Sabertooth vs Sasquatch

Originally posted by jinzin
Sabretooth's ripped a generator out of the ground the common weight for these is circa ten tons.

He's ripped a massive computer out of the war room floor in the X-mansion and tossed it dunno how heavy it was.

He's held a massive blast door over his head with one hand.

He overpowered a field generator that was supposed to stop a ramapaging full grown elephant, large full grown elephants can typically pull weights up to 15 tons so one can imagine how much force is behind a full on charge.

Originally posted by Starscream M
sabe's cl10 power demonstrated

The very early Beast used to be able to bend steel bars back when he was around class 2-3. Just saying.

Originally posted by jinzin
Faulty logic?
He thinks Sabretooth is superior in speed, fighting ability, durability, and HF.....

That's not faulty whatsoever. Nor is it entirely unsupported by comics... so fail on your behalf on both counts. I must have missed the post where he stated Sabretooth had better "everything"... The only logical flaw I find is his argument towards durability but that's nothing more than a misapplication.

Sas and Sabes only had one fair exchange between them... Sabretooth drew blood and dodged Sasuatches attack... Sasquatch got cut up while attacking, missed, and ended up on the ground...
is it supposed to be UBERZ impressive? No... but it more than validates claims that Sabretooth may be faster and better fighter than Walter is.

You're being bias by claiming that Sas was winning without explaining how... who cares if it was a snowball or a sneak attack... they only had ONE FAIR EXCHANGE and in that exchange the COMIC EVIDENCE supports Starscream... not you.. so you can't really claim otherwise... you did.. that's bias.

Sweet, now did I argue those? But he still said Sabretooth had ALL advantages when he doesn't. Your kinda missing the point 😬

He did say it multiple times sans strength.

He dodges Walter's attack as he was in AIR, which is very easy to do as a person without the ability to fly can't change their direction in mid-air. It's the exact same situation with Captain America when he dodged Quicksilver, or when Iron Fist dodged Sentry. The other people are faster, but they were dodged does that make Captain America faster then Quicksilver. Look at Flash's rogues. So no it doesn't validate anything 😬

Ummm...what? Seriously? So I didn't mention the snowball feat that makes me bias? Even though I didn't even mention how Sabretooth fought dirty himself? Seriously? Your calling me biased? Lulz, I left it ambiguous as anyone can fight dirty in a fight and both tactics could easily be repeated.

Originally posted by jinzin

Like what?

You mentioned Wolverine did better then Sasquatch and Snowbird even in Wendigo form but neglected to mention Snowbird was weakened and nearly dying and Walter really only fought him for like a second.

Originally posted by jinzin

I think it's fairly obvious how you're ignoring context if you're trying to make an argument that states Sasquatch>Wolverine when they've never had a legit fight 616. 😐

Sweet, now where did I make that claim?

Originally posted by jinzin

She killed him herself.. after he fought loads of other supers? While he was distracted? With a sneak attack? You don't know.
Ah I forgot about that scan of her holding him fair enough to that point.
Did the chip fail? Did Wolverine have a moment of weakness anyways? Yeah you don't know.
Fair enough to the Tanaraq point then.

Still.. too ambiguous with NO CONTEXT to show what happened during the fight...

No it personally said she did it, and even in the issue where she fought Wolverine with Morph she even said she could still do it again. So if she could do it again do you seriously believe she had help? as she was pretty sure she could do it again even in her own words.

But your using the example of her when she fought Wolverine when she was clearly emotional distraught about it as a guage of a serious fight between the two. Why? 😬

Originally posted by jinzin

She didn't know what to do? She was enraged while her and Logan were in combat.. she lost... she ran away... it's the only time they've fought on panel where Logan was fighting back.. you can't say Sasquatch>Logan in a fight when that kind of evidence DOES NOT EXIST.

She was enraged? What? and no in the same issue it even talks about how Heather is emotionally distraught about having to fight and kill her husband...again. This was stated, and even in the last page she is grateful she got teleported away as she didn't want to have to do it again. She even talks about it issues later about how it was hard for her emotionally. That's a HUGE thing of context your ignoring.

Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine's claws are a foot long, Sabretooth's claws are typically supposed to be 6 inches.. he's a huge man.

