The joker vs hannibal lecter

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
I can see why you would give Lecter the 'smarts' contests, but the actual fighting one? What makes you say that?

I was assuming that this was a bout between the two during their Prime. We have never seen the Joker display any kind of exceptional fighting ability or knowledge. Hannibal Rising did a lot to portray Hannibal as a calm calculating killer that knows how to wield a sword. Hannibal is also extensively trained in the physiology of humans. He has often applied his awareness of the human body to his killings and torturings. combined with that knowledge and his skill with a sword, i think it would be a devastating combo.

The Joker has displayed the ability to actually defeat people (TRAINED people) in straight-up combat; remember the cop in the interrogation scene? The Joker pisses him off, and the next time we see the cop, he has his arm twisted behind his back and a knife to his throat. He also quickly and easily (displaying amazing reflexes) twisted a mobster's hand behind his back and slammed him, so the pencil on the table jams percisely into his eye and into his skull.

He also held off Batman in one on one combat. I'd love to see Hannibal, with any sort of advantage, do that.

Originally posted by Robtard
*Hannibal voice* "Was your father never there Batman, a shadow of a figure in your life? Did he sodomize you? Do tell."

Freakin' brilliant. I was thinking along similar lines, except your quote hit the nail right on the head.

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ragesRemorse...

He has often applied his awareness of the human body to his killings and torturings. combined with that knowledge and his skill with a sword, i think it would be a devastating combo.

Agree. A LOT.

Batman would just punch him. >_>

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Batman would just punch him. >_>

And punch him hard.

Why is Lecter automatically smarter than Joker?

In terms of knowledge, sure, Lecter may be superior.

But in terms of planning, and scheming, Joker was superior IMO.

Due to that I say they are about equal.

Just about.

What about physically? Can someone tell me if Hannibal is just as much of a fighter as TDK Joker? It's been a little bit since I've watched the movies.

Old Hannibal? No, I doubt it.

Young Hannibal however was a competant swordsman and was physically fairly fit.

Oh yeah, I know, I saw that movie last year and remember it, but I was referring to the older Hannibal. Young Hannibal, in a fist fight, would give the Joker a run for his money, but the Joker still has a small advantage since he doesn't give a damn about pain. Old Hannibal has probably lost most of those skills and would lose quicker than his younger self.

Sound about right?

Originally posted by Master Crimzon

He also held off Batman in one on one combat. I'd love to see Hannibal, with any sort of advantage, do that.

im sure hannibal lecter could

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
im sure hannibal lecter could

I'm not.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The Joker isn't anywhere near as smart.

-AC

He may or may not be. But I believe that was not the question. Lecter hasn't really shown the elaborate planning and plotting that Joker has.

Plus, the Joker overpowered Batman at the end. The only reason Batsy was able to hit him with the batarangs and toss him over was because he was distracted. But before then he was holding that ledge or whatever down on him with ease.

There are many forms of being smart. There are many ways to think and use intelligence. While Lecter has the lead in some ways, the Joker has the lead in other ways. My point: They are both smart in different ways.

Nicely put.

But yeah. Young Lecter could, I'm sure, give TDK Joker an excellent fight and possibly win somewhere between 4 to 5 times out of 10, but old Lecter doesn't stand a chance in hell.

Originally posted by Bardock42
He may or may not be. But I believe that was not the question. Lecter hasn't really shown the elaborate planning and plotting that Joker has.

"Do I look like a guy with a plan?".

He doesn't plan things, he just happens to make the best of whatever chaos he brings about. Organised chaos is not like having a plan.

-AC

His actions betray his words though. One example would be the boat scene, he planned on one boat blowing away the other, he also planned ahead by carrying a detonator that would blow both in case they didn't. That wasn't random.

Yeah, the Joker was pretty much lying to Harvey about that, or so it would seem...

Or maybe we just shouldn't try to understand him. He's wierd.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"Do I look like a guy with a plan?".

He doesn't plan things, he just happens to make the best of whatever chaos he brings about. Organised chaos is not like having a plan.

-AC

His plan was to convert Harvey. He was pushing his buttons. Joker do have a plan, he just does not admit it to the person involved in it.

1.) probably the Joker. He's goddamned ruthless. He is the kind that will shoot your head if he doens't like your clothes or your hair. or if you are playing a game and he doesn't like it, he will kill you. He doens't give a heck about life. He will just kill or destroy to satisfy himself..or will he be ever satisfied. Lector's pretty ****ing crazy with the way he kills his victim. But he still acts like a doc in the morning..so yeah. BTW, Joker will blow him self up with his enemy if he thinks he needs to.

2.) As far as being clever, I still give that to Joker. You saw how he planned to be caught and escape. THat's pretty smart. Lector's also fuking smart, but broadcasting your self to the media and not getting caught is different.

3.) You shouldn't have asked...
Joker is one of the very few Batman's human enemy that can withstand hand to hand combat with him for quite a time. Joker is also master of bombs, chemicals, engineering, and guns. Lector's good with the swords, but he is no match for Joker. Joker's tatics to destroy hospitals, crash into parties, getting caught and blowing up...Joker just has too much for Lector.