy/Time Trapper.
Precrisis Superman was pwned by the AM's smack. Flying thru Am did nothing to SBP. SBP also was powerful enough to retcon punch DC. In my opinion, he has the better feats.
Originally posted by fangirl101
So are anti-matter and entropy flip sides of the coin or linked some how. That was always my assumption.
No. Entropy is the destruction of everything. Matter, anti-matter, whatever. It could most accurately be described as the opposite of life, or existance.
Anti Matter is another form of matter. Instead of being composed of electrons, protons and nuetrons it's composed of anti-electrons, antiprotons and antineutrons (same sizes, same charge magntitudes, different charge signs).
When matter and antimatter meet and combine, it causes the mutual destruction of both.
Entropy would cause the destruction of ANYTHING it comes into contact with, but not itself.
Which is why i thought the AM's wave was so powerful.
No, the Anti Matter wave was so powerful because it was tearing through a universe that was composed of matter.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Precrisis Superman was pwned by the AM's smack. Flying thru Am did nothing to SBP. SBP also was powerful enough to retcon punch DC. In my opinion, he has the better feats.
There is no evidence that this Anti Monitor, as seen in Sinestro Corps War, was as powerful as the Anti Monitor that had absorbed multiple universes and destroyed all the others.
And you're wrong, he doesn't have better feats. He's never moved a star, or sneezed out a solar system, or moved multiple planets at once.
Pre Crisis Superboy did all of these, and more.
Originally posted by Desaad
No. Entropy is the destruction of everything. Matter, anti-matter, whatever. It could most accurately be described as the opposite of life, or existance.Anti Matter is another form of matter. Instead of being composed of electrons, protons and nuetrons it's composed of anti-electrons, antiprotons and antineutrons (same sizes, same charge magntitudes, different charge signs).
When matter and antimatter meet and combine, it causes the mutual destruction of both.
Entropy would cause the destruction of ANYTHING it comes into contact with, but not itself.
No, the Anti Matter wave was so powerful because it was tearing through a universe that was composed of matter.
Originally posted by Desaad
There is no evidence that this Anti Monitor, as seen in Sinestro Corps War, was as powerful as the Anti Monitor that had absorbed multiple universes and destroyed all the others.And you're wrong, he doesn't have better feats. He's never moved a star, or sneezed out a solar system, or moved multiple planets at once.
Pre Crisis Superboy did all of these, and more.
I'd say Punching so hard that you change time or cause a retcon is far beyond sneezing a solar system or moving multiple planets. Messing with time and retcons is abstract stuff. Sneezing stars and moving planets is not. Just pure force. And of course the AM wasn't as powerful. But the wave in which he emitted was the same. The AM himself gained power by the amount of destruction his wave caused.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Problem. If Anti-matter and matter destroy each other upon contact, then explain how the anti-matter wave is able to destroy matter and yet grow stronger itself?
Presumably Anti Monitor is an abstract in the sense that he gains power from the existence of his universes. If one believes that the Anti Matter generating gun works on the same principal, or takes it's power from him, then it would simply be a matter of the Anti Monitor growing more powerful as more and more universes fall under his dominion.
But thats a no prize kind of answer. The correct answer is; it wouldn't.
Originally posted by fangirl101
[B]I'd say Punching so hard that you change time or cause a retcon
But we know that Golden Age Superman was able to do the same thing, break through the same field, and he wasn't half as powerful as Pre Crisis Superman.
I think at that point the nature of the prison should probably be taken into account.
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Supeman is punked by Black Bolt in 10 seconds, or Surfer in 0.001 second, thanks to cosmic awarness. Or by Thor.Superman in the team is one reason why DC loose. Replace him with ... let say Classic Captain Marvel, and you have already a better line-up.