The Wolverine's claw measurement actually came from the comics and a marvel directory. Also yeah I suppose it depends on the artist as at times he doesn't have as big as nails. Sabretooth is like 6'6" I think?

Originally posted by jinzin
Sabretooth's ripped a generator out of the ground the common weight for these is circa ten tons.

He's ripped a massive computer out of the war room floor in the X-mansion and tossed it dunno how heavy it was.

He's held a massive blast door over his head with one hand.

He overpowered a field generator that was supposed to stop a ramapaging full grown elephant, large full grown elephants can typically pull weights up to 15 tons so one can imagine how much force is behind a full on charge.

Aye aye I know, hence why I think he is class 10. You missed the point

Originally posted by Metalmanx
The very early Beast used to be able to bend steel bars back when he was around class 2-3. Just saying.

Yeah that's not a class 10 feat.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Sweet, now did I argue those? But he still said Sabretooth had ALL advantages when he doesn't. Your kinda missing the point 😬

He did say it multiple times sans strength.

Contradictions much?
"He said he has all the advantages..... well he said he has all the advantages sans strength"

Again I must have missed the part where he said Sabes has "all" the advantages....

He may have said every advantage sans strength but that was well after the post that I responded to and not completely without merit anyway. 😐

Originally posted by -K-M-
He dodges Walter's attack as he was in AIR, which is very easy to do as a person without the ability to fly can't change their direction in mid-air. It's the exact same situation with Captain America when he dodged Quicksilver, or when Iron Fist dodged Sentry. The other people are faster, but they were dodged does that make Captain America faster then Quicksilver. Look at Flash's rogues. So no it doesn't validate anything 😬

Originally posted by -K-M-
Ummm...what? Seriously? So I didn't mention the snowball feat that makes me bias?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Even though I didn't even mention how Sabretooth fought dirty himself? Seriously? Your calling me biased? Lulz, I left it ambiguous as anyone can fight dirty in a fight and both tactics could easily be repeated.

Originally posted by -K-M-
You mentioned Wolverine did better then Sasquatch and Snowbird even in Wendigo form but neglected to mention Snowbird was weakened and nearly dying and Walter really only fought him for like a second.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Sweet, now where did I make that claim?

When you tried to invalidate his Wolverine point by stating "And we all know how Wolverine faired".... it's the implication... 😐

Originally posted by -K-M-
No it personally said she did it,

Originally posted by -K-M-
and even in the issue where she fought Wolverine with Morph she even said she could still do it again.

What she SAID doesn't take precedence over what she DID.... and what she DID was lose to Wolverine and get sent running even though Morph was there to back her up.

Originally posted by -K-M-
So if she could do it again do you seriously believe she had help?

What aweful, aweful, aweful logic...

So what she THINKS she can do takes precedence over what we've seen ON PANEL huh?

I guess Wolverine really CAN take the Hulk... 😐

Originally posted by -K-M-
as she was pretty sure she could do it again even in her own words.

Originally posted by -K-M-
But your using the example of her when she fought Wolverine when she was clearly emotional distraught about it as a guage of a serious fight between the two. Why? 😬

Originally posted by -K-M-
She was enraged? What?

Originally posted by -K-M-
and no in the same issue it even talks about how Heather is emotionally distraught about having to fight and kill her husband...again.

Originally posted by -K-M-
This was stated, and even in the last page she is grateful she got teleported away as she didn't want to have to do it again. She even talks about it issues later about how it was hard for her emotionally. That's a HUGE thing of context your ignoring.

Originally posted by -K-M-
he Wolverine's claw measurement actually came from the comics and a marvel directory. Also yeah I suppose it depends on the artist as at times he doesn't have as big as nails. Sabretooth is like 6'6" I think?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Aye aye I know, hence why I think he is class 10. You missed the point

Originally posted by jinzin
Contradictions much?
"He said he has all the advantages..... well he said he has all the advantages sans strength"

Again I must have missed the part where he said Sabes has "all" the advantages....

He may have said every advantage sans strength but that was well after the post that I responded to and not completely without merit anyway. 😐

Contradiction much? Uuuuuh..I even said multiple times in the thread Starscream said every advantage sans strength. Read the thread

What? No he said it before you even posted. He even said no joke he would shrug off Sasquatch strikes as he did it with Ms.Marvel and Rogue, as Sasquatch is ABIT stronger then classic Rogue and Ms.Marvel. Seriously read his posts.

