The joker vs hannibal lecter
The joker about whom i refer is the antagonist from the move :The Dark Knight versus hannibal lecter.
both are clever and have taken many lives in thier respective fields. given thier twisted nature i have 3 levels i want to measure from each of them.
1) who is more morally depraved?
2) who is more clever/ ingenious?
3) who wins in a fight ( weapons tactics and all)?
Originally posted by Placidity
I find cannibalism more "morally depraved". Joker just kills people with more "normal" ways. Eating someone else is just more f'ed up IMO.BTW, he also cut open someone's skull while leaving them alive in Hannibal.
Actually, I believe the Joker can do all acts that Hannibal does... but won't because it won't be 'fun' or 'funny'.
1) I will say Hannibal, because he eats people. I wouldn't consider liking fine wine and Beethoven redeeming qualities for someone like that. At least The Joker has no alter-ego: he's not a mild-mannered shrink by day and a nutcase by night. He's always the Joker.
2)That's a hard call. I will say the Joker. He reminds me of the Emperor from Star Wars; he's a master manipulator of people and at highly complex schemes. Hannibal is more lowkey, and avoids the limelight, and he likes it that way. They're both highly intelligent like most serial killers, but I think Hannibal is the smarter of the two. The Joker always has to be a showman and I think that compromises some of his craftiness.
3) Whether a knife fight or a gun fight, I think the Joker would win. Hannibal is a predator and a torturer, but he's no warrior.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
1) I will say Hannibal, because he eats people. I wouldn't consider liking fine wine and Beethoven redeeming qualities for someone like that. At least The Joker has no alter-ego: he's not a mild-mannered shrink by day and a nutcase by night. He's always the Joker.2)That's a hard call. I will say the Joker. He reminds me of the Emperor from Star Wars; he's a master manipulator of people and at highly complex schemes. Hannibal is more lowkey, and avoids the limelight, and he likes it that way. They're both highly intelligent like most serial killers, but I think Hannibal is the smarter of the two. The Joker always has to be a showman and I think that compromises some of his craftiness.
3) Whether a knife fight or a gun fight, I think the Joker would win. Hannibal is a predator and a torturer, but he's no warrior.
Well said.
1) Hannibal - only slightly, he's a cannibal and he feeds someone sauteed pieces of their own brain. Gets people to mangle themselves etc.
2) Hannibal - very similar to the joker, but he seems to be better at mind-****ing, again, if only slightly. Not solid on this one though.
3) Joker - he has shown better fighting prowess, from the pencil scene to taking the cop in the interrogation cell hostage.
Edit: That would be an interesting scene, having the Batman go to Hannibal for information, only to be psychoanalized and mind-****ed by him.
*Hannibal voice* "Was your father never there Batman, a shadow of a figure in your life? Did he sodomize you? Do tell."
But the question was who is more morally depraved. Lecter has morals and standards, despite being a cannibal. The Joker has none. So while we can all agree that eating another human being's body parts is more repungnant to us than anything we've seen the Joker do, I think the overall scale is still tipped in the Joker's favor. That is a reasoned opinion, not just me being an annoying fan of the Dark Knight.
Originally posted by Devil King
But the question was who is more morally depraved. Lecter has morals and standards, despite being a cannibal. The Joker has none. So while we can all agree that eating another human being's body parts is more repungnant to us than anything we've seen the Joker do, I think the overall scale is still tipped in the Joker's favor. That is a reasoned opinion, not just me being an annoying fan of the Dark Knight.
You do bring up a valid point with Lector having morals and standards and I'm inclined to agree with you now. But how do we know that that Joker absolutely doesn't have his own code, as Hannibal?
Granted, he had no qualms over blowing up a boat filled with men, women and children, but are you certain he wouldn't help an elderly lady cross the street or give a homeless man a dollar?