7 of DC's best vs. 7 of Marvel's best

Originally posted by Desaad
Black Panther IS one of those, though, a Captain America overall combatant with considerably better tech.

It doesn't seem out of the realm to me that he might be capable of doing something like that (okay, it's a very bad showing for Surfer, but given the things we HAVE seen him affected by, it's not out of the realm).

I dont know how u can use a few out of context low feats as evidence to support the validity of another low feat.Most of the low feats surfer does have are not even applicable to this new and improved version. It is like trying to use superman getting knocked out by an exploding gas station to justify him being koed by a tank. Further there is a rule on KMC against using purely low feats to debate a character so i dont know why u keep dwelling on it.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
I dont know how u can use a few out of context low feats as evidence to support the validity of another low feat.Most of the low feats surfer does have are not even applicable to this new and improved version. It is like trying to use superman getting knocked out by an exploding gas station to justify him being koed by a tank. Further there is a rule on KMC against using purely low feats to debate a character so i dont know why u keep dwelling on it.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Surfer was never amped. His power levels are the same.

Current Surfers power levels are way higher than they were when he was depowered on earth. WAY HIGHER. Even before galactus annihalation amp he was still portrayed far stronger than when he was depowered on earth. That is common knowledge. 🙂

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Current Surfers power levels are way higher than they were when he was depowered on earth. WAY HIGHER. Even before galactus annihalation amp he was still portrayed far stronger than when he was depowered on earth. That is common knowledge. 🙂

Originally posted by Priest
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Great feat for Sentry, problem is MM's TP has nothing to do with magic. I say this could go either way, but Marvel has the slight edge more versatility overall.

Originally posted by fangirl101
No. What is common is that His mental restraints and passion has been released. It would be no different than Superman releasing all of his restraint.

Sigh. Try to follow this time. Current silver surfers power level is much much higher than it was depowered on earth. While still restricted to earth, the silver surfer was depowered and not nearly as powerful as what it was when he was galactus' herald. Then when SS left earth he became more powerful. So, low feats from a depowered surfer are completely irrelevant. Further post annihalation surfer has become more ruthless and is hence using even MORE power than he was before annihalation.

In Dos, Superman went all out against doomsday and released all his restraints. Superman then, however even with all his restraints released is nowhere as powerful as current superman. Hence nobody uses feats from that era.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Sigh. Try to follow this time. [B]Current silver surfers power level is much much higher than it was depowered on earth. While still restricted to earth, the silver surfer was depowered and not nearly as powerful as what it was when he was galactus' herald. Then when SS left earth he became more powerful. So, low feats from a depowered surfer are completely irrelevant. Further post annihalation surfer has become more ruthless and is hence using even MORE power than he was before annihalation.

In Dos, Superman went all out against doomsday and released all his restraints. Superman then, however even with all his restraints released is nowhere as powerful as current superman. Hence nobody uses feats from that era. [/B]

Originally posted by fangirl101
Feats from the Superman era were RETCONNED. That is why no one uses them. Surfer doesn't use more power than before. He uses the same amount of power he's always had. Just in a more ruthless and effective manner. I'm not even talking about his earth bound days. I could care less. It is no different than Lightray creating a super sun while in his calm states, and then going mad and using his full potential. Same power, just a different mindset.

What i was doing was drawing a contrast between him now and his earth bound days. Hence the reason i said those feats were irrelevant. After he left earth he became much more powerful so his low earth bound feats cannot be used as evidence. And yes surfer was upgraded by galactus during annihilation. Galactus gave him new power and the will to do what must be done but left his remorse. Hence surfer has since displayed a higher power level than before as seen in his feats.. He matches thanos' power level at the end of annhilation, He was able to take multiple blasts and shots from tenebrous and aegis without being koed( Note he was previously one shotted by odin), He was also able to channel the crunch energies which galactus admitted would be hard for even him to do. Also in the nova series, he was able to shield at least hundreds of thousands of ships that were in a totally different location on a molecular level from galactus' electromagnetic distortion just by blinking, hence displaying an improved level of energy/molecular manip.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Feats from the Superman era were RETCONNED. That is why no one uses them. Surfer doesn't use more power than before. He uses the same amount of power he's always had. Just in a more ruthless and effective manner. I'm not even talking about his earth bound days. I could care less. It is no different than Lightray creating a super sun while in his calm states, and then going mad and using his full potential. Same power, just a different mindset.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
What i was doing was drawing a contrast between him now and his earth bound days. Hence the reason i said those feats were irrelevant. After he left earth he became much more powerful so his low earth bound feats cannot be used as evidence. And yes surfer was upgraded by galactus during annihilation. Galactus gave him new power and the will to do what must be done but left his remorse. Hence surfer has since displayed a higher power level than before as seen in his feats.. He matches thanos' power level at the end of annhilation, He was able to take multiple blasts and shots from tenebrous and aegis without being koed( Note he was previously one shotted by odin), He was also able to channel the crunch energies which galactus admitted would be hard for even him to do. Also in the nova series, he was able to shield at least hundreds of thousands of ships that were in a totally different location on a molecular level from galactus' electromagnetic distortion just by blinking, hence displaying an improved level of energy/molecular manip.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
are you sure you're not thinking of surfer from exiles?