Originally posted by jinzin

When streets dodge speedsters, they usually do it while they're being attacked with a linear attack that starts from a distance.
Wasn't the case with Sas and Sabretooth. Sas attacked from a short distance and he nearly got gutted. I can't believe you're going to argue that it doesn't show Sabretooth as superior in anything there... 🤨

That's not what happened with Iron Fist and Sentry as they were very close together and the same with Captain America and Quicksilver. Also read Flash comics. I can't believe your calling me biased when that little thing doesn't show anything for anyone when characters who are faster then a oppoent they lunged at got fooled. Seriously look at the mirror before you call anyone biased 😬

Originally posted by jinzin

If you're going to sit there and tell Starscream his opinion is invalid because of the results of that fight (after he resorted to cheating)? YES.

Ummm...what? Did you even read what I have wrote? Like seriously?

Originally posted by jinzin

Yeah, but you don't see anyone arguing that Sabretooth is > Sasquatch because he hit him from behind... You on the other hand.

I did, prove it? Seriously you keep missing the point

Originally posted by jinzin

And got owned.. and I don't remember it being stated anywhere that she was weakened and dying..I remember that being your speculation... On panel evidence?

It says it in the very next page from the scan you posted. Literally it says it and Snowbird even mentions she is greatly weakened as her connection to the Gods was cut off. It was directly said multiple times 😬

1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Wolverine172-08.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Wolverine172-11.jpg

Originally posted by jinzin

When you tried to invalidate his Wolverine point by stating "And we all know how Wolverine faired".... it's the implication... 😐

and you missed the point.

Originally posted by jinzin

Under what circumstances? You don't know.. that's the point.

Properly wasn't much to it, as she was still sure she could do it again and was happy she didn't have to do it again as noted thanks to be teleported.

Originally posted by jinzin

HYPORBOLE.....
Deadpool says he's the worlds greatest lover.
Wolverine says he's the best there is.
Sabretooth thought he could beat Thor.

What she SAID doesn't take precedence over what she DID.... and what she DID was lose to Wolverine and get sent running even though Morph was there to back her up.

😂

Again lulz, as noted and noted in multiple issues she killed her husband ie. Wolverine before. Hence why she felt she had grounds she could do it again. Seriously your calling me biased? This is silly.

Originally posted by jinzin

What aweful, aweful, aweful logic...

So what she THINKS she can do takes precedence over what we've seen ON PANEL huh?

I guess Wolverine really CAN take the Hulk... 😐

Lulz, yeah let's ignore the fact SHE DID it before, and mentioned even after this fight to Morph and her fellow Exiles how it was hard she had to kill her first husband. So

Originally posted by jinzin

It was a full of shit statement seeing how she tried and LOST....

She tried to kill him there? No. She even tried to calm him down, so maybe you should reread the issue

Originally posted by jinzin

BULLSHIT... there was NO emotional distraughtment when she started pounding into him... you're full of it.

Lulz, except if you ignore the part she talks to Morph about it being hard.

Originally posted by jinzin

YES>>>>

Growling is enraged? Holy mother I guess Walter, Batman (even did a scream like that), Wolverine is enraged at all times. Even in the next page she was pretty cool and calm. So no she wasn't enraged at all

Originally posted by jinzin
She said that AFTER the fight.. when she speculated that she'd be able to beat Wolverine again.. NOT DURING THE FIGHT SHE LOST.

Yeah the part where she was emotionally upset about having to do again.

Originally posted by jinzin

She talks about how killing him before was hard, how having to do it again would have been.. Not anything about that particular fight that I can recall...

Later on she talks to Morph issues later about the fight, and she mentions how emotionally how it was hard. However, in the issue it mentioned it was hard for her as well.

Originally posted by jinzin

I'll have to meander around for a measurement but I thought it had been stated somewhere.

