Originally posted by -K-M-"Superhuman Strength: Sabretooth possessed superhuman strength that has been artificially augmented on a number of occassions over the years. Initially, he possessed sufficient strength to lift about 900 lbs, slightly greater than the maximum amount an ordinary human is capable of lifting. However, after being captured and augmented the first time by his son, Graydon Creed, his strength was increased to the point where he could lift about 10 tons. He also underwent various augmentation procedures at the hands of the latest incarnation of the Weapon X Program, including some to both his strength and healing factor. While the full limits of his strength weren't revealed, the upper limit was no more than 25 tons."
No where is it stated he is class 10 (or class 15 as you said earlier), I'm asking you to prove he is. Simple enough
http://en.marveldatabase.com/Victor_Creed_(Earth-616)
Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah I love how you just dismiss any evidence I bring up yet fail to show any evidence of your own 🙄how do you think they got those figures of 10 tons, 25 tons, etc...oh yeah, its wiki, so they prob just pulled it outta their behind 🙄
Evidence? your using websites rather then actual comics. Websites which are known to be inaccuate. Hell even I have edited out inaccuracies on that site 😬
I do know as in the Wolverine handbook 2004, Sabretooth has an entry and he has 4/7 in strength which means he can press somewhere in the range of 800 lbs-25 tons. Now in the same entry not once did they mention class 10 strength or him even being close to class 25 for all we know he could be 800lbs-2tons like he was listed in other entries. Now if he did he still would fall in the 800lbs-25 tons section. So like I said where did THEY get that info?
Originally posted by -K-M-no, I haven't
Never seen "strongmen" (I'm talking about in real life) bend steel bars before? Even Mark Henry on TV bent a 1-2" thick steel pipe. Now it depends on what type of metal the dumbbell is
but Creed didn't just 'bend' the bar...he twisted it into knots as if it were made out of rubber
Originally posted by Starscream M
no, I haven'tbut Creed didn't just 'bend' the bar...he twisted it into knots as if it were made out of rubber
and you don't get it, if a normal human can bend a steel bar (depends on thickness and guage) why would you need to be class 10 to do something like that? Even a 1-ton press and I'm talking about a small portable one can bend a bar with no trouble (depending on the steel being used). So no you don't need class 10 strength to do that feat. Superhuman yes, but not class 10
Originally posted by -K-M-so are you saying if someone couldn't provide evidence that Superman can lift over 100 tons, they can't make that claim...even though it is common knowledge?
He's most definetly superhuman, he even very well could be around class 10 but the thing is I asked YOU to back up the claim as you made it.
Originally posted by Starscream M
so are you saying if someone couldn't provide evidence that Superman can lift over 100 tons, they can't make that claim...even though it is common knowledge?
How it is common knowledge again? and if it's common knowledge then you would have NO problem backing it up. Get it?
Also Superman has many class 100 feats so bad example
Originally posted by -K-M-dood ask anyone on KMC with any knowledge of Sabretooth, no one will disagree that Sabes is CL10 at least
How it is common knowledge again? and if it's common knowledge then you would have NO problem backing it up. Get it?Also Superman has many class 100 feats so bad example
Originally posted by Starscream M
dood ask anyone on KMC with any knowledge of Sabretooth, no one will disagree that Sabes is CL10 at least
Prove it, that's all I'm asking. You said it's common knowledge so it would be easy to prove. I'm not even trying to be a prick anymore, this is actually meant now to help you become a better debator.
Originally posted by -K-M-
He's using faulty logic about a story he himself didn't read, and using an arguement such as Sabretooth has every advantage (which he doesn't) so thus he wins and even using things as wikipedia as evidence.
Except Walter jumped in the air and Sabretooth slashed him, wowza great exchange. Right after Walter threw a snowball at him and then proceeded to hit him in the face a few times.He threw a friggin snowball 😬, I don't think you understand what is biased, as me being biased would be talking about how Sabretooth attacked Walter from behind and not mention the snowball at all. That's bias.
That's not faulty whatsoever. Nor is it entirely unsupported by comics... so fail on your behalf on both counts. I must have missed the post where he stated Sabretooth had better "everything"... The only logical flaw I find is his argument towards durability but that's nothing more than a misapplication.
Sas and Sabes only had one fair exchange between them... Sabretooth drew blood and dodged Sasuatches attack... Sasquatch got cut up while attacking, missed, and ended up on the ground...
is it supposed to be UBERZ impressive? No... but it more than validates claims that Sabretooth may be faster and better fighter than Walter is.
You're being bias by claiming that Sas was winning without explaining how... who cares if it was a snowball or a sneak attack... they only had ONE FAIR EXCHANGE and in that exchange the COMIC EVIDENCE supports Starscream... not you.. so you can't really claim otherwise... you did.. that's bias.
Originally posted by -K-M-Like what?
You took things out of context in your respect thread, such as the Mauvais fight concerning Snowbird.
Originally posted by -K-M-
How did I ignore context? I even posted the entire fights in all it;s entirity in the Sasquatch respect thread. Nothing was taken out of context and the Sasquatch/Wolverine scans have been posted many a times on this board hence "we all know how Wolverine faired against Sas"
Originally posted by -K-M-
No, because it has been stated in several issues she personally killed Wolverine herself. She even in the same issue said she could do it again
No his death was confirmed
No Wild Man ie. Wolverine was confirmed dead and we see her holding his dead body.
No again because as noted he was in a blind berserker rage thanks to that chip
No, because as noted the first and only time she Tanaraq'ed out as noted by Tanaraq was when Kulan Gath casted that spell to bring him forth
Still.. too ambiguous with NO CONTEXT to show what happened during the fight...
Originally posted by -K-M-
Because as mentioned she didn't know what to do, and didn't want to have to kill her husband again. That's ignoring context 😬
She didn't know what to do? She was enraged while her and Logan were in combat.. she lost... she ran away... it's the only time they've fought on panel where Logan was fighting back.. you can't say Sasquatch>Logan in a fight when that kind of evidence DOES NOT EXIST.
Originally posted by -K-M-Wolverine's claws are a foot long, Sabretooth's claws are typically supposed to be 6 inches.. he's a huge man.
Haha are you kidding me? You seriously believe Rogue is just as strong as Sasquatch?....wow, simply wowYou don't seem to get it, biggers claws can make up more damage. Wolverine can sink in his claws in deeper like a sword (Wolverine's claws are 17.8"😉, while Sabretooth can basically just "claw" at with his nails which are maybe 1-2". Also Walter's reach is drastically superior to Wolverine's or Sabretooth's so not sure what point your trying to make.
And as of late Sabretooth and Wolverine's strength are very comparable as shown in their recent fights
Sabretooth's ripped a generator out of the ground the common weight for these is circa ten tons.
He's ripped a massive computer out of the war room floor in the X-mansion and tossed it dunno how heavy it was.
He's held a massive blast door over his head with one hand.
He overpowered a field generator that was supposed to stop a ramapaging full grown elephant, large full grown elephants can typically pull weights up to 15 tons so one can imagine how much force is behind a full on charge.