Originally posted by Pezmerga
I like your sarcasm, but it all seriousness this isn't far from the truth for most people. That's why wealth redistribution is stupid and unfair. Most people don't know how to handle money responsibly. Which is why we are in this mess.
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I thought at first, people would mistake the sarcasm for bittersweet joy.
Unfotrunately, my values won't let me steal from someone else so I can buy shit. However, that home theater system sounds(pun?) nice... hmm
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
The implication is that third parties do make a difference.So...I don't know what that rant is about, ofcourse third parties should run...where did I say they didn't?
You drew a huge amount of water from a well that only contained "Nader- 2000"... do you always try and force views onto people so that you can then debate with them something which they don't believe?
(Oh and btw the ruling Labour party was the third party for a long time)
My entire post was under the assumption that the Nader-2000 was implied to mean he was a spoiler. If that's not what you meant, then ignore the 'rant.' I wasn't forcing anything on anyone.
It seems the now famous Joe The Plumber isn't even registered to vote.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/The_Joe_file.html#comments
I got that email an hour ago, which clearly makes me a better American. But!, it is kind of sad that he swallowed up so much time on the national stage. McCain for distration: +1, Obama for trying to get the discussion back on track: -1. Mr. McCain clearly "performed" better in this debate. As for what he actually said, Mr. Obama won.
I think Obama won in a way for staying cool but McCain deserves a lot of points for the snarkiest line of all the debates:
"Senator Obama, I am not George Bush. If you wanted to run against George Bush you should have run four years ago." I literally laughed out loud at that.
I still think the debates overall were kind of dry and really didn't address as much as they should though this was the best one.
The Al Smith dinner was very entertaining though. I thought McCain was funnier. I never realized he had such a good sense of humor before. I guess all the grump old man stuff did get to me.
Exactly. Sadly, there are a lot of people who don't want a negro to be president. If I can, I'd like to hinge my bets on this election on one state for the bets to be paid on this election. Which state that is, I'm not sure about yet. I'm guessing 27? to 26? in this election, either way; talking heads be damned. The more I travel this country, the less I see it being a huge victory for Mr. Obama.
Why was there a Star of David on the effigy's head? 😖
Out of curiosity and to play the Devil's Advocate is it racist and sexist to vote for McCain because you want a white person and a man to be President?
As I'm taking it that no one particularly thinks it's racist to vote for Obama because you want a black man to be President, nor sexist if you voted Hillary Clinton if you wanted a woman to be President.
Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
I think Obama won in a way for staying cool but McCain deserves a lot of points for the snarkiest line of all the debates:
"Senator Obama, I am not George Bush. If you wanted to run against George Bush you should have run four years ago." I literally laughed out loud at that.I still think the debates overall were kind of dry and really didn't address as much as they should though this was the best one.
The Al Smith dinner was very entertaining though. I thought McCain was funnier. I never realized he had such a good sense of humor before. I guess all the grump old man stuff did get to me.
I think Obama was funnier, and I still really despise McCain. Nothing I've seen from him has impressed me in the least.
Obama FTW
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Why was there a Star of David on the effigy's head? 😖Out of curiosity and to play the Devil's Advocate is it racist and sexist to vote for McCain because you want a white person and a man to be President?
As I'm taking it that no one particularly thinks it's racist to vote for Obama because you want a black man to be President, nor sexist if you voted Hillary Clinton if you wanted a woman to be President.
Kidrock does, and to an extent he's right. But I don't think the two are totally comparable.
Where as the black people that are voting for Obama FOR his race, they're not voting against McCain cuz he's white, they're not "oh I can't vote for a white guy" as most have voted for a white guy in the past. Where as the white people voting for McCain are voting AGAINST Obama, they're not enthused about McCain, they just will refuse to vote for a black person.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Out of curiosity and to play the Devil's Advocate is it racist and sexist to vote for McCain because you want a white person and a man to be President?
Yes.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
As I'm taking it that no one particularly thinks it's racist to vote for Obama because you want a black man to be President, nor sexist if you voted Hillary Clinton if you wanted a woman to be President.
I think that would have been racist and sexist, too.
Though I guess for either you could make an argument that you don't vote for them out of racism and sexism, but out of a desire to keep the status quo or finally get some change. Still...sounds like a euphemism for "I don't want that ****** there."
Originally posted by BackFireI'm sure the two aren't particularly comparable. As the situation has never really arisen before and it's "standard" for there simply to be two white men running as options.
Kidrock does, and to an extent he's right. But I don't think the two are totally comparable.Where as the black people that are voting for Obama FOR his race, they're not voting against McCain cuz he's white, they're not "oh I can't vote for a white guy" as most have voted for a white guy in the past. Where as the white people voting for McCain are voting AGAINST Obama, they're not enthused about McCain, they just will refuse to vote for a black person.
I was simply looking to see if there's any possible analogy. If for example a white man votes for McCain because "He's a white man like me and I can identify with him better." is it technically any better or worse than if a black man votes for Obama because "He's black man like me and I can identify with him better." Or for example, "She's a woman like me and I can identify with her better."
It just seems like only the first is considered racism and/or sexism while the latter permutations are simply deemed "identity politics."
I would really consider voting based on race, in any form for or against, as some form of racism - although one is obviously more detrimental than the other. Frankly anyone voting based on the level of melanin in someone's skin is an idiot.
Originally posted by Devil King
Exactly. Sadly, there are a lot of people who don't want a negro to be president. If I can, I'd like to hinge my bets on this election on one state for the bets to be paid on this election. Which state that is, I'm not sure about yet. I'm guessing 27? to 26? in this election, either way; talking heads be damned. The more I travel this country, the less I see it being a huge victory for Mr. Obama.
Yep, said it previously, this is going to be a very close race, polls be damned.