Everything changes in comics, but 100% that was the measurement I got. I think they even mention the same measurement in the old handbooks as Wolverine's claws got a section. In the Marvel Cards (silly I know) list him with that measurement as well.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Contradiction much? Uuuuuh..I even said multiple times in the thread Starscream said every advantage sans strength. Read the thread

Originally posted by -K-M-
What? No he said it before you even posted. He even said no joke he would shrug off Sasquatch strikes as he did it with Ms.Marvel and Rogue, as Sasquatch is ABIT stronger then classic Rogue and Ms.Marvel. Seriously read his posts.

Originally posted by -K-M-
That's not what happened with Iron Fist and Sentry as they were very close together and the same with Captain America and Quicksilver. Also read Flash comics. I can't believe your calling me biased when that little thing doesn't show anything for anyone when characters who are faster then a oppoent they lunged at got fooled. Seriously look at the mirror before you call anyone biased 😬

Originally posted by -K-M-
Ummm...what? Did you even read what I have wrote? Like seriously?
I did, prove it? Seriously you keep missing the point

Originally posted by -K-M-
It says it in the very next page from the scan you posted. Literally it says it and Snowbird even mentions she is greatly weakened as her connection to the Gods was cut off. It was directly said multiple times 😬

1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Wolverine172-08.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Wolverine172-11.jpg

Originally posted by -K-M-
and you missed the point.

Starscream posts Sabretooth's advantages your response? "tell that to Wolverine or better yet Sabretooth"

Starscream posts Sabretooth>Wolverine, your response? "And we all know how Wolverine faired"

Starscream posts his opinion that Sabretooth is faster, your response? "He's tagged Wolverine and Sabretooth with ease" (ignoring ALL of those occassions as being cheap shots and not indicative of speed.. AT ALL. 😐

So if your point wasn't that Sas>these characters.. than what was it?
Wait.. do you hear that? Sounds like..... I know that sound anywhere! It's BACKPEDDLING! 😱

Originally posted by -K-M-
Properly wasn't much to it, as she was still sure she could do it again and was happy she didn't have to do it again as noted thanks to be teleported.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Again lulz, as noted and noted in multiple issues she killed her husband ie. Wolverine before. Hence why she felt she had grounds she could do it again. Seriously your calling me biased? This is silly.

Yes I'm calling you bias.. and yes this is silly since you don't understand why what she SAID doesn't take precedence over what she did... And what she did was FAIL.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Lulz, yeah let's ignore the fact SHE DID it before, and mentioned even after this fight to Morph and her fellow Exiles how it was hard she had to kill her first husband. So

Originally posted by -K-M-
She tried to kill him there? No. She even tried to calm him down, so maybe you should reread the issue

Yes. She tried to kill him. Maybe you should reread the comic, WITHOUT your Sasquatch blinders.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Lulz, except if you ignore the part she talks to Morph about it being hard.

About the premise of having to kill him again? Inconsequential.
About having killed him before? Inconsequential...

So yes, we'll ignore that as well since NEITHER OF THOSE HAD TO DO WITH THE FIGHT SHE ENGAGED IN AND WAS LOSING.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Growling is enraged? Holy mother I guess Walter, Batman (even did a scream like that), Wolverine is enraged at all times. Even in the next page she was pretty cool and calm. So no she wasn't enraged at all.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yeah the part where she was emotionally upset about having to do again.

Later on she talks to Morph issues later about the fight, and she mentions how emotionally how it was hard. However, in the issue it mentioned it was hard for her as well.

We already went over this.. She was talking about her incident before, and her speculation after she didn't reference the fight they had.

Epic!

Originally posted by jinzin
You've said several times EVERY ADVANTAGE PERIOD in the posts I've been responding to.. feel free to backtrack though.

How am I backtracking when I have even explained it multiple times earlier?

Originally posted by jinzin

Considering that he DID shrugg off Walts blows I don't see where that argument loses it's credability. 😐

Lulz so you think Sasquatch is only ABIT stronger then Rogue? Also he really didn't he even was on the ground, and don't say he was smiling that makes it ok. As even when MMA fighters get hit and smile it means they have been hurt.