Originally posted by fangirl101
I always assumed he was that powerful anyway. Hence why he was able to defeat the black body. His own restraints and fallibility was the reason he would do so poorly against Thanos. As for the DC guys, Everything comes from Superman. So as He grows in power, so does everyone else in comparison just to keep up. Keep in mind that his PC days of being part of Legion is back in continuity. So what does this do to everyone elses power levels in comparison?

Surfers unilord feat is impressive no doubt but the focus is on him consistently displaying a higher power level than how he was generally portrayed before annihilation. Also against thanos surfer almost NEVER restrains him self cuz he knows how dangerous he is. As for superman, he is still NOT operating at anythin close to his pre crisis levels.

Though this thread has WAY too many characters to pull off any type of easy answer for it.

Supes vs...

Gladiator= Supes
Sentry= Supes
Thor= Supes
Quasar= Supes
Surfer= Either way.
Blackbolt= Supes
Beta ray Bill= Supes

Insane LightRay vs...

Gladiator= Gladiator
Sentry= Sentry
Thor= Thor
Quasar= LightRay
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Lightray
Beta ray Bill= BRB

Orion w/MB and AF vs...

Gladiator= Orion
Sentry= Orion
Thor= Either way.
Quasar= Orion
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Orion
Beta ray Bill= Orion

Hal Jordan vs...

Gladiator= Hal
Sentry= Hal
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Hal
Silver Surfer= Either way.
Black Bolt= Hal
Beta ray Bill= Hal

Firestorm vs...

Gladiator= Glads
Sentry= Sentry
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Firestorm
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Blackbolt
Beta ray Bill= Beta Ray Bill

Martian Manhunter vs...

Gladiator= Manhunter
Sentry= Sentry
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Quasar
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Manhunter
Beta Ray Bill= BRB

Black Adam vs...

Gladiator= Black Adam
Sentry= Black Adam
Thor= Black Adam
Quasar= Black Adam
Silver Surfer= Black Adam
Black Bolt= Black Adam
Beta ray Bill= Black Adam

Totals

Not counting the "ties."
28 wins Team DC
18 wins Team Marvel

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
With Sups on the team, Marvel just can't loose.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Surfers unilord feat is impressive no doubt but the focus is on him consistently displaying a higher power level than how he was generally portrayed before annihilation. Also against thanos surfer almost NEVER restrains him self cuz he knows how dangerous he is. As for superman, he is still NOT operating at anythin close to his pre crisis levels.

he's not pre-crisis level, that's for sure.

and you have to take context into account fangirl, a lot of earth-2 superman feats are either debilitating for him or he was getting extra power/help to accomplish. solar energy in over abundance isn't good for his health.

When did Earth 2 Superman get into this thread? Did you mean New Earth?

Originally posted by Avlon
When did Earth 2 Superman get into this thread? Did you mean New Earth?

regardless, pre-crisis superman and all his feats are out of the question for this superman. just look at sbp and his own spree, and he would get shit stopped by pre-crisis superman.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
oh, sorry bro. whatever earth regular superman hails from.

regardless, pre-crisis superman and all his feats are out of the question for this superman. just look at sbp and his own spree, and he would get shit stopped by pre-crisis superman.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
oh, sorry bro. whatever earth regular superman hails from.

regardless, pre-crisis superman and all his feats are out of the question for this superman. just look at sbp and his own spree, and he would get shit stopped by pre-crisis superman.

No problem. New Earth is standard Supes. As for a Superman who's health may suffer from solar overexposure, you may be thinking of All Star Superman, who just seemed to get over that huddle recently as well.

As for pc supes. I tend to take any comic feat from the era (be it DC or Marvel) with a grain of salt. Things were just not as serious back then, and suspension of disbelief was a lot more tolerant in those days. Crisis or not, you won't see a lot of characters now pulling off the things they did effortlessly back in those days.