Originally posted by jinzin

hmmmm nope.. you're still bias... I realize that when characters benefit from the Mungi love all the sudden the wrecking crew's a legitimate threat to Thor and Herc, that Moonknight's resistant to Wolverine's claws, and that Sas>the World.. but if you think that panel didn't prove one thing between the two, then you're straight up delusional as well...
Could prove a number of things, that Sabretooth's faster, a better fighter, a better tactician, has better reflexes, etc etc... to say it doesn't prove anything when it at the very least proved that the one even sided exchange they've ever had with one another showed Sabretooth> Sasquatch is in a word ridiculous.

Wrecking Crew has always been a threat to Thor and Herc as shown, and MK did take Wolverine's claws as shown (even later it showed no damage to his armor), and where did I say Sasquatch > world as there are many MANY MANY threads where I have said Walter loses. There are many many many people Walter would lose to, but when I say he beats Sabretooth when even the majority of the thread agrees that somehow means I think Walter can take the world? So you can't counter that point so you try to attack my credibility?

Your telling me jumping at someone and missing proves all that? I guess Trickster is faster then the Flash after all or Iron Fist and Sentry. It's not even an exchange, it was a slash against Walter when he couldn't even alter his direction in mid-flight. Like are you serious?

Originally posted by jinzin

You're arguing that his points were flawed because Sasquatch "beat" Sabretooth even though you ignored him cheating... I don't need you to tell me this anyone with basic reasoning skills can figure it out.

Ignored? I didn't even mention how Sabretooth fought dirty or how he attacked him from beind. As I mentioned I left it vague as those tactics could be repeated, but apparently in your mind Walter's dirty tactic is the end of the world, but say nothing about Sabretooth. Walter used his smarts

Originally posted by jinzin

She didn't make one mention of it greatly affecting her while she was fighting Mauvous.
And what's Sasquatches excuse again?

Do you seriously need things spelled out for you? Mauvais ALREADY had the barrier blocking the Gods, Mauvais made the barrier stronger which made Snowbird weaker FURTHER. So with the barrier already up and running and blocking Snowbird's people you seriously believe she wasn't affected? Even though she says, "The connection to my people FURTHER weakened..as..am..I" saying she is being furthered weakened

Originally posted by jinzin

Um... no....
I read it loud and clear...

Starscream posts Sabretooth's advantages your response? "tell that to Wolverine or better yet Sabretooth"

Starscream posts Sabretooth>Wolverine, your response? "And we all know how Wolverine faired"

Starscream posts his opinion that Sabretooth is faster, your response? "He's tagged Wolverine and Sabretooth with ease" (ignoring ALL of those occassions as being cheap shots and not indicative of speed.. AT ALL. 😐

So if your point wasn't that Sas>these characters.. than what was it?
Wait.. do you hear that? Sounds like..... I know that sound anywhere! It's BACKPEDDLING! 😱

Correct, because Sasquatch has gotten the slip over Wolverine before and Walter pulled the same tactic Sabretooth did and did better doing so. Sabretooth fought dirty, which your ignoring and focusing on Walter cheated but it somehow is ok for Sabretooth? Hmmm...I'm biased?

He has tagged them with ease, and after he tagged Wolverine in the second fight he continued to tag him multiple times until Wolverine put the grub on him and freed him from the mind control.

In different areas yes Walter is better, and others they are better. That's not backpeddling as I have said the same thing pages ago 😬 Nice tactic though

Originally posted by jinzin

So once again..Sasquatches hyporole> ON PANEL FIGHTS THAT CONTRADICT HER....
?
Yeah that's logical...

What on panel fights contradict her? You talking about the first your ignoring the context of? Brilliant

Originally posted by jinzin

"Under what circumstances? You don't know that's the point".. 😐

Yes I'm calling you bias.. and yes this is silly since you don't understand why what she SAID doesn't take precedence over what she did... And what she did was FAIL.

Oh the irony

actually WRONG, the conversation with Morph she had in that issue and later shows she was distaught about having to fight her husband. The conversations gave context later on and it was SHOWN and STATED it was emotionally hard for her.

Originally posted by jinzin

When there isn't ONE PANEL of the fight to draw context from, when the next fight we actually SEE her have with Wolverine she's losing? Yes, let's ignore hyporbole..

Isn't one-panel? We see how the fight ends and how she is holding Wolverine's dead body, and quotes and talks confirm it was her and confirmed she believed she could do it again. So if she could do it again, that shows she didn't have help

Originally posted by jinzin

You're gonna go down! And you're gonna stay down! And you have no idea how sorry I am!

Yes. She tried to kill him. Maybe you should reread the comic, WITHOUT your Sasquatch blinders.

That doesn't mean she was trying to kill him, that means she was holding him down literally trying to calm him and FIGHTING him is hard for her as he is her first husband and that's why it's hard for her. She even held him down and stopped attacking proving that point.

Haha no she didn't, prove she tried to kill Wolverine there. Seriously show she was trying to kill Wolverine when they first fought.

Originally posted by jinzin

About the premise of having to kill him again? Inconsequential.
About having killed him before? Inconsequential...

So yes, we'll ignore that as well since NEITHER OF THOSE HAD TO DO WITH THE FIGHT SHE ENGAGED IN AND WAS LOSING.

Wrong again she even mentioned it in that same issue and issues later it was emotionally hard for her. She was upset about having to fight her husband almost in the exact same state she had to kill him in before 😬

Originally posted by jinzin

Pretty cool and calm?
Dude, the narrative even suggests she was giving herself over to the animal at that point.. so yes enraged... You're delusions are incredible.

What did the narrative say then? Becaus she even tried talking to Wolverine, now if she was enraged you think she would keep pounding yes?

Originally posted by jinzin

We already went over this.. She was talking about her incident before, and her speculation after she didn't reference the fight they had.

No it's not speculation as Morph and her talk about is issues later and she says it was emotionally hard for her 😬

You can reply to the above post, but that's it for me as were not going to change either's opinions and well just leave it at that.

Anbody have the scans from the Creed/Saquatch fight? It's been awhile.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Lulz so you think Sasquatch is only ABIT stronger then Rogue? Also he really didn't he even was on the ground, and don't say he was smiling that makes it ok. As even when MMA fighters get hit and smile it means they have been hurt.

How in the WORLD did you conclude that my assertion that he shrugged off Sasquatches hits means I think he's only a bit stronger than Rogue? No, he's a few times stronger than her, but Sabretooth would shrug his blows off nonetheless. I don't see how you would even begin to think that this is contestable... I mean on one hand there's regular Sabretooth before Weapon X standing up to Rogue's punches, Warbird smacking him with a steel girder, and even took blows from Killpower (a guy who stalemated Herc in arm wrestling) without much effect.
Then you look at Wolverine who has a long running history of doing just that and standing up to brick shots and he's basically Sabretooth-lite.

Basically take Wolverine, up his natural durability a few times over increasing the sinew of his muscles, and add a notch or two to his healing factor and you get Sabretooth.. There should really be no question that he'd stand up to Sasquatches hits.. and that's ignoring the fact that he already has.. And yes he was on the ground, cause he was strewn there. He got right back up. He wasn't the worse for wear so I fail to see how he WOULDN'T be able to take Sasquatches hits. 😬

Originally posted by -K-M-
Wrecking Crew has always been a threat to Thor and Herc as shown, and MK did take Wolverine's claws as shown (even later it showed no damage to his armor), and where did I say Sasquatch > world as there are many MANY MANY threads where I have said Walter loses. There are many many many people Walter would lose to, but when I say he beats Sabretooth when even the majority of the thread agrees that somehow means I think Walter can take the world? So you can't counter that point so you try to attack my credibility?

Which is why MK let out an YARRRG with red running down Logan's claws? It was an inconsistent artistic flub nothing more.

That last comment was an exaggeration simply because you DO talk Sasquatch up a bit, no need to get so hurt about it.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Your telling me jumping at someone and missing proves all that? I guess Trickster is faster then the Flash after all or Iron Fist and Sentry. It's not even an exchange, it was a slash against Walter when he couldn't even alter his direction in mid-flight. Like are you serious?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Ignored? I didn't even mention how Sabretooth fought dirty or how he attacked him from beind.

Originally posted by -K-M-
As I mentioned I left it vague as those tactics could be repeated, but apparently in your mind Walter's dirty tactic is the end of the world, but say nothing about Sabretooth. Walter used his smarts

Look, if Sasquatch won because he cheated than physical factors weren't the only things that played a part in the fight.... Therefore you can't say that Starscream's assertion that Sabretooth would win based on his physical advantages don't mean anything because Sasquatch gained an advantage in the only fight had while ignoring how he got that advantage.... It's pretty simple.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Do you seriously need things spelled out for you? Mauvais ALREADY had the barrier blocking the Gods, Mauvais made the barrier stronger which made Snowbird weaker FURTHER. So with the barrier already up and running and blocking Snowbird's people you seriously believe she wasn't affected? Even though she says, "The connection to my people FURTHER weakened..as..am..I" saying she is being furthered weakened

Again, Sasquatches excuse would be what?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Correct, because Sasquatch has gotten the slip over Wolverine before and Walter pulled the same tactic Sabretooth did and did better doing so. Sabretooth fought dirty, which your ignoring and focusing on Walter cheated but it somehow is ok for Sabretooth? Hmmm...I'm biased?

Sasquatch getting the drop on Wolverine doesn't mean Sasquatch>Wolverine.. it means he got the drop on Wolverine...
And more effective? Excuse me, maybe back in the 70's.... The last time Sas got the drop on Logan all he got out of him was a "Hi Walt."

And no one is saying it's okay for Sabes to get the drop on characters but not for Sasquatch to cheat that's just more of your jumping the gun on making wildly inaccurate conclusions on what's being discussed here.. On the other hand you don't see people pulling out evidence of cheating to establish points regarding legitimate fights do you.

Using your logic we can just as easily say:
The fight with Sabretooth and Sasquatch was inconclusive.
Sasquatch lost to Wendigo.
Wendigo lost to Sabretooth.

So yes, you ARE bias when you're arguing that Sasquatch> Wolverine and Sabes using cheating as evidence of it WHILE suggesting that the Wendigo Sabes fought was a weaker version even though he "beat" Sasquatch Mungi style.

Originally posted by -K-M-
He has tagged them with ease, and after he tagged Wolverine in the second fight he continued to tag him multiple times until Wolverine put the grub on him and freed him from the mind control.

With ease? Yeah after chucking snow at Creeds face, or hitting Logan from behind.... 🙄

Just more bias nonsense. He was able to keep hitting Logan the second time because he started off the encounter by punching him in the head from behind and sending him flying through several solid structures then pouncing on Logan before he could get to his feet... And all he got out of Wolverine was wise-ass remarks, as if Logan was taking it seriously.

Originally posted by -K-M-
In different areas yes Walter is better, and others they are better. That's not backpeddling as I have said the same thing pages ago 😬 Nice tactic though

Originally posted by -K-M-
What on panel fights contradict her? You talking about the first your ignoring the context of? Brilliant

Originally posted by -K-M-
Oh the irony
actually WRONG, the conversation with Morph she had in that issue and later shows she was distaught about having to fight her husband. The conversations gave context later on and it was SHOWN and STATED it was emotionally hard for her.

The fight she had with Weapon X where she gave herself over to the animal, and tried to kill him then lost? NO.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Isn't one-panel? We see how the fight ends and how she is holding Wolverine's dead body, and quotes and talks confirm it was her and confirmed she believed she could do it again. So if she could do it again, that shows she didn't have help

How did she get to that point?
"You don't know. That's the point."

Originally posted by -K-M-
That doesn't mean she was trying to kill him, that means she was holding him down literally trying to calm him and FIGHTING him is hard for her as he is her first husband and that's why it's hard for her. She even held him down and stopped attacking proving that point.

ridiculous.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Haha no she didn't, prove she tried to kill Wolverine there. Seriously show she was trying to kill Wolverine when they first fought.

"Yeah she'd be really REALLY sorry about having to hold Wolverine down huh? 🙄

ridiculous. "

Originally posted by -K-M-
Wrong again she even mentioned it in that same issue and issues later it was emotionally hard for her. She was upset about having to fight her husband almost in the exact same state she had to kill him in before 😬

Originally posted by -K-M-
What did the narrative say then? Becaus she even tried talking to Wolverine, now if she was enraged you think she would keep pounding yes?

Originally posted by -K-M-
No it's not speculation as Morph and her talk about is issues later and she says it was emotionally hard for her 😬

Originally posted by -K-M-
You can reply to the above post, but that's it for me as were not going to change either's opinions and well just leave it